Lackluster Food in GoD.

[Lilosh]

Ok, I'm a 250 baker for sometime now. Christmas of 2002.

I eat MTP, or Fish Rolls when i don't care about stats.


Since PoP, there really hasn't been a decent stat food added. Tormentor Stir Fry is AWESOME, and Justice Pies aren't bad. Some nices saves on a couple of other pieces. LoY, LDoN, and GoD are disappointing.

Those of us with high end baking skills have nothing to make. Many many skillup recipes (Not needed, since there are PLENTY of skillup recipes.


Please give me something, as a 250 baker, that I look at and can'twait to make. :-) Give it a 330+ trivial, like MTP, And I'll still be happy.

3 wisdom and 8 hitpoints isn't impressing anyone.

So your mission, my faithful Baking friends, should you chose to accept it, is to convince me that GoD baking has some draw or value for myself, the 250 baker, that I've missed. I must not be seeing what's good about the new baking.

-Lilosh

[Qutie]

I think the new baking will just be an "easier" path to skilling up for those that haven't done so yet.

The meat is found on vendors rather cheaply, you can take the boat to Abysmal and load up on all the lil extras you need.

Other than the emote of eating caesar salad and drinking lemonade.... (sighs) there really isn't a lot of point to it. Maybe (hopefully) there will be other amazing foods to make as in the Tormentor Stirfry, BPP (way yummy). But, I don't see it yet... maybe those icky gnomes are busy making new weird baking implements that will change things....

[Rewde]

Well, I don't have the expansion, so I won't be making anything either, unless someone runs and gets me the supplies I need
(something about having to be level 50)

But, my suggestion would be to just use the foraged stuff to make yourself some nice food to forcefeed.

Though the new foods aren't as good as the Justice Fruit Pies, or Picnics, (with cost permitting (cost/yield ratio)) I can see them as being used by lower level toons until they can afford to buy the better stat foods.

Just a though, though.

[Ambrya]

Re: Lackluster Food in GoD.

Originally posted by Lilosh
Ok, I'm a 250 baker for sometime now. Christmas of 2002.

I eat MTP, or Fish Rolls when i don't care about stats.


Since PoP, there really hasn't been a decent stat food added. Tormentor Stir Fry is AWESOME, and Justice Pies aren't bad. Some nices saves on a couple of other pieces. LoY, LDoN, and GoD are disappointing.

Those of us with high end baking skills have nothing to make. Many many skillup recipes (Not needed, since there are PLENTY of skillup recipes.


Please give me something, as a 250 baker, that I look at and can'twait to make. :-) Give it a 330+ trivial, like MTP, And I'll still be happy.

3 wisdom and 8 hitpoints isn't impressing anyone.

So your mission, my faithful Baking friends, should you chose to accept it, is to convince me that GoD baking has some draw or value for myself, the 250 baker, that I've missed. I must not be seeing what's good about the new baking.

-Lilosh

I dunno, I am pretty impressed with the stats. Made beer battered cragbeast and hynid steaks last night. Cragbeast had, among its other stats, +7 WIS, and Hynid had +7 AGI. Looking forward to seeing what the tuna and crab steaks have. For the price and availability of the components, I think GoD baking is really a great new addition.

Ambrya

[Froni Thunderpaws]

Good for skill up - those beer battered steaks are a lot easier than making a bunch of Halas Meat Pies. Other recipes in baking seem like they may help the skill up options without being so boring.

None of the recipes with accessible items in GoD seems like they would make anything with high demand in comparison to other things.

I doubt there is a hidden and new MTP - that is an unwieldy but easy to do recipe for a very nice stat food.

We'll see what drops in the inner zones and what recipes come with them - but like PoP most of us just aren't going to have access to the ingredients for most of the good stuff. I had to laugh when I checked the bazaar for taelosian clay component and someone was trying to sell it for 40kpp when the only thing known it can make is a subcomponent for the bolos.

So nope, so far nothing that would be highly desirable for a 250 skill baker to want to do, and much less for some of the other skills We'll see what time will tell but at least baking has new recipes - pottery has been all but skipped the last two expansions.

[Maevenniia]

There are a lot of thing I like about GoD, don’t get me wrong, but the new Baking recipes bother me. Basically, they put in x# of new meats, cooking styles/sauces, types of dishes and then gave us a recipe for almost every permutation, no matter how nonsensical (lemon-buttered “<insert meat here>” soup ?) It has a very “cookie-cutterish” feel to it…variety is nice, but this was a bit much, lol

A – Meat
(anywhere from 1-15lbs, clogs up the database and merchants’ inventories! Adds and extra step of having to prepare the meat for use in actual recipes)

Cragbeast Meat
Hynid Meat
Saltwater Crab
Saltwater Tuna

B – cooking style/Sauce
Barbequed
Beer-Battered
Beer-Braised
Buttered
Garlic-Buttered
Lemon-Buttered
Grilled
Dried
Smoked
Spiced


C – type of dish
“xxx” Meat (ex: Barbequed Crab Meat. Lemon-Buttered Tuna)
Appetizer
Cakes
Pie
Rolls
Salad
Sandwich
Souffle
Soup
Steaks
Stew
Jerky
Kabobs


Ah well, I'll still make em once in a while to have fun things to eat that are different that the usual fish rolls.

