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  • Well, I'm convinced.

    I'm still surprised by some of the people who play this game. I have come to expect (and forgive) a lot of things, but the _whining_ still dumbfounds me some times.

    Here's a little background. I have a character sitting in the bazaar most evenings and nights (But not mornings -- strangely EQ crashes on me every day at exactly 8:27 AM. Don't ask me why). Mostly I keep her there so I can buy tailoring supplies when they come on the market, but I also do a fair business selling robes, spells, armour and various odds and ends.

    I have been holding onto a copy of 'Everlasting Breath', the level 51 version of Enduring Breath which doesn't require fish scales, for a while now. Eventually I'm going to give it to my sweetie's shaman when we both find time to play more seriously but until then it is sitting in my trader bag, priced at 12,000 platinum.

    That's higher than some other traders will sell it for (there were two other copies in the bazaar that day, priced at 7k and 10k), and maybe twice what it would cost to buy the research components and make it yourself (if you can find them -- they have been a bit scarce lately), but that's fine with me. I don't really want to sell it now, but if there is enough demand then I'll happily let it go for that price and worry about replacing it later.

    Yesterday evening I came home and found a couple stored tells that gave me a bit of a chuckle. It seems that a more budget concious customer was trying to gently persuade me to lower my price for him. (Names changed to protect the, well, wanker)

    Wanker tells you, 'Ill give you 500 for everlasting breath'
    You tell Wanker, 'AFK Message: All of my goods can be found in the /bazaar window. I am standing on the south side of the row of traders just north of the central building. No trades, please.'
    Wanker tells you, 'If it saves me that much money ill be suprised 12k is outrages i dont know what your trying to pull'

    Clearly, I was dealing with a master negotiator. I promptly collapsed under the overwhelming weight of his well crafted, logical argument. After all, if he as the buyer didn't feel that my goods were worth more than 4% of my asking price, then I was required by the laws of supply and demand to lower my price immediately. Adam Smith wrote about this extensively in his landmark work "Giving Away The Wealth of Nations For Free". Who was I to argue?

    I composed a reply to Wanker, begging his forgiveness for trying to cheat him the way I had and offering to give him not only the spell he wanted but also a free lizard on a stick to make up for my heinous misdeeds, but, sadly, he had already left the game without his shiny new spell. Neither of the other two vendors had sold their copies to him either.

    Now I guess I'll just have to try and live with the shame of trying to pull something on this guy. Somehow. *sob*


    Minuit
    Brell Serilis
    Yada yada yada

  • #2
    /nod

    The advantage to the componentless version of the spell is not the cost savings on fish scales. It's the freedom to use the spell when you're standing around naked and haven't gotten your body, and the fish scales that are on it, back. Not that anyone would use the component version over the componentless version once they have it.

    Add in the rarity of the dropped version and the research components for the researched version and that's why the value of that spell and the componentless levitate spell are still high.
    Huntress Jannelle Silverthorne
    Forest Stalker of Ashborne (Karana)

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    • #3
      But sadly not worth as much as it used to be... Back when the new research went in I cleared over 100,000 platinum in one day just researching and selling copies of Levitate and Enduring Breath. *sigh*

      But even then half the tells I received were of the "What are you, nuts?" variety. The other half were of the "If you have more, I'll happily buy them for 20k" kind, so I guess it balanced out.

      Nowadays, it's only the whingers who are left.

      Oh, and there is a drawback to both componentless spells. Since they are level 51, they can't be cast on characters below level 45 (or so). I discovered that little catch while trying to buff the crap out of everybody in my guild's alts. Luckily I hadn't sold all of my fish scales and bat wings yet.

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      • #4
        Don't let it bother you - I always get tells from different idiots along the same lines - it's always one of two versions.

        1) Please sell me this item because I'm poor - the fact that you're selling it means that you don't need it anymore and since I'm so poor and do need it then you should sell it to me for the fraction of the price I'm offering you for it.

        2) You're charging way too much for this item and being a greedy bastard (even though 9 times out of 10 I've got the lowest price in the bazaar - LOL) - I have determined that the price I'm offering you is the correct price and you should be happy that I'm even willing to offer you this much for it.

        Both are idiots - the first type may occasionally be sincere, but I've become too jaded by the hustlers to beleive this type or to take the time to actually inspect the character to see if the character is even legit.
        Cigarskunk!
        No more EQ for me till they fix the crash bug.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cigarskunk
          1) Please sell me this item because I'm poor - the fact that you're selling it means that you don't need it anymore and since I'm so poor and do need it then you should sell it to me for the fraction of the price I'm offering you for it.
          The sincere variety of this breed always amuse me. It's a very logical and persuasive (against me) argument in RL, where life and death are very serious indeed. But in EQ, nothing bad will happen to you if you are broke. You won't die of starvation or heatstroke or hypothermia. And if you do die due to misfortune or stupidity, the consequences are hardly tragic. Oh no, hehehe, those that have tried this argument on me have lived to regret it...when they stayed logged on throughout my entire lecture, that is.
          Retiree of EQ Traders...
          Venerable Heyokah Verdandi Snowblood
          Barbarian Prophet & Hierophant of Cabilis
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          • #6
            The advantage to the componentless version of the spell is not the cost savings on fish scales. It's the freedom to use the spell when you're standing around naked and haven't gotten your body, and the fish scales that are on it, back. Not that anyone would use the component version over the componentless version once they have it.
            Also, the freedom from the need to devote a scarce slot in a bag to fish scales/bat wings that hardly ever get used. The cost is negligible; the freed-up slot is (to me at least) very valuable.
            Velurian
            70 Enchanter, E'ci

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            • #7
              I'll give you 501pp for it!!

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              • #8
                502 and not a copper more!
                Master Iannyen Sparklybitz
                Coercer of 65 Dissapointing Illusions
                Bearer of the Blessed Coldain Prayer Shawl

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                • #9
                  I'm thinking about getting the 51 EB spell just for that reason.

                  I was on a CR in the Scarlet Desert last night (*Grumbles about dispelling mobs*)

                  And I got agro when a cheetah saw through invis. I ran for the grey, and stepped inside. Cursed loudly when I realized that my EB item was on my corpse.

                  -Lilosh
                  Venerable Noishpa Taltos , Planar Druid, Educated Halfling, and GM Baker.
                  President and Founder of the Loudmouthed Sarcastic Halflings Society
                  Also, Smalltim

                  So take the fact of having a dirty mind as proof that you are world-savvy; it's not a flaw, it's an asset, if nothing else, it's a defense - Sanna

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                  • #10
                    I'm just glad I'm an enchanter. Thanks to the illusion faction upgrade/nerf and LoY, I don't need either.

                    I'm free now to use Illusion: Water Elemental (EB), Illusion: Air Elemental (lev), Illusion: Imp (lev), or Trickster's Augmentation (lev) in any place I want...well, except in zones where levitate doesn't work. And thanks to project illusion, I can tag others with it as well, though we've got to be grouped.

                    And then there's Leviathan Eyes, the nifty see invis, EB, ultravision spell that takes no component. Except for the fact that it ruins my superior gnomish vision by tinting everything some pale/washed out thing, it's a great spell.

                    Nicely removes any need to get either spell
                    It's up to you, what you do will decide your own fate.
                    Make your choice now, for tomorrow may be far too late. -- Twisted Sister

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                    • #11
                      Ah yes, it's good to be a magician. We've always had compentless levitate and EB spells, and well before level 51.

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                      • #12
                        I just laugh when I see people selling this for multiple K platinum pieces. I would never pay more than a couple hundred plat for this spell. It is not that inconvienent to keep a stack of batwings and fishscales in your bank for emergency use. Certainly not serveral k platinum that would be better used elswhere.

                        This is a judgement call of course. Whats the bank space and convience of not having to have batwings or fish scales around worth to you. I get the spells eventually either from drop or researched but I am not going to loose any sleep over the fact
                        that a copy is available in the bazaar for several k plat.


                        Borblefoot Furtoe
                        62nd Season Druid
                        Firiona Vie server

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                        • #13
                          I also won't pay those prices for them. First off, I can't. I wouldn't say I'm poor but I sure don't have that kind of money.

                          Besides, for me, I'd rather save up now and have the money for malo and torpor. 9k-12k is nothing against the 35-50k those run for. Actually, the price of a lot of the higher shaman spells will probably be the death of me. Good thing I can find many other ways to amuse myself!

                          But wow, no way would I ever slam or beg someone about their price. It's a free market system. Anyone has the right to set their own price. No one is forcing them to buy.
                          Grenoble
                          Iksar Shaman

                          Laedria
                          DE Wizardess and Nuker Extroardinaire

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                          • #14
                            Heh.

                            I admit, I haven't cast Everlasting Breath since Leviathan Eyes came out either. OTOH, I think the componentless levitate is easily worth 5k. Nothing like the joy of having to carry peridots, tiny daggers, fish scales, batwings, and piles of other stupid components for people who run out (What do you mean you don't have any pearls? =P) and still try to be the ML. -_-;
                            Unmei, Coercer, Lanys.

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                            • #15
                              My response

                              I'm not the smoothest at negotiations. That's why I pay a friend a commission to sell my wares for me.

                              However, if I were in this situation, it would go something like this.

                              Wanker tells you, 'Ill give you 500 for everlasting breath'

                              Wanker tells you, 'If it saves me that much money ill be suprised 12k is outrages i dont know what your trying to pull'

                              Leana tells Wanker, "Why I'm just trying to make a living. I'm willing to negotiate with reasonable minded people. For you, I'll make a special deal, only 13k for the spell."
                              Leana Soulwarden
                              Grandmaster Smith
                              Inevitable Storm
                              Lanys T'Vyl

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