Neg stats removed in the following effects:

[llaffer]

Compiled based on data from EQCaster:

Accuracy - no longer lose the 2-20 STA
Adroitness - no longer lose the 2-20 DEX
Aura of Antibody - no longer lose the 2-15 DEX
Aura of Cold - no longer lose 2-15 STA
Aura of Heat - no longer lose 2-15 STR
Aura of Purity - no longer lose 2-15 CHA
Cohesion- no longer lose the 2-20 AGI
Dulsehound - no longer lose 25 INT
Fungus Spores - no longer lose 20 WIS / 20 INT
Null Aura - no longer lose 2-15 AGI
Troll's Essense - no longer lose 15 INT
Power - no longer lose the 2-20 STA
Rejuvenation - no longer lose the 2-61 STR (still lose 2-61 INT and 20% attack slow)
Stability - no longer lose the 2-20 AGI
Vigor - no longer lose the 2-20 STA

That is all that it mentions -- strange that they don't have mentioned the "Greater" versions of many of these potions.

[Lanadena]

The Misc section of the patch message on EQVault confirms that most of the negative stats have been removed.

December 12, 2002 3:00 am
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** Spells **

- Fixed a number of inconsistencies with Bard song messages. Thanks to the players that submitted the comprehensive list of oddities.
- Mind Wrack should no longer overwrite Force Shield or the Wizard Epic effect.
- Splurt should now stack better with most Damage over Time spells.
- Infectious Cloud should no longer overwrite Demi-Lich.
- Despair should no longer overwrite Yaulp V.
- Several spell particle effects should appear correctly on the target now.
- Several Bard songs have had their animations corrected.
- Grim Aura should no longer overwrite the Spiritual Brawn series.
- Riftwind's Protection should no longer overwrite the Augmentation series.
- Added new particle effects to the Gnomish Firework spells.
- The Psalm series of bard songs should no longer be overwritten by Elemental Chorus or Purifying Chorus. Additionally, Psalm of Veeshan should overwrite all other lower level Psalms.
- Searing Flames' fire debuff has been reduced in power, but it should stack with most other debuffs now.
- The Malo line should no longer overwrite the druid circle series of spells.


** Items **

- Shield of the Immaculate now has a 1 second casting time.
- Anizok's Gauze Press should now summon 20 bandages regardless of your level.


** Miscellaneous **

- Aten Ha Ra now draws strength from her allies. It may be unwise to attempt to defeat her without first killing them.
- Removed most of the negative stat effects from the Shaman made potions. This should make them more useful and allow them to stack better with other magic.
- Added a few more keys to the player key ring for convenience.
- Water needed to make a Box of Souls no longer needs to be either Sacred or Holy.

[Jessikah Moonfyre]

/cheer

It's a good start!

[Murjden]

Agreed. Let's hope they do some more adjustments to alchemy soon.

[Zabu]

Alchemist in training

With the rate my Shaman is leveling in Paludal Caverns, it won't be long before I see 29. Now, with the removal of the negative stat effects of (some of the?) potions, I have a question.

Do potion effects stack?

To illustrate, let's assume that the "lesser" line of potions are included in those which have lost their negative stat effect. (If not, the scenario becomes muddier.) Could my warrior quaff one each of the six "lesser" potions, and gain the cumulative effect of +15 on each of STR/STA/DEX/AGI?

Or, would only the first potion enhancing a particular attribute be effective, thus giving a cumulative effect of only +5 to each of the stats. (In which case, it would only make sense to take these in pairs -- Stability/Accuracy, Vigor/Cohesion, or Power/Adroitness.)

Or, do the potions in the "lesser" family cancel each of those that preceded it, not stacking at all?

[sir0die]

not sure about potions stacking ontop of potions, but ido know they stack ontop of spells, item bonuses, and other buffs.


why don't you try it out and let us know if potions stack. It'll only take 2 potions to find out.

[Zabu]

why don't you try it out and let us know if potions stack. It'll only take 2 potions to find out.

I'm sure someone is going to have an answer before I reach a level at which I can make these :roll:

Just thinking, too, that if the "lessers" lose their negative stat effects, they will likely become marketable. That'll make it nice for those of us who are just getting into the biz.

[Niami DenMother]

Can someone fling me a link to their listing of what was changed? The above is unclear as to if it's only, for example "potion of stability", or if the lesser and greater weere also included in the change.

[Verdandi]

Alrighty I ran some tests today to check whether the Lesser and Greater versions were affected as well. I made one of each, the lesser, regular, and greater of Vigor. Vigor used to increase agi and str and reduce sta. I can confirm that none of the three versions reduces sta any longer.

While I was at it I did some quick stacking testing. It does stack with the individual sta buff Riotous Health (tested just in case.) More importantly it DOES stack with the individual agi buff, Deliriously Nimble. However...it does not stack with Harnessing of Spirit, presumably because of the str component. That means that it probably will not stack with Focus, which means they'll still be useless on raids.

But it's a start!!! :mrgreen:

[Jeradin]

From what I can gather from Lucy is that there is not a different spell related to lesser power/power/greater power. All are the same spell, each potion has a set level on it though.

Instead of the level of the caster effecting the stat potions stats, its the level of the potion.

Lucy info.
Power
Slot Description
3: Increase DEX by 2 (L1) to 15 (L14)
4: Increase STR by 2 (L1) to 25 (L24)

Lesser Power potion would be level 6?
Power potion would be level 11?
Greater Power would be level 25?

Atleast thats what seems to be the deal.

Stacking wise,
aye, the str conponent is not stacking with focus or HoS, it does stack with single and group str buff though.

They should really fix the str stacking issue!

[Kardyss]

Some pages still need to be updated

http://www.eqtraders.com/learn/learn_alchemy3.htm

Still lists the neg stat effects of the potions change.

I'm gonna see how well these potions sell now.

[Verdandi]

Thanks Kardyss, it's been updated

[Shandora]

I am unable to find the recipes on the list provided by this site for:

Fungus Spores
Null Aura
Troll's Essense

Unless I am just blind. Please point them out to me and what effects they grant upon casting.

Thanks,

Shan

[Lanadena]

The Null Aura and Troll's Essence potions can be found here on the EQ Trader's site.

[Gailedon]

Do we have an idea what the duration is on the greater potions? Or are they also ~30 min. Does the MR for Aura of Null stack with things like Group Magic Resistance or our own Resist Magic? I'd think that if it does they would be sellable for raids. 15 dex and MR that stacks with everything else, plus you get 5 hours worth in one 10 shot potion? I'm pretty sure that would sell with dragon raids.