A Small Bottle of Soy Sauce

[Trogdor]

It looks like the devs have heard our cries... but Absor's response is not very encouraging (for the very near future at least):

Absor responds:

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Tullaian_Inny wrote:
Looked around for it today after the patch and tried some combines again and still no bottle of soy sauce. Can a dev please post about this item. I've /bug'd and petitioned about it several times and the gms still give me the form letter about how to use the bug command even when told in the petition that I have already bug'd it and that I don't want the form letter.
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Not until after the expansion launches. Right now that's my priority. I'll try to figure out what the original designer of those quests had in mind for the soy sauce and make some sort of fix after launch.

A

It looks like we're at least a month away from any new info on the Chef Chowderly quest.

On the other hand, at least they're aware of the problem and committed to looking into it! Thanks Absor.

[Trogdor]

I re-read that this afternoon and wasn't sure if Absor meant that he had or had not looked into it yet so I went to the HoC chat tonight for clarification:

[21:12] Brekkee: *TrogdorOfXev* Absor, your post from yesterday about A Small Bottle of Soy Sauce is a bit confusing. Did you mean that you have confirmed it's actually bugged or not in the game? Or did you mean that you won't be able to look into it at all (i.e. whether it drops/exists/can be made) until after the expansion is released? Either way, thanks for looking out for the tradeskillers!! We need all the help we can get! =)
[21:13] AbsorEQ: I didn't mean to be confusing. The answer is: I haven't looked into it at all, but I will shortly after we ship DoD. So I don't know if it's bugged or not, but I'm willing to bet that it is.

So, my mind is now at ease. I will definitely stop thinking about this quest for a few weeks (maybe).

[MiiruX]

soy sauce

I re-read that this afternoon and wasn't sure if Absor meant that he had or had not looked into it yet so I went to the HoC chat tonight for clarification:



So, my mind is now at ease. I will definitely stop thinking about this quest for a few weeks (maybe).

Thank you for the post.. makes me feel better to know that they are reading and paying attention to our cries for help I can now stop bugging everyone I know about if they found any soy sauce!

[Tullaian]

I actually Pm'd absor on the eqlive boards about this issue. The post from someone on the eqlive thread saying the devs were aware of this problem was completely false as absor told me it was the first he had hear of it.

[Kahmon]

[21:13] AbsorEQ: I didn't mean to be confusing. The answer is: I haven't looked into it at all, but I will shortly after we ship DoD. So I don't know if it's bugged or not, but I'm willing to bet that it is.

Yay. More hastily released, unfinished & bugged products being released before old material is fixed.

I wish SoE would cut down to 1 expansion per year instead of 2 and actually put out a quality product FOR ONCE!

[tsbaity]

[21:13]I wish SoE would cut down to 1 expansion per year instead of 2 and actually put out a quality product FOR ONCE!

So you aren't going to buy the expansion, right? If there weren't a market for expansions, they wouldn't be released as often.

[Trogdor]

Yay. More hastily released, unfinished & bugged products being released before old material is fixed.

In the (current) dev team's defense, this is very old content and was not even created on their watch. The person responsible for BiC and Chef Chowderly is no longer with the development team. This all kind of fell into other peoples' laps.

To their credit, they finally fixed the problem that made it unstartable and they are committed to seeing it through to completion (as evidenced by Absor's remarks). The timing of finding the bug was just bad.

Maybe I'm a little jaded after all these years but the dev team keeps a huge world up and running with very few people. On top of that, they manage to add new stuff to keep us busy. If you want to be mad at people, send angry letters to the higher ups in SoE who control staffing and budget for EQLive -- yelling at the devs won't give them anymore resources to work with.

Also, I think they do a pretty darn good job of communicating with the community these days -- it's approximately 80.367 bajillion times better than it was in days past and it's on par or above most other online games I've played. You just have to make an effort to come up with constructive thought and to seek out appropriate outlets for it -- the devs are not mind readers and can't work without your feedback!

(Aside: Sorry, that was a bit of a personal rant from someone who's in a similar position as a software developer. The two things that frustrate us more than anything are lack of resources/management support to address customer problems and customers who like to whine, whine, whine but never offer constructive feedback to help resolve issues.)

[Baltazor Goldsinger]

Really nice post Trogdor, thanks for reminding us of the developer's situation and the circumstances around the quest that's broken. It helps to keep things in perspective and points out the need for and the value of good communication. (WOW... where would we all be without EQTrader's Corner???)

Wouldn't it be nice though if there was someone from SoE that "knew things" that could have his own forum here or even "sticky" thread under General Tradeskills where he could communicate with the community from time to time?

Think of all the frustration etc there's been around the "missing ingredient" and how it all could of been resolved by a simple ... "what soy sauce"?

[Kahmon]

So you aren't going to buy the expansion, right? If there weren't a market for expansions, they wouldn't be released as often.

Of course I'll buy the expansion despite it being full of bugs, but when I decide to buy a TV or a sterio or any other electronics equipment it sure won't be from Sony.

Yes they will sell lots of copies of the expansion, but their poor quality is part of why EQs player base is deminishing. People are flocking to other games with higher quility where they are not continuously falling further and further behind.

The two things that frustrate us more than anything are lack of resources/management support to address customer problems and customers who like to whine, whine, whine but never offer constructive feedback to help resolve issues.)

I offered a solution. I suggested cutting down on the expansion rate so that they would have more time to put out a solid product.

[Maevenniia]

Closing the thread, it has veered off topic and into debate of non Tradeskill issues.