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    I am too flustered by behavior like this to even write comments which wouldn't be 95% filtered out anyway but I think that most of us can agree that this person is definately deserving of any name calling we might have for him.

    WASHINGTON, DC -- A lawsuit designed to ban the sale of Oreo cookies to
    children is an attack on individual responsibility and parental rights,
    Libertarians say.

    "Americans don't need junk lawsuits to protect them from junk foods,"
    said Geoffrey Neale, national chairman of the Libertarian Party.
    "Parents should be the ones who decide what their kids can eat -- not
    judges, politicians or cookie cops."

    San Francisco attorney Stephen Joseph alleges in a lawsuit against
    Nabisco, Inc., that Oreo cookies are a health hazard because they are
    made with partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, also called trans fat.
    Joseph claims that the cookies, which have been manufactured since
    1912, are too dangerous for children to eat.

    His lawsuit, filed in Marin County Superior Court this month, asks for
    an injunction ordering Kraft Foods to stop selling Oreo cookies to
    children in California.

    Joseph's suit is similar to one filed last year against McDonald's,
    Burger King, and other fast-food giants, which was rejected by a
    federal court. Restaurant industry observers say the legal strategies
    are part of the larger "war on fatty foods," which also includes
    legislation in several states to ban snack foods and soft drinks in
    public schools.

    But the problem with looking to courts and legislators to improve
    public health, Libertarians say, is that it tramples on the notion of
    individual and parental responsibility.

    "It's condescending for people like Joseph to assume that other adults
    are too dumb to know the difference between snack foods and health
    foods," Neale said. "And it's downright offensive to ask courts to
    insert themselves between parent and child and start pulling snack
    foods out of kitchen cabinets."

    Joseph's central legal claim is that Nabisco can he held liable under
    the California civil code because trans fat is not "known to be unsafe
    by the ordinary consumer."

    "Let's set aside for a moment the dubious claim that Oreo cookies --
    which Americans have been eating for 91 years with no apparent ill
    effects -- can be considered a health hazard," Neale said.

    "The fact remains that thanks to the free flow of information, it's
    ridiculous to claim that the dangers of fatty foods are unknown," Neale
    said.

    Joseph admits he didn't decide Oreos were "unsafe" until he read about
    hydrogenated fat in a newspaper article two years ago, he noted.

    "Doesn't that mean that millions of other Americans are just as
    informed as he is, and can decide for themselves whether this substance
    is too dangerous for their kids?" Neale asked. "Calling trans fat a
    hidden health threat doesn't pass the laugh test."

    The free market is already working in other ways to safeguard public
    health, Neale explained. A few examples:

    * The Kraft Corp. is already testing alternatives to trans fats in its
    snack foods.

    * McDonald's restaurants, in an attempt to catch up with competitors
    who are offering healthier menus, has unveiled a plan to introduce low-
    fat French fries.

    * Frito-Lay, owned by PepsiCo. Inc. announced last year that it would
    eliminate trans fat from Doritos and other snacks.

    "It's clear that when it comes to protecting public health, the free
    market is way ahead of the food police," Neale said. "The fact is that
    judges, politicians, and litigation-happy health nuts pose a far
    greater threat to your freedom than Oreos pose to your health."
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  • #2
    Not sure if I missed this in the article. The lawyer dropped the lawsuit since Nabisco is trying to find ways to reduce trans fats in Oreos.

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    • #3
      And amazingly, people have been eating them since 1912 and are only now having "problems" with them. :roll: It's called moderation, not give the whole bag to the kid.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by lonewylfe
        And amazingly, people have been eating them since 1912 and are only now having "problems" with them. :roll: It's called moderation, not give the whole bag to the kid.
        No, actually that's not it at all. It's different mores that cause something that was seen as OK to not be seen as OK now.

        People used to think that drinking radium laced water was good for the health.

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        • #5
          I wish I could remember the link to the story I read. Apparently, comparing some year in the 40's or 50's, to a year in the 90's, the same TOTAL number of people were killed in auto accidents. Considering how many more people drive now, that means driving was much more dangerous back then. And when you think about how many people live through cancer now, you realize how much our society's tolerance of risk has changed.

          Having said that, I think the lawsuit, as expressed by the press (which I don't trust in legal matters), goes too far. But I do think Nabisco should be forced to label the amount of trans fat in their products. That way people could decide for themselves.
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          • #6
            /agree

            Informed Consumer = good

            Banned Product = bad

            I'm 39 years old, I don't need a nanny telling me "It's good for you" anymore.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by scarbrowed
              Having said that, I think the lawsuit, as expressed by the press (which I don't trust in legal matters), goes too far. But I do think Nabisco should be forced to label the amount of trans fat in their products. That way people could decide for themselves.
              The difficulty I see is that I think the nutrition labeling is a standard set by the government, and they haven't figured out what the labeling rules for trans fat should be yet. (The first part is my vague understanding of how things work, the second part I read recently as a fact. IE. the government is working on defining standards for trans fats).

              /disclaimer I am an employee of Kraft Foods as a computer analyst, but I am neither a food scientist nor a lawyer, and my opinions are my own, not that of my employer :P
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              • #8
                Cars kill more people then oreos do. Wheres the lawsuits trying to ban cars?
                Lets ban cows too. Beef is pretty fatty.
                These pants make my butt look fat. Lets ban them too.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lonewylfe
                  And amazingly, people have been eating them since 1912 and are only now having "problems" with them. :roll: It's called moderation, not give the whole bag to the kid.
                  The problem is that this is the same kind of mentality that led to popcorn being ruined in American movie theaters.

                  The theaters used to use this one type of oil that was pretty high in fat, but gave the popcorn that wonderfully sweet taste that we all remember from the 80s and before.

                  Then some yahoo like this guy came forward and started raising a hissy fit about how bad this stuff was and presented "studies" which showed that it could kill you - the only problem was that in order for movie theater popcorn to be lethal, you had to eat 5 large tubs of it every day for something like 20 years - otherwise, a tub every week or two was harmless for the average movie goer.
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                  • #10
                    Sacharine causes cancer in lab mice!
                    . . .
                    . . .
                    . . .
                    When ingested in quantities equivalent to an average adult human eating 5 pounds of it 3 times a day, every day.
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                    • #11
                      Two inches of water, ingested incorrectly, is lethal 100% of the time.

                      (Sorry, my sarcasm got the best of me there)
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                      • #12
                        I find it impossible to read through the first post without substituting the word 'cigarette' for 'oreo'. Everything fits, even the quotes about parents making decisions for their families, the manufacturer looking for ways to make its product a little safer, consumer choice, and the parts about going after advertising as well as actual sales. Even the replies in this thread fit.

                        It's also fun to substitute the words 'beer' or 'marijuana' (since those are already banned), or my personal favorite 'caffeine', since most of the same arguments apply to those as to oreos.
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                        • #13
                          Darn you Arakni!
                          Now i have to go find that petition to ban Di-hydrogen Monoxide.
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                          • #14
                            Now i have to go find that petition to ban Di-hydrogen Monoxide.
                            http://www.dhmo.org/


                            While the joke may be lost on this crowd now, that was the funniest site I had ever seen when I first read it... after thinking a bit and getting the joke.

                            I'd advise people to forward it to their friends, subtle humor is my favorite.
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                            • #15
                              Can anyone see that the lawyers are trying to create a land like is show in the book 1984?
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