what is considered a hmp flood?

[drael]

I have 2 accounts mostly to run a trader constantly. Because I make enough money on my hmp to buy armor, I keep a stock on my trader. The prices before I acquired the skill were 5p each. Every now and then someone prices em for 4p 9g 9s 9c, lol but not too often. I price my pies at 5p each and just wait the undercutters out.
How many stacks is considered a flood? There are 2 of us traders that tend to have 150 plus pies on us. I cook 4 or more trader satchels full at one time and stash the rest in my trader's bank. The one time I was in a rush and left over 500 pies on my trader, an uber guild dropped by and bought me out. They left a nice message about their raid and asked if I could make picnics and other things in bulk.
So....what is a flood? Was that massive sale a fluke? If I leave 400 plus pies on my trader but leave price at the norm - is that still flooding?

Thanks, lol

[Cigarskunk]

Most folks consider it a flood when you've got a large number of items at well below market average.

For example - let's say that you had your 500 HMP at just 3pp each when the server norm is 5pp - that would be flooding.

Is it good or bad to have a ton of items at normal price - yes and no.

Yes in that it makes you *the* person to buy from because you obviously are the pro.

Yes because it will intimidate others who might be under the delusion that dumping is a good idea.

No because it may cause folks to wait for you to get impatient and drop your price.

No because it might cause the under cutters to try to bait you into price warring them so they can score alot of goods cheap.

There are a dozen pros and a dozen cons - none are any more right than the other.

Just don't trash your market.

[Phirelight]

How did HMP become 2 & 3 pp on Karana??? Do you all think that is a fair price for the amount of combines it takes to make these dreaded things?

[Bennan]

Baking like Brewing, is subject to what I call skill dumpers... That being, players who will use a stat food recipie to skill up on, so they can do a quest or something with it (the skill). And just want to dump the leftovers to break even, or a little profit.

Halas Meat Pies are a good example, they will take you up to umm 226 ? So a player can fillet and cream up to triv (143 and 152) then take all that and make HMP's.....

I see traders with 1k in Grobb Liquidised Meat, or Qeynos Afternoon Tea and Halas Meat pies every now and then.

Thats my theory anyways...

Its not good or bad imo, just one of those trader earthquakes

[drael]

Torv has been blitzed by one peep who prices his/her pie at 3p and his picnics at 10 or lower, sigh. I just parked my baker alt and am letting the hog get a pile of cash. Am hoping they move on. The large numbers being turned out in a matter of a few hours has me wondering how the his alt's are managing it. I know how long it takes me to make 3 traders sacks of halas pie (or picnics) with the control, click and book on tape method, lol.

[n0id]

I sell at 5p

I usualy make the 3 satchel full thing as well...takes me close to 2-3hrs if i already have the ingredients to make em (wolf/mamoth meat, and eggs for dough)

Prexus has the 5p - 3p stuff as well...but most of the 3p are around 100pies or less...4p has around 200-300...and then theres me with over 1k in my alt trader at 5p

I just wait em out for a few days and they go away, and i make huge profits

And while the undercutters are getting their sales and im not selling...im maknig more

It doesnt bother me to wait 2 or 3 days to sell at 5p a stack...thats an extra 40p per stack than if i sold at 3p....and i usually sell out when im the only trader selling

[Eumerin]

3 satchels full?
Ugh.
Don't know where I'd find the space. I started HMPs at the end of last week, and barely had enough room for a couple of stacks. Too many components involved.

[n0id]

yea

it takes a good 4-5 10slot bags empty to do em....somteims i have to do combines from my bank bags...just get a system down and that will save on space too instead of having everything thrown together. Im also a neat freak, and never use the "auto equip / auto stack section of my inventory...i always manually put things wher ei want them, in the bags i want them in. Quick access that way

My system:

5 stacks of filet wolf
5 stacks of filet mammoth
5 stacks of filet bear
5 stacks of filet lion

Make enough cream to make enough creamy fennel sauce...( i always mess this one up and end up with more than i need...but i just reuse that stuff next time...so base it off trial and error)

Then do the 20 stacks with your fennel sauce to make your filet in sauce meats.

Then make 2 10 slots bags ful of dough.

Go buy your sage leaf's

Combine

Once you trial and error enough times, you lessen the amount of "running" time to go back and fix something...i also always have an extra stack of meat (bear/lion/mammoth/wolf) in a spare bag for the off chances of failures, and use the extra cream to make more fennel sauce (see why i never caculate, and make extra....it gets used hehe)

[Eumerin]

Problem, I suppose, is that I've got three or four different tradeskills I'm working on, two or three different kits that are constantly in storage (resist gear, tradeskill gear, etc...).
I simply don't have the space to devote to HMPs that you apparently do.

[Cigarskunk]

The problem with the pies is that do to the low trivial, you get alot - FAST. At 191 skill, I was doing around 40% or so - with six per success, I had a full bp in no time.

[Moraganth]

The space problem is easy to solve... that's what your friends mules are for...

[Jaya]

Another solution to space issues: corpses.

when I want to bake, I suicide off the elevator in PoK, get a res, leave the corpse on the bed behind the ovens, buy seven sewing kits and a mixing bowl, and go to work. When I'm done, I put all the results that I want to keep in the top bags of my inventory and jump off the elevator again.

My current corpse has a handful of vegetables, marmalade, a smoker, my geerlok, pie tin, cake round, jumjum, etc. and a lot of empty space.

If you don't mind two 96% resses, which really isn't that much xp loss, it's a good idea. Corpses are definitely the most efficient storage method you'll find that doesn't involve access to another account.

Another thing I do: since jumjum stalks cost 5g2s and sell back to vendor for 4g8s, I buy a whole lot in Rivervale and come back and sell them to Klen Ironstove so he can hold them for me. The 4 silver storage price seems quite reasonable. Every once in a while I discover that someone else has found my cache, but...if I really cared I would go sell them to some extremely random spell vendor in the library, or one of the back iksar smithing vendors or something.

- Jaya

[Wyntrou]

Another solution to space issues: corpses.

That's just evil. I like it! :twisted:

One variation: If you die in an arena, you lose no XP at all. Get someone to kill you, and you can skip the 4% loss to a rez entirely.

[ioldar]

That's just evil. I like it! :twisted:

One variation: If you die in an arena, you lose no XP at all. Get someone to kill you, and you can skip the 4% loss to a rez entirely.

This one is even easier, DROWN :P

[Cigarskunk]

If you've got a buddy or guildy to REZ you then it's just as easy (and XP friendly) to have that same buddy/guildy simply kill you in a dual - you don't lose the 4% XP that way as long as said person remembers not to dot you.

Stocking up on items and then dumping them on a merchant is something I use as well - score a ton of jumjum and lettuce and then dump it on a merchant in my general cooking area.