I wonder if SOE would consider making it so that some of these could be combined into a picnic or platter type of meal, with high trivial level, nice stats (although not BPP stats) so that people would be able to make a nice stat food that did not require elemental flags....

[Lilosh]

Most of ya'll are pretty much saying what I assumed.

Another "here are even MORE skillup fodder" expansion. :-(



Still waiting for decent food post-PoP,
-Lilosh

[cannyar]

i hate to say this, but "what do you expect?"

seriously, as far as stat foods go, SoE is sort of limited in what it can offer. you can't offer food items with high stats without making it difficult to create (and look how easy MTPs have gotten with the new UI). that means either many subcombines (which isn't a big deal now) or rare items, which anyone is unlikely to get. if you make it a rare forge someone who does forge it and doesn't know what it's for is just going to trash it. once they do figure out what it's for it'll be sold in the bazaar for a few k pp. can you see paying 5k pp for one ingredient of an "uber" stat food? no. can you see asking your friends/guild to go raid some hard monster to get an ingredient because you want to make a "holy twinky" that has +5 to all stats? no. not to mention the fact that one day you're likely to consume the item and have to start all over again? you don't have this problem with smithed, tailored, JCed items.

SoE has sort of painted themselves in a corner when it comes to creating new ideas for food and drink. new items are going to have a new name and a pretty new icon but i doubt we'll see much stat wise. with all the things they have added they can offer us a few thousand more combinations though.

off to open up my fish 'n chips stall..

[Darknyss]

I have always considered baking to be a "character" improvement, rather than a stat improvement.

I mean, when you eat a tasty Barbequed Crab Sandwich and gulp down some Chocolate milk... it says something about who you are...

For example, my Iksar is constantly munching on Hot and Spicy Toelings (regardless of what a waste of time they are to make) simply to scare off little halflings, or as a joke to others.

yah, you can carry around one MTP and suck down rations and roots all day... but I play my character as a noble Iksar... regardless of the evil within him and his primal instincts, he would never munch on anything unless it was prepared by himself or an equally skilled chef.

Remember the days when baked goods had NO stats? Yah, I miss those too sometimes... but at least you can cook up a variety to eat while holding on to your precious Party Platter...

[Velaraa]

Make Party Platters. How much better of stats are you expecting?

[Zyrtryx Conjureblade]

I would like to complain about the tea. (Yes, I know that's Brewing, not Baking, but food and drink go together)

For the tea, you need to go forage it in the hunting zones, which is all well and good if you're a high level player with uber gear.

I want to make the tea, but I don't have a high level foraging character, and I don't have the levels or gear to go hunting in those zones. (Expansion for 50+? yeah, right!)

Question: Could I safely send my lvl 15 Druid to one of the zones using the Magus, throw up camo, and sit there just foraging for a while, or are there mobs that see through invisibility?

And can the Wheat for baking be foraged, or is it just dropped? (Ive completed the Baking quest, but not the Brewing yet)

[Auricula]

Using the Magus, you could easily get your level 15 druid to Natimbi, and I have not encountered any MOBs that see thru invisibility.

But be aware .. Natimbi has a HUGE HUGE HUGE forage table, and at level 15 and the associated foraging skill, the odds of getting the items you want anytime this week are low

I have not foraged wheat in Natimbi (only zone beside the boat I know how to find), and don't think it has a use outside of the baking quest anyway.

[Froni Thunderpaws]

The Taelosian Wheat and Taelosian Tea Leaves are NOT in the forage table - the other items you might need like mint (never foraged one yet personally), moldy tea leaves, ginseng, twigs, etc. are foraged. So you can't make any of the "special" new recipes without mob drops or a lot of luck vendor mining. (This is true of all of the recipes that use the progressive component.)

I think the forage table in Natimbi is about 50 items (30 are cragbeast or hynid meat) - and of course you never forage what you want to get. Things near the zone in don't seem to see through camo/invis but a bunch of others do like the restless souls. Not sure if the Cragbeast Queen will eat everyone at the zone in - I always zone out in fear at the sound of the roar in the distance. I would suggest fishing in Abysmal to make money and vendor mining there to look for the new components. The lower level dropped components seem to go for about 3pp on a vendor, never seen the higher level ones or for that matter the pottery or smithing components.

/cries over being a disappointed potter/baker.

[Zyrtryx Conjureblade]

Meh. Well, seeing how the new zones are mostly geared to lvl 65s with uber loot, I guess I'll have to resort to vendor mining and checking the Bazaar and seeing if there is anyone selling who isn't out of their mind.

I really want some of that tea.....

I bought some Cragbeast and Hynid Meat off one of the Alchemy vendors before I logged off this morning, but that's all the Cragbeast and Hynid Meat I've seen on vendors. Someone was selling Cragbeast Meat in the Bazaar, but wanted too much for it.

[Froni Thunderpaws]

You would have no problem foraging bags of the cragbeast and hynid meat in Natimbi as long as you are careful - and I am guessing the reason you can't find much of it on vendors is because lots of folks are destroying it. I am sure if you just ask for it foragers would be happy to give you all you could carry. 15 different weights on each type means 30 inventory slots just for meat - I convert mine to the 1lb stuff as I forage it - but fill up almost as fast because of the yield on the heavy pieces.

(Which for the tinkerers means that collapsed mixing bowls should be in very high demand now.)