Vox and Naggy soloed

[kiztent]

On the one hand, Vox and Naggy banish anyone over 52 because they used to be soloed in early Kunark Days, and he has way more HP and AC than a Kunark era tank (and damage output).

On the other hand, I'm not sure I believe it.

It might be possible with a set of fully loaded buffs (HoV, SoV, etc.).

[Heartsong_Steelsoul]

*sigh* I have always heard that no one solo'ed nagafen before the level caps - but some people one grouped him. And the shaman you're thinking of solo'ed a velious dragon.

[Grimina]

Perhaps I'm missing something that other people have in their mods...but when I look at my chat window..there's somewhere to type. And there is an outline around it. Not shadowing. Also I don't generally make it a habit to move my chat window around *shrug* Maybe he moves it around a lot and has no need to actually type on it. Also for someone that would of necessity be curious as to his health throughout the fight we can assume that he didn't make a mod that wouldn't show his health at the very least. However he could have made all these changes after the fight. And yet...why? He had to know it would make the picture look altered...

Anyway those are my reasons as to why the picture looks edited.

If he did do it...he put a lot of effort into making it hard to believe he did.

[Grimina]

After seeing the logs I have to say I certainly believe he did it. Do I feel bad for doubting him? Of course not, who is he to me that I should believe him without untampered with proof? In hindsight I suppose my disbelief stemmed in whole from the fact that the picture was false. I found it hard to justify believing someone could do the improbable if he couldn't even post the "real" pics. I believe that he showed an amazing lack of foresight if he honestly thought he would be believed by everyone instantly on other messageboards besides his own.

BUT, I did wanna say that I was right about the screenshots Neener Neener! =P

Those were taken in fullscreen and the /w of Teck being the only one in the zone was on a different screenshot and cut and pasted onto the fullscreen ones

HA!

[Gargazon]

I completely believe this, check out his ac/hp/stats/saves....unbuffed no less. The fact that he is a monk, and has nice weapons doesn't hurt either for damage. Add the fact that these dragons only have 32k hp, and CH's or no, I see 2 dead dragons were in the cards. Infinite healing from insta click potions + great gear + lotsa damage...where's the confusion.

And as far as monks getting nerfed it's not Furor Plainsfield, it's Furor Planesdefiler, guildleader of FoH, who led that crusade. Seconded by every warrior who had a clue about how the melee classes were working. He did it bacause monks were out tanking warriors, outdamaging them, outpulling them, had mend, nearly as many hp when gear was factored in, could FD and not die, and then some. It only ammounted to a 5% difference in tanking, but after you figured in the fact that due to the increases damage output they could also kill them faster, and thereby get like 2+ times the exp in the same ammount of time as a warrior/healer duo it starts to make a lot more sense. What didn't make sense was putting some guy in his pajamas in front of you to take the blows, because he is better at it than a guy General patton would have been proud to stick at the head of his African campaign. I realize this has been beaten to death on guild boards, but monks weren't even close to balanced before. They NEEDED to be nerfed, they had ZERO weaknesses.

It's the same thing with the recent chanter nerf. Chanters were WAY to powerful. PERIOD. So they were nerfed...and were still too powerful, so now the mobs summon. Now chanters group, or die in horrible ways much much more often than before.

Everyone who gets nerfed of course screams and cries (I know I did when my necro got nerfed, and nerfed again, and again, and again). Much badwill is built between SoE and the players, and as a result, the first game that comes along with any hopes of dethroning EQ, everyone jumps too. The problem is, so far it's been empty promises from these new games. SoE could solve a HUGE ammount of their CS problems by simply playtesting stuff before they put it out, or at the very least by having the zones made before they release them.

Thankfully, I've never had to worry about it, I've always been just far enough behind the uber guilds that they have already playtested it for SoE. The fallout of this though is a massive ammount of antipathy, and downright hostility from the uber community towards SoE. This DOES matter too, the uber community are the cheerleaders of gaming. The hard core fans who spout off reviews all over the web, the ones who generate interest in a game, or not to a large degree, and lastly, the ones who show us all the nifty goodies and strats on how to get them. (SoE MAY be starting to listen some, time will tell, also how well WoW does when it hits Beta testing. So everyone who like EQ should really root for blizzard to put out an awesome game, it's the only way they will actually fix EQ, although a lot of that will depend on how blizzard implements PvP).

I also don't think you need to worry about monks getting nerfed over this because even the folks at SoE can look at this guys magelo, see that he had more healing than a dedicated cleric could have most likely provided from his potions, and probably spent more on them than he could make from selling a CoF if it dropped, and moved on to the next round of nerfs.

Other than that, I would only remind people that level limits were imposed because single groups/soloers were going in withOUT all the nifty tricks this guy had, just their normal everyday selves and wasting these dragons, when they were still actually sought after spawns. The nerf was done so that people 52 and lower could have a hope of getting their epic parts. Today, most people don't bother with epics, except for a few classes like cleric where the epic is horribly overpowered compared to other epics (most of us are happy about that though, myself included, especially when I need a rez).

[kiztent]

And as far as monks getting nerfed it's not Furor Plainsfield, it's Furor Planesdefiler, guildleader of FoH, who led that crusade.

No, actually he didn't. I know this is old news (and has probably fallen off the FoH boards), but his original post asked for warriors to be enhanced because monks made warriors obsolete - due to broken itemization and bad implementation of Luclin bosses.

Sony decided to nerf monks based on the information presented. They've also addressed Furor's concerns about the AC softcap and lack of mitigation that caused the problems to come about in the first place.

[Grimina]

His gear isn't what won that fight. It's ****ed fine...but my lvl 30 twink monk has better...and wouldn't be able to win that fight. The clicky heals are what won that fight for him combined with massive buffs, combined with great gear. So anyone that believed, just by looking at his gear, is a fool. Even he said it wasn't about his gear =P

[Railina]

And as far as monks getting nerfed it's not Furor Plainsfield, it's Furor Planesdefiler, guildleader of FoH, who led that