Potion wish list...

[filobeto]

If you check the spell data on Lucy, the brain blaster has a 1 percent chance of succeeding at the Feign Death. So, they can indeed remove aggro the way FD does - but it is something you can count on failing!

Lucy is incorrect on this. There are countless threads, even here, that indicate Lucy is wrong.

There is a FD ring for shammies, would be nice if they could make a potion as well.

[Elyssanda]

If you check the spell data on Lucy, the brain blaster has a 1 percent chance of succeeding at the Feign Death. So, they can indeed remove aggro the way FD does - but it is something you can count on failing!

as posted in this thread: http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/showthread.php?t=26532

SOE is not responsible for extrnal sites the "parse" the files and get it wrong.

No-where in game, nor even on EQPlayers does it say it is feign death. On eqplayers it states the following for the Inebrification effect.

Description: The best drink in Norrath.

Category: Magical Skill:
Mana: 0
Casting Time: 0 seconds Beneficial: 1
Recast Time: 2 minutes Target Type: Targeted-Self
Duration: 0 seconds
Fizzle Time: 0 seconds
Fizzle Adj.: 0 Resist: Magic
Range: 100

Items With Effect: Interplanar Brain Blaster
On You: You pass out.
On Others: passes out.
Wears Off: You regain control but feel some permanent damage was done.

LUCY is not run by or supported by Sony. Their information is the best they can "surmise". Ngreth works for Sony and has stated a few times that while the drink makes you fall down, it does not , not even 1/100 or 1/1000 actually clear aggro like FD. you just fall down.

[Ngreth Thergn]

as posted in this thread: http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/showthread.php?t=26532


LUCY is not run by or supported by Sony. Their information is the best they can "surmise". Ngreth works for Sony and has stated a few times that while the drink makes you fall down, it does not , not even 1/100 or 1/1000 actually clear aggro like FD. you just fall down.

Well... it may actually have that 1% chance to clear agro... just because i would not put it past the spell system to NOT be able to do 0%.

But it is absolutely NOT something that is intended to give a consistent agro clearing feign death, not at ALL. And it never claims to do so. It's point is to make you fall down.

In this case I believe lucy does give accurate information, but **ONLY** if you go look at the raw data... the "initial" page that says feign death does not give the chance, which misleads people to think it is the normal feign death... only when you delve into the "detailed" information do you see that actually tiny chance. (**BUT** without delving into the spell code... that 1 ould actually mean 0% chance... it could mean 1% chance.... the spell system is ripe with special case code...)

[melloyelloofsaryrn]

pet potion

I too was thinking of a potion for pets , not color changing , but actual pet buffage. A pet DS potion would be so wonderful , both in solo terms for pet classes and also as a money maker in the alchemy biz. Something like a summoned pet kit is for mages. Since this can already be cast on pets in game i dont see that it would really be a Cheat. I think it would go along with the other lines of potions we have now including PoP potions which give you the effect without having to drag around a caster. So I pose the question to Ngreth , if others agreed this would be usefull/profitable, would the code allow something like this to be put in , or is it just an impossablility ?
Please excuse any and all spelling errors it's early
Mello
also dont jump on me if the new ones are pet castable, i have tried and doesnt work for me

[Ngreth Thergn]

I too was thinking of a potion for pets , not color changing , but actual pet buffage. A pet DS potion would be so wonderful , both in solo terms for pet classes and also as a money maker in the alchemy biz. Something like a summoned pet kit is for mages. Since this can already be cast on pets in game i dont see that it would really be a Cheat. I think it would go along with the other lines of potions we have now including PoP potions which give you the effect without having to drag around a caster. So I pose the question to Ngreth , if others agreed this would be usefull/profitable, would the code allow something like this to be put in , or is it just an impossablility ?
Please excuse any and all spelling errors it's early
Mello
also dont jump on me if the new ones are pet castable, i have tried and doesnt work for me

Well, I would guess it is possible.

As for probable I cannot say.

I do not think current code allows for it, and I have no idea how easy or difficult the code change would be. I do know unless I find something actually broken (broken, not a new feature... and not twisting words to say a new feature is actually something broken. this is a new feature. Maybe not a full "list on the box oh wow this is huge" new feature, but a new one nonetheless.) I am not getting any code changes for many months to come.

So that said, it is not likely to happen in anything approaching a near future just from the code side of it.

Then there is the design side. Discussion does have to come about if this invades Magician's space. I think not, but it is still something that has to be considered.

[Edit]
On second thought, there is a way to have a clicky work on a target. So it may not need a code change. But I am not sure about the spell limitations. And it would be more like you casting on the pet (forcing the pet to drink? splashing it on the pet?) than "giving it" to the pet to drink. That said. I may end up giving this ability to other skills that have problems with useful items over a skill that already has many useful items.

[melloyelloofsaryrn]

thank you for the answer

i would not like to bother my dear mage friends either , but in truth i don't think this would be anymore of a terratory issue that clairty potions have been for enchanters. Thanks for the heads up on the code issue dear , as always I find you right here willing to do your best to keep us in the loop
Regards
Mello

[Ngreth Thergn]

sorry I edited my post above.

An example might be to give it to rogues, as a poison made to "splash on" pets that makes them hurt back things that hit them and this give it to Make Poison instead of Alchemy.

But nothing has been decided, and this assuredly will NOT be in with the upcoming expansion. I could still decide to make this alchemy.

[melloyelloofsaryrn]

Nice ideas

I, of course, as an alchemy person would mourn the loss of the pp, however as a pet type would still love the effect. Couldn't complain either way I guess lol. I do hope this will come in some form form for the future. Everything you posted makes sense though, you do have to make it all make fit (in game), the effect would still be helpful any way you go though , even if it were a pottery pet water bowl with a right click hehe.
Hope to see something like this one day , and thanks for listening
Mello

[Flehmen]

And it would be more like you casting on the pet (forcing the pet to drink? splashing it on the pet?) than "giving it" to the pet to drink. That said. I may end up giving this ability to other skills that have problems with useful items over a skill that already has many useful items.

I can see several TS applicable ways to work this mechanic in:

Pottery and some kind of infused ceramic disc of protection. You break the disc on your pet.

Poison making and a DS pet "splash-on" effect. (This would be ideal as it also explains why you can't apply it to yourself, since it is a poison)(maybe it could have a HUGE target-DoT effect as well that pets are immune to? So you could use it on yourself if you set up the healing right.)

I suppose Alchemy could get this one.... since this is the Alchemy forum, but I know the wife's shamman can hardly keep up with demand for all the new potions as it is and she only makes the VI versions. (Good job, btw, Big N)

Fishing might work too. Get some Jellyfish bones(yes, I know that is an oxymoron) to rub on pets.

A race restricted baking or brewing skill... (only trolls or ogres would be able to bake something THAT bad.) But both baking and brewing have some pretty good utility.

Heh, hope your creative juices are flowing Ngreth. I'd love to see something posionish that is usable by others on a consumable basis.

Ten.

[Rinikku]

On second thought, there is a way to have a clicky work on a target.

How does this work? I have tried to cast my sow boots (from shammy epic) on other people and can never get it to cast on anyone but me. Is there a command similar to /tgb on?

[Qaladar Bragollach]

Some clickies are targetable and some are not... its a property of the item. There is no way to make a self only clicky like your SoW boots targetable, no.

[Rinikku]

Dang... then the item description is wrong... it says something to the effect of filling "your target" with the spirit of wolf. Self only spells say "you" only, not "your target". This was the only reason I thought it could be turned on.

[Qaladar Bragollach]

Blame lazy cut and paste item makers for that.


Actually I said its a property of the item but thats not really true. Much of the time clickies have a spell of the same name that is actually a different entry in the spell database that is not targetable.

[Queletan]

I don't know if it is what ngreth is thinking of, but 3 items spring to mind.. Enchanters get a Feedback earring, and Clerics get Donals BP of Mourning (CH) and the PoR BP (Pious Elixir).. I think there's a DON Item for clerics too that clicks Pious Light.

Not instant clicks, but still targeted (the PoR BP has ~1.5 second cast time iirc).

Q

[melloyelloofsaryrn]

well as far as i know

click effects do work on others , my husaband is a 70 cleic , he uses rez stick , click heal 2.0 click heal item he carries in range etc etc . So yes click effects i would guess would work on others. I think it just has to be an item meant to stick to others. I do not however know if his click heal works on a pet , I will check later to see
mello
while i types i guess others said same