MTPs and Halas... too easy now?

[Jylarien]

Now don't get me wrong, I am totally loving this new tradeskill system. The fact that I can whip up some MTPs without having to open every friggin bag in my inventory and doing 50 clicks per attempt is awesome...

But is this too easy? First of all after shopping for ingredients it is going to take 1/4 of the time to make these suckers. I wouldn't be totally suprised if this started driving down costs of MTPs and Halas pies and what not on all the servers...

I guess I am also kinda ticked at the fact of how easy it just became for people to skill up in tradeskills now. I busted my butt for my 230 and rising baking skill... and now a friend started today and dinged 150 in under an hour. I suppose I shouldn't complain too much as I am abusing the system the exact same way (0 to 160 pottery in an hour in thurg) but it kinda takes some of the prestige out of GMing something.

/2cents

[iasmin]

I thought I would be, but I'm not. I tried making both items last night using the new UI and ya know what? I'm a bit faster on my own than I am with the new UI. The pause clicking the combine button and the messing around with the recipes and stuff only delayed me. I can actually do it faster. I just don't get why all of the sudden there were 600 patty melts per person. The new UI is *not* that fast in my opinion.

[eniamn]

as a 250 baker on mtps. you can be quiet now. i make picnics for profit and for guildies. if a 4 hour run is now a 2 hour run i can sell for half as much and make as much money. i am loving this new ui. i abused it for heady kiola, wu's to 154 woot, and plan to for pottery to at least 168.

[iasmin]

Originally posted by eniamn
as a 250 baker on mtps. you can be quiet now. i make picnics for profit and for guildies.

I'm sure most people will not recognize this for the joking attitude I'm sure you intended it to be. For the record, I didn't say I didn't *like* the new interface, just that I thought I was faster.

I sure like it for combines for the final stage of halas 10s or mtps, that's for certain. Even though I think I'm faster, I suspect that for the final combines at least, I'm hideously impatient waiting for that darned combine button to refresh. My personal guess is that I'm faster on the subcombines and about equal to the final combines.

I've seen some differences in the selling of MTPs and Halas10s on Stromm already. But I'm going to wait it out and see what happens over time. Farming the ingredients will still be the stumbling block for most people, not the actual combinations, in my opinion.

[Rewde]

Waahhhhhhhh. Everybody is going to cry about something regarding the new UI. Give it a break. It is, from what I have read, a very nice addition to the game. I GMed on picnics the old way. It took a long time to do. It was time intensive, and could turn a hefty profit. Now, it is not so time intensive, and yes, more people will be doing TS as a result. Will they stick with it? Most people only do because they like doing them. I think that the new UI is a godsend, as I enjoy doing TS, but did not want to spend my entire night doing just one thing. Now, I can do some TSing, plus trying to get some EXPing in.

I can do a batch of 200 combines of picnics for about 100pp. I should get about 400 or so picnics from that run. I can sell them for 10pp a pop and try to make 3900pp. I can sell them for 5pp and make 1900pp. I can sell them for 2pp and make 700pp. Heck, I could even sell them for 5 gold and make 100pp.

The point is, it is a very over inflated price that is being charged on them. Just about everything for sale in the bazaar is that way. It always has been, it always will be. So what if they start selling for 5pp each. As long as they are selling, you are going to make a profit with them.

[eniamn]

was to poke fun but also

I busted my butt for my 230 and rising baking skill... and now a friend started today and dinged 150 in under an hour.

kind of upset me. i gmed the old way. i can see not being happy some random person you don't know has it easier than you.
my friend was skilling up baking and fletching last night. i grats him and made sure he was using the easiest skillup path. i don't wish 8 hour picnic grinding days on any freind with the old ui. this would make it much cheaper and quicker.

rewde how do you make them for 100pp? euca leave are 80pp store bought. fennel is another 40pp. mandrake is 80pp if i can't find it on vendors pre-woven. thats 200pp minimum. i agree that half the time on picncis will make me start charging half the price unless it doesn't fall. i doubt it will stay 10pp though. i make enough to try to feed my entire guild a stack each time i make them and try to make them often enough to keep everyone (but me ironically) eating picnics. they are cheap. this will make them easier. that can only be a good thing when feeding my guild.

edit i find it faster for most things. the bit of server lag in sticking items in the continers keeps me slower or the same as the ui.

why my spoon is so special to me. its this stuff that make me tradeskill. not the freebies but to avoid loot ninjas and and trolls. (the bad ones. the good ones tradeskill. )

ok further explanation. if he was upset his friend skilled up to 150 with the new ui while he went to 230 the old way i should be a lot more upset because i am 250 the old way. really though. i would grats his friend. i don't like the eletist attitude and was trying to show how rediculous it looked. it worked. i did look stupid. didn't mean to confuse people though.

