Change to Lore text of BBC

[Aldier]

I want to start with a disclaimer. I have nothing against Lazorous or Ngreth.

The change to this one item I feel does not properly reflect the work that so many took the time and effort to produce the result to the point that only one person should be given the credit for. Nothing was done for the challenge items for the people who discovered them. This recipe took months of work from the baking community on these boards and countless trial and error combines and permutations to finally reach the solution. As a person who was working on the project from the beginning, from the end parts of Beta til completion, it is somewhat insulting that someone else is receiving all the credit for the hardwork I did. That is my personal view of it. I understand in the past, some items were adjusted that were monumental tradeskill accomplishments but that one spanned across multiple disciplines. This item was a baking item. I appreciate Lazorous coming to the boards once he discovered the recipe but I do not feel the praise he is getting as "solver of the challenge, first to make" accurately reflects the work of so many others here.

[Ysall]

I appreciate this was indeed a team effort, but unfortunately, lore has only so much space, and if only one person is going to get the privildge of having lore named after them, then being the first person to make seems the best you can do in the circumstances.

Same happened with the cabbage earing. That was a team effort too, but it was Xanthe who made the first, and gave her name to the earing.

To be honest, I just think its kinda cool the tradeskiller community gets any recognition period, and I don't care who gets it. And if you do want credit, then go to EQPlayers, and look under items. That shows you who the first discoverer of each item in the BC recipie was, and who made the server firsts. If you need the warm glowy feeling of having been there first, either accross all servers, or on a server by basis, then you can go get your fix there (although for some reason the BC is not showing up at the moment, only the subcombine ingrediants).

If it helps soothe your ego, you will find youself listed as the first on your server for making Bristlebane Challenge Sauces and Vegetables (Velera was the cross-server first for both, nice work Velera).

[Maevenniia]

If you read in this thread Hidden Baking Recipe... you will see that some EQTC posters actually suggested that Lazorus should get some sort of credit in the lore text

(edit: his discovery is post 461 in the thread, around post 483 people started saying he should be recognized somehow, and they all worked just as hard as anyone else on solving the mystery of the sandwich....)

[Aldier]

1 person suggested it be named for him. 2 people suggested board titles be awarded for him. 2 suggested lore text be changed to honor him.

I am 1 person now saying that I disagree with that change. I do not feel he should be singled out as a better baker or given special recognition outside of what has already been given to him.

[Maevenniia]

You are entitled to feel that way, certainly. Personally, I don't.

But there is precedent for this, in a way.

The Earring of the Solstice quest was something everyone was working on, but Xanthe was the first to solve and make one, and turn it in for the druid reward, and the druid earring was named after her.

[solithan]

I think its awsome Lazorous got credit.
Pays to be fast and first.

[Kahmon]

I think its awsome Lazorous got credit.
Pays to be fast and first.

I agree. Lots of us had major or minor roles in solving this, but nobody else thought of Coldain Pickles.

[Aldier]

I have said what I have to say, the fact that the responses I get are in no way addressing the concern I have brought forth or reflect a lack of ability to read that which I have already posted, then I am done with this thread.

I stated my opinion. It may not be popular, but I am entitled to it. I am not asking that everyone who contributed be given credit for it in game in any form. I am asking that the baking community be recognized here where the bakers congregate and that in game messages reflect such an effort of everyone and not glorify 1 person in the process, not me, not Laz, not anyone. It is a baker's success. As you stated, you can read in the thread and see who was the first to discover it.

[Lillanu]

I have said what I have to say, the fact that the responses I get are in no way addressing the concern I have brought forth or reflect a lack of ability to read that which I have already posted, then I am done with this thread.

I stated my opinion. It may not be popular, but I am entitled to it. I am not asking that everyone who contributed be given credit for it in game in any form. I am asking that the baking community be recognized here where the bakers congregate and that in game messages reflect such an effort of everyone and not glorify 1 person in the process, not me, not Laz, not anyone. It is a baker's success. As you stated, you can read in the thread and see who was the first to discover it.

If you want something to change, it's always good to state an alternative. Also, if 10 people think Lazorous should get credit, and one person doesn't... I highly doubt SOE(Ngreth?) would change it.

[Aldier]

if 10 people think Lazorous should get credit, and one person doesn't... I highly doubt SOE(Ngreth?) would change it.

Please learn to count and then we can talk. I would set up a poll if I could, but as it stands, it is 5 vs 1.

[Ysall]

Around 5 people posted here, and 5 on the original thread (albeit with some duplicates like me), hence the figure of around 10. Need to be careful that in a climate of 'well dones' and 'good on yous' that seems to be the general consensus, you don't come across as jealous and mean spirited, as I'm sure thats not the intention you wish to convey.

[KyrosKrane]

Elisha Gray would have been known to us as the inventor of the telephone if Alexander Graham Bell hadn't got to the patent office one hour before him.

Lazorous was the first person to actually make the BBC, regardless of the many people who helped along the way. Bell had help from many people along the way too, as well as competitors actively working on similar technology. The fact remains, though, Bell was first, and he gets the credit. Lazorous was the first, and he likewise deserves the credit. That's not to say that others didn't help. It's not to say that he was the first for each step of the BBC. He was simply the first person to figure out the final combine.

[Aetemius]

I, for one, am glad to see Laz in the lore text. He had the choice not to post his discovery, but he did. He had the choice not to answer my tells when we were farming around EQ for recipe components, but he did. He was extremely helpful to me when I peppered him with questions the day after he posted.

Having a URL in the lore text for an item just seems a little dull (unless you have a better idea?), besides the fact it really affects the overall lore of the game.

[Maevenniia]

Hey folks - this is a timely reminder for everyone, and not directed at any one individual.

By choosing to voice one's opinion on a message board each of us is inviting others to reply with theirs. We are an open forum, not a microphone.

So don't get testy if someone disagrees with you, just take it in stride and move on.

Also, please try not to pass judgement on someone just because you disagree with their opinion.

Thank you, and now back to your regularly scheduled tradeskill goodness.