One unhappy little baker (re bread tin consumes)

[Sanna]

Yes, it's 2 am, and yes, there's a good possibility that this isn't going to come out coherently the first time, but I will say this.


Bread Tins need to be STACKABLE, or else the possibility of loss-on-failure needs to be REMOVED.

Here is why:

-- The ONLY thing I see Bread Tins used for is....... making bread. One Clump of Dough, one BT. Combine. Hope for Bread. Only one recipie.

-- If the Bread combine fails, there is a small chance that the Bread will be burnt and the BT will be lost. No other baking item (Pot, Pie Tin, Muffin Tin, etc) sports this 'feature', this possibility for loss.

-- Yes, the Heavy Pie Crock is consumed upon combine. However, this is a consistant thing, and HPC are stackable.

-- Small personal peeve, not necessarily for significant include in arguement: to make a BT is a difficult thing to do for a multi-tradeskiller who can freqently count her free bank AND inventory slots on the fingers of one hand. Water + 2 Small Ore = Metal Bits; store. Small Clay + Ceramic Lining Sketch + Water = Unfired CL, + Quality FS = CL; store. MB + CL + BT mold + Water = BT, I hope. Store it. Right now, I'm so paranoid that I'm taking up 6 precious slots with BTs.

-- The whole point of the spit is so someone can take a portable oven with them into the 'wild', plus a small amount of preperatory materials, and make food on the fly. If you're out there with one BT, and it dies.... where are you?? Stinking Outta Luck, till you go to Freeport or Jaggedpine or Kelethin (the only places really available to a Sullon Good with no expansions) and go through the train of combines to get a new one.

-- And, even within the context of the game, what is a BT, anyway? A flat sheet of metel upon which I bake a clump of dough over a fire in my gorgeous portable spit (when's the last time I've said I love my spit?) until it turns into a pretty Loaf of Bread. Why in the name of Tunare is a mere Bread Tin not stackable in the first place?

-- Also, within the context of the game, say you are out in the wild, making bread on your spit... if your BT dies because of one mere Loaf of Bread, how large and sturdy was it to begin with? I can understand a Pot not stacking; they are kind of large. The Pie and Muffin Tins I don't quite understand (seems rather stackable to me...), but I can accept them not stacking, as there is not this fear of loss. But a measley little BT that can die and doesn't stack.... this is the incongruity.



CONCLUSION:

Either make the Bread Tins stackable, thus acknowledging their quasi-pitiful I-Might-Die condition, or justify their un-stackability, and make them stronger and able to withstand a failed combine and the dreaded Burnt Loaf of Bread.



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Now, having said all that...

How does Verant receive feedback? Do I have a snowball's chance in the Oasis of Marr of being heard, much less acknowledged? If I started a petition at one of those online places, will I/'we' be shunned, or heeded? Would anyone sign it anyway? ^_^

C'mon, fellow bakers... band together. If it weren't 2:30 am, I could probably come up with some half-baked witty comment/pun to insert here... oh, I just did, didn't I.

[Faymar]

*grin* Well said!

There is a feedback form on the EQ live site for the Developers Corner at http://eqlive.station.sony.com/community/dev_view.jsp which I think is your best bet for getting your feelings on this to SOE.

Good luck!

[Cigarskunk]

Why not just buy a few stacks of ready made bread from the merchants ahead of time?

I'm all for being mr master chef and doing as much from scratch as I can in RL (actually, I'm not - I suck at cooking in RL - my characters eat better than I do) but I don't take any less pride in my Hero Sandwhich because the bread was merchant bought and not home made, plus, there's no in game benefit other than being able to say that you wasted more time and resources then the guy who bought his bread off of the merchant.

Besides, if you're doing all of this in the field, for the same two slots that it would take to carry a stack of dough and a bread tin which will only give you 20 breads, you can carry two stacks of bread which will give you 40 breads, no chance of failing any and no chance of losing your bread tin and not being able to make more.

[Sanna]

kill [animal], loot egg, use milk and flour to make into bread.

yes, three storage slots to have a chance to make 1 bread when a stack of bread takes one slot. but it's the principle of the thing. the concept of a dying bread tin is incongruous with the facts around it.

that, and i'm angry about losing two BT within three combines of each other. heh.

[Cigarskunk]

yes, three storage slots to have a chance to make 1 bread when a stack of bread takes one slot. but it's the principle of the thing. the concept of a dying bread tin is incongruous with the facts around it.

Well, look at it this way.

Even a bread tin that's meant to be re-usable isn't all that durable a container and I've witnessed first hand how cooks that are a heck of alot more proficient then myself have managed to destroy pots, pans, cake and muffin tins (non-disposable) and the like in the kitchen.

Mind you also if you're looking for realism that you are trying to bake bread over an open fire with an essentially uncontrolled temperature - just about anything and everything can go wrong and when it does, it's not going to be something as simple as the bread not working out for you.

Come to the dark side of the bread, buy it pre-made from the store, no-one will ever know the difference, it's just like mom use to bake, it'll make yah feel good.

[Faymar]

Bah, if you are a bread maker, then the argument of "why are you bothering" doesn't hold true. Why bake at all? Pies and picnics are cheaper in the bazaar. :P

If you want to make bread, then losing durable tin every time your bread burns just doesn't make sense. A risk, like spilling your beer whilst fishing, I'll accept. But burnt crumbs do not a spoilt tin make!

[Lamoeb]

Loss of the bread tin is a design relic of the early game. When EQ was released there was famine due to a grain plague in the Karanas. Thanks to that the vendor's bread supply was limited and there were some quests requiring players to make muffins and such for positive faction.

The famine was also a motivator for players to get out there and hunt. Chunks of meat were real loot for new characters who only got 5 pieces of bread and 5 bottles of milk at creation.

Verant didn't want players working around the famine plot device, so they programmed a chance of the bread tin getting destroyed during baking.

The famine is over now thanks to a GM event across all the servers cleansing the Karanas of the plague. The bread tin problem remains though.

[Serenya]

Actually, the plague was a world changing event, occuring if I remember the timing correctly between the Velious and Luclin expansions.

[kiztent]

Actually, the plague was a world changing event, occuring if I remember the timing correctly between the Velious and Luclin expansions.

It was early Velious, and bread tins were ruined before the plague.

I made bread tins, made my own bread, lost it, decided that it was stupid, and buy my own bread.