[Rewde]

Well, ok, it is just sleightly more than 100pp, probably around 130ish. I refuse to buy the mandrake and weave it myself. For this reason alone, I have almost 4 bags full of woven madrake roots that I bought for very little cost. I also buy the jum jum spiced beer pre made, as it is a skill up route a lot of people seem to use. I also don't need to buy my veggies, or fruit.

I have been saving the brownie parts that I have looted also, so not the horrific cost to buy them in the bazaar.

One time, though, I was extremely lucky and found a bag worth of the mints on a vendor, that made for one healthy profit on those picnics.

[Aeryl]

Is the Combine refresh time variable, perhaps by ingredient amount or trivial level? I've had to wait no more than a second for my Combine button to refresh in the new UI for everything from brewing to baking to pottery, and it was usually ready to go a fraction of a second after I clicked Auto-Inventory. I haven't done Halas pies, but from what I've seen you're on crack if you think you're faster.

[iasmin]

Originally posted by Aeryl
Is the Combine refresh time variable, perhaps by ingredient amount or trivial level? I've had to wait no more than a second for my Combine button to refresh in the new UI for everything from brewing to baking to pottery, and it was usually ready to go a fraction of a second after I clicked Auto-Inventory. I haven't done Halas pies, but from what I've seen you're on crack if you think you're faster.

I suspect that system and connection load variables will place a noticeable difference on people's results with *SUBCOMBINES*. But I can guarantee you I'm faster on the *SUBCOMBINES*. The actual pie combine I believe I'm equal to the new UI. Think about these things...

Many things affect the time it takes to combine items or even simply play the game. Things like connection time (service provider upspeed and downspeed), system health (old and outdated? newest of everything?), and system strength (raring to go hot rod or basic Dell box? Kludged together bits from your husband's work as an IT God?).

In fact even *where* you do your combines will have an impact on how fast or slow any combine is made, new UI or not. For example, try doing combines near the Nexus bank in the Bazaar while looking at the toons in Trader mode as a Bard is casting an AoE spell. Now go do the same combine in Halas sitting on the dock.

Whether or not I'm on crack is immaterial given this simple fact: Your Mileage May Vary.

[Jaasper]

thoes of us that were maxed before this patch can puff out our chest and call ourself OLD SCHOOL. It is a scar and wear it proudly.

[Armaged]

But is this too easy? First of all after shopping for ingredients it is going to take 1/4 of the time to make these suckers. I wouldn't be totally suprised if this started driving down costs of MTPs and Halas pies and what not on all the servers...

Heh, lemme tell you.

After loading up three toons on a second account and all of their double bank space with wooden boxes and....

Doing all of the subcombines to fill every last tree hugger loving one of those boxes with the perfect MTP package and then....

One by one tradsing out said boxes while doing a skill up run....I've got one thing to say...

THANK SOLUSEK FOR THE NEW UI

[Baldaek]

2 EZ is right!

I was half expecting to have a long night of MTP/HMP/KC combines when I didn't see the recipes in my oven (or barrel) window, but OMG! the new UI has AI!!!!!

It learns! It learns!

Oh happy day! If only this came with the original packaging I wouldn't have Carpal Tunnel today /weep

[eniamn]

but you aren't getting worse. the tahnks thread is in general hehe. loving it too though. need to see what my next picnic run looks like.

[Angelsyn]

Since this hasn't gotten out of hand, I'll let it stay open...

Personally, the thing I like about the new UI is "combining on the run".

I can make Silk Threads, Patty Melts or whatever in my collapsible (insert container here) while I'm riding my horse from bank to vendor, or Book to Wayfarer camp.

Very convenient.

[Koru]

Here's the funny thing though - I'd planned my picnics and pies to sell out around the time GoD came out. Now on my server I check in bazaar and there's not nearly as many up for sale as there used to be. In fact there's less now than before the expansion. Noticably less.

Same way I planned my CE sales to run out around GoD, they didn't of course but after it came out I sold out everything I had left fast and got much more interest in more CEs than before it. Combine that with my velium temper becoming unprofitable overnight (no big though, I'll just save it for personal use) and I can't stop laughing at this insane economy.