Time to rebel with the Blood of Wolves

[Nwangel]

I won't even bother to make these for guildies anymore, I've seen them selling in the bazaar on TM for 55-65p for 10 stacks, and that quite frankly isn't worth my time to make.

I talked to another shaman the other night that said he'd bought out the vendor selling these for 50 plat and resold them for 100 plat, saved him time and plat :P :P If they are dumb enough to sell at this price, I say buy from em, mark em up and let the other person deal with the carpal tunnel!!

[Aandaie]

No one is going to buy the potions if they cost more.

People expect SOW from my druid for free, they don't buy the potions much now. It is supply and demand and there is not much demand.

Its sort of like illusion potions. They are selling at 140 - 645 plat (645 plat was what I saw on a vah shir one... I bet that drops, it was the only one I saw for sale) Soon people are not going to even think they are worth 140 plat, since they have limited use and are a short time novelty. if they lasted until you logged, even while zoning, THEN people would find them worth around 140 plat longterm.

The big problem with those illusion potions is they don't work for new area faction raising, or I guess no change form does. My wood elf druid was indiff to frogloks in gukta, could raise faction with the ratear/bonechip/fish quest. My troll sk and dark elf cleric were scow, but indiff in wood elf potion form. They could freely go around the city and GET quest info from hailing, shop at vendors, etc. However, when they tried to DO the quest they got something like:

"... you are dispicable, how dare you show your face here I will call the guards if you don't leave."

So one of the uses for the potions, rasing froggy faction for evils, is already dead. Its not going to be worth it to too many evils to pay 145 plat just to shop in gukta while never being able to do without a potion there.

[Lupoman]

ahh remember the good ol days of the EC tunnel?

/auction "10 shot sow potions 100pp! send tells!"

rrr tells you "i'll take 2"
xxx tells you "i'll take 1!"
yyy tells you "sold!"
jjj tells you " i'll take 2 can you also give 2 to my alt? i'll pay u with this char"


AHH the good ol days, i also dont bother on sow potions anymore, jus not worth it if its trivial. Not at 80pp anyway.

[Quinner Sparrowhawk]

Aak, make it stop! I haven't been peeking into the Alchemy Forum for awhile and didn't realize my thread was still active! I have done a great deal of thinking (and making of profit on OTHER items) since then and have decided that SOW potions are best used by my alts and not made for other people unless they offer enough cold hard pp in advance that makes it worth my time.

What orginally prompted the thread was an incident that happened to me while brewing in PoK. I got a request for SOW potions. I asked how much and the person countered name a price...I said minimum price is usaully 100pp but I am busy doing something else right now as a subtle hint that I would need inducement to go get the materials for the combine, including buying a new bag and getting my bearskin from the bank while stopping my brewing. The reply was one of outrage out how he had a shaman alt (on a different server, of course) that made and sold SOW potions at 80pp and I was crazy for thinking I could get even 100pp for a 10-shot SOW potion. I first took this as normal haggling and countered with well, maybe someone else will be willing to make the potions for him, but the individual sent back a few more replies implying I was an evil money grubbing bastage for wanting so much for a simple potion. It was so depressing and distressing.

[Ajia]

SOW potions go for between 70 and 80pp on Xev all the time. That doesn't deter me from selling for 100pp or not at all. If I don't get my price, fine. If I do, fine. I keep my selling mule stocked with SOW potions and Misty Thicket Picnics. Sometimes they sell, sometimes they don't. If they don't sell, that means I don't have to restock. There is enough demand out there that there is no reason to drop prices to compete. There's also no way to get an outrageous amount like 200pp for a SOW potion. Sell for what you want to, I don't care. I'll sell for what I want to and people will buy them or they won't.

[Sanna]

Two thoughts in this one.....


first, a question...

If someone came TO YOU with ten of each necessary ingredient in hand and said 'would you please o great sir shaman make me some sow potions i have all the stuff right here', what kind of commission would you charge?

People expect SOW from my druid for free

Some people expect Lev from my druid without handing me a batwing, and then wonder WHY i don't bleepin keep wings stocked. If the Druids and Rangers would demand even a little for sow, it would help all three classes: Dru, Rng, Shm. I've been laughed out of zones before for asking for item donations (even stuff like spiderling silk in gfay). Chanters don't give free KEI, why should Dru/Rng/Shm give free sow?

And why should the potions go for less than cost? No, price fixing will never work, nor is it a good idea. But there has to be SOME kind of compromise...... so you dru/rng/ esp shm get the plat you need, and my pokey blind human monk can still get anywhere in a decent amount of time.....

[Okotona]

Ajia...

I registered simply to tell ya that I admire your philosophy, best I've seen imo.

/extol

I'm on Xev too :twisted:

[Bannek]

Hmmm even at 85pp I still make a profit on sow potions

Hrmm well that would be a 30pp profit??

OMG that makes me want to just puke

Maybe you can sell 10,000 of them and if you save all the plat you can afford ONE 63-65 lvl spell ROFL

Ever time i think of how ridiculous Alchemy is and how much I have spent to max it out I want to cry.

