Time to rebel with the Blood of Wolves

[Quinner Sparrowhawk]

We have the monopoly on our skill, as broken as it may be, and it is time we take advantage of it. The current prices some of our brother and sister shamans are willing to accept for Blood of the Wolf potions is sickening. These prices don't just make for a low profit but kill it entirely. Think of all the hours spent farming thick grizzly skins to make that bag, think of all the failures experienced in making them (20% if you haven't been able to up your skill.) We could easily be making a profit on the sweat of our labor but only if we all band together and charge more for the potions. Don't feel bad for those buying, SOW is NOT an entitlement. If the price for each type (single, 5 shot, 10 shot) was doubled, people would still buy. They have the money. If they didn't, no one would be paying 20,000pp for a horse. It's time we band together, my brothers and sisters, and charge a reasonable price for that which we work so hard to achieve!

(Then we might be able to afford the ridiculous prices for the ingredients of the higher level potions)

If the price for each type (single, 5 shot, 10 shot) was doubled, people would still buy.

Speaking from a customer standpoint... how bout, nope.

Most people have plenty of friends willing to Sow whenever they ask, or bum it... there are 4 high shaman in my guild who would gladly make it if prices raised, just so we wouldn't have to buy at inflated pricing.

Not for nothing, but Shaman are considered 'Uber' and there is no shortage of competition, even if only one class makes em.


For 100pp max, a 10 dose sow potion is worth it, for more I wouldn't buy. Sorry profit kinda sucks on it, .

For what its worth, if it cost you 10pp to make, I'd still pay 100pp for it.

[Jaeden]

Problem is, they aren't selling for 100 pp anymore. People have started lowering the prices to 80 and 90 for a 10 dose.

That is unacceptable for me when I actually want to skillup.

[Shaman Arriana]

Price fixing in everquest doesn't work.

Just let the idea die now before you waste your time.

[Aandaie]

If skilling up you'll just have to take a loss. Several things have killed sow potion markets:

1) pop port system. Just not as much demand when you don't need sow for "long" runs.

2) druids or whomever giving sow for free, or donation.

Horses have nothing to do with it since anyone who would ever reasonably afford a horse would get jboots or tboots first, is my guess.

The prices will likely drop more. Eventually they won't be worth trying to sell except for skilling up, as you say. Even losing some plat skilling up is better than trying to skill up on something like smithing

[Jvani]

The only way there will be a better market for these is for them to be made better and/or more convenient than getting the spell buff. Right now they're a pita because they're only 10-dose and take up so much inventory space to carry around, else ya gotta keep running back to your bank.

Enhancements that would make them sell better:

* 100-dose
* Stackable potions
* Stackable WITH SoW for further speed enhancement
* Last 10 times as long as the regular spell
* Spirit of Eagle instead (faster + levitate)
* Use in other tradeskill (like make em the tanin for a tailored item with effect: spirit of wolf) :shock:
* Use in quest

I'd suppose the last one to be the most likely, but ya never know! 8)

~ Jv

[Aethn]

* Stackable WITH SoW for further speed enhancement
* Last 10 times as long as the regular spell

SOE would just as soon sell Everquest to Microsoft for $1 before you would EVER see those two suggestions make it into the game.

[KyrosKrane]

* Last 10 times as long as the regular spell

Ten times may be overkill, but what about doubling, or just increasing it by 50%? That significantly increases the value of the potion without hurting the spell too badly.

[UbercyrusForbeis]

They won't ever make a potion better than what a person can cast. Won't happen.

There's a huge thing about allowing people to have an obvious monopoly.

Now, are there monopolies out there? Without a doubt. Were they put in by design? Nope.

Would allowing us to make and sell a potion that is better than anyone can cast in game be a monopoly? Yep.

So... in conclusion, ain't gonna happen. Not that I can ever see.

I have been wrong before. (you may now all look shocked )

[Terrarizin]

It's all about supply and demand. Just gotta go with the flow.

[Lilosh]

It's all about supply and demand. Just gotta go with the flow.

I like your magelo picture.


That is all.


-Lilosh

[Bhumpatta]

Hmmm even at 85pp I still make a profit on sow potions. The key is to just get your skill up. I sell quite a few and that isn't even the lowest price on the server. Its not anything like kei money but its a little bit that I can use to buy stat food, better than no money flow I guess /shrug

Not to mention with more sow potions out there it means that I get less beggers for sow. I would rather have it that way. Seriously though, if you came into alchemy for profit you chose the wrong tradeskill. There isn't big money here, even at 100pp a pop the money isn't big. I just did it for fun and to say that I did it.

[Garulf]

The point is, SoW potions cost a minimum of 55 plat to make a 10 shot. Every failure (even at 160 skill+geerlok, I fail the required 5% or more of the time) costs you an extra 5.5 plat. So you make 30pp or less, for basically keeping the buyer SoWed for 6 solid hours. Lots of people consider that a waste of their time, and thus no longer make SoW potions for sale.

People skilling up (or still with lowish skill) will basically be selling SoWs at a loss at 85pp per 10 charge. Before the bazaar, being able to sell a 10 charge SoW for 100pp took the sting out of the cost of Alchemy. Now thanks to "me firsters", not content to leave the price as it was, Alchemy (even low end Alchemy), is only for the wealthier players.

If anything, the price should have gone UP with the bazaar, buyers paying for the convenience of always being able to find someone selling SoWs in the bazaar.

[Bhumpatta]

If anything, the price should have gone UP with the bazaar, buyers paying for the convenience of always being able to find someone selling SoWs in the bazaar

Actually with the amount of people just having to make some sow potions up and put them on their mule for the night should bring the prices down as more people do it. With people that make up like 80 sow potions to put on their mule and put it all at 80pp you don't have much of a choice than to put your price slightly above or match the price. That is the problem I have run into. In a market economy things work that way. When there is more sellers for a product the price has to come down so that people will buy your product. That is what the bazaar brought into the game. It brought a market where more people would be selling various items, many of which would be sow potions. On any given night you can see 10-20 people selling them. They are not a rare comodity, and won't be any time soon thus the price will probably stay down.

With a skill of 171 I hardly fail on sow potions. Perhaps one in 40. I did get lucky the other day and went 60 in a row without a fail.
Even at a skill of 49 I was able to make sow potions for a profit at the price of 85pp. When I calculated it the average cost for me was 78 or so pp. Not a massive profit but to me some money was better than none for merely spending ten minutes doing the combines before I went off for the night.
Alchemy really isn't that bad to get it up to 170 or so. I may have been lucky but I did it on 6k, when I was tired of looking at the price of torpor. Its like any tradeskill really, to get it high your going to need to pay. Believe it or not I have made that 6k back by selling various alchemy potions, most of which have been sow potions. So if the 30pp profit per potion isn't good enough for you there is a simple solution, don't make them and continue on. I will keep on selling and slowly but steadily building up some cash.
When you also add in the factor that transport has vastly improved with the introduction of the Plane of Knowledge there is less of a need for sow. It may not be a large contributing factor but it still should be included.

[Quicksilk]

My 2cp worth.

I am doing my part. 200 lvl alchmist, who DOESN'T make a single **** sow (trying to find a way to stop making shrink also, we aren't a VT enabled guild - TZ) Reduce the supply and theoretically, price should increase. Why are there so many on the market when they are 37triv, because people LIKE making 40-48pp profit on something that takes 60-90sec to make. I personally dispise it, 2 min of combine and I can sell a 20k JC or Pottery item.

Moral of the story, if you aren't leveling on it, don't sell it.
If it is not your only source of income, don't sell it.

- Quicksilk <Indignation> - TZ