If you want to make a profit roll an enchanter lvl him to 60 and sit in the bazaar making 10k a day hocking KEI

Altelast now we can make illusion postions, thats a bit of a kick but no money maker and the ammount of time to gather meats/parts is ridiculous.

Alchemy is soley for the Shaman that is bored and enjoys doing it and has far to much plat to worry about.

If they would just give us freakin regular Invis potions now that would be somethimg worth it.

[Okotona]

Haha...

They already have invis potions, 10pp off vendors. Been that way for a long time...

:shock:

All I want are cheaper components from vendor =/

[Bannek]

I think your missing the point, sure the vendores sell single dose invis potions so what?

We should be able to make these ourselves and make 1, 5, or 10 dose invis potions! This would be very useful, or at the least let the vendor sold ones be able for us to combine into 5 and 10 shots

[Okotona]

I got the point

I didn't even bother to address our being able to make them, because few potions that we make are less that 10pp, thus not worth the effort.

The 10 dose thing would be kewl tho

[Bhumpatta]

Hmmm even at 85pp I still make a profit on sow potions

Hrmm well that would be a 30pp profit??

OMG that makes me want to just puke

Maybe you can sell 10,000 of them and if you save all the plat you can afford ONE 63-65 lvl spell ROFL

Well to each his own. I have always gone on the theory that something is better than nothing. When I have some spare time to make a few up between doing other tradeskills I make a few sow and shrink potions. I have made almost 30k in the last couple weeks off of mainly selling potions, though I don't think that will continue as illusion potions aren't selling to well anymore. I recently maxxed triv on titan potions and am still up from sellling potions in alchemy. Maybe some day I will be able to afford those level 65 spells, or perhaps I would do the thing that most people do and just get flagged and get some runes... By the way if I could sell 10,000 I would be more than happy to as that would probably buy me all the level 65 spells, even at a 30pp profit that is 300,000pp. As far as alchemy I started it because I was bored and never expected to make anything from it. I orignally was selling sow potions to try to fund it. I realized I could easily sell a large number of them every day and voila for ten minutes spent combining they will all be sold in the morning if I feel like doing it. Now continue on to puke as I make money.

[Hallace111]

Ok w/o sounding like it has not been said before but I will add to this thread and skip alot of what was said because I did not feel like reading what was written.

#1 can anyone use a potion made by a shaman wether they have mana or not ? Yes.

#2 Is SoE and FoE faster then SoW ? Yes.
2a. So why cant Shamans make a potion thats faster then SoW ,
when Druids can cast it and a Warrior has no mana in the 1st place.
I mean from the dawn of Eq both Druids and Shaman can cast SoW.

#3 SoW was always a 2-3pp donation, until SoW potions and still people were not buying them cause at the time they were not stackable.
Not until later on did they become so.
SoW, once potions became stackable, became a 10pp donation for Shamans and Druids alike. People who sell SoW at 80-90pp and willing to take a loss arent the problem for the drop off in the sales of SoW potions.
The failure to be able to keep up with the SoW sales at 100-110pp
started to make its way out the door the day they made it possible with Faction and 5250pp anyone can purchase Travelers Boots in Sol A.
Now these boots arent instant cast and they cant always save ya butt with a WHOLE 1.5 sec cast time but it is a reasonable reason for the decline in
sales for SoW. Another reason it has become even less in demand is because of AA / Run lll. Run lll is equal to Jboot speed and alot of people are satisfied with it just the same. As far as the PoP ports and running to these p[alces I can hardly find reason for the drop off for SoW potions being bought. Alot of ground to cover from NK to Rathe Mts and back to EK and up past HHK ETC. What many or some dont realize is that the user of the potion can only receive the SPEED and duration as your current lvl will allow. The lvl of the shaman making the SoW has nothing to do with anything. Lvl 50-65 will run on lvl 50 SoW speed While a Lvl 1-49 char will run slower, the lower the lvl the slwoer the char and less duration. Costs 600pp more or less, maybe 650 with added GP to make 100 potions. 4/5 Twinks have a back pack full of potions and think just about all are on their last few uses from a 10shot SoW. 100 SoWs Thats ALOT rofl and cant imagine using them all anytime soon and that may have something to do with the time I play them but they are all played in equal time slots. Prolly the #1 IMO the reason SoW potions dont sell as well as they should have and sold for was the resale to the merchant.
I played in a time of Eq when a +7 wis Veil cost 2kpp and took as little as much as 250pp give or take just to make. Why could they sell at high prices? Well namely cause they can go back to the merchant and get a near 95% Plat back and see if you dared to buy it from the merchant, they usually charged more then the seller thus making it annoying to find a bargin and force us to buy them from the Enc for alot of PLAT.
I dont see why when we make a potion it cant be sold back to the merchant for that which we also paid. /shrug

Hallace 65th Shaman ~Quell~ *Wraith*

[geroxx]

Maybe a stupid question....

Do SoW potions have the same limitation as the Shaman Cast SoW... Meaning that you cant cast in a cave?

Geroxx
lvl 26 Barb Shammy
Karana

[Lupoman]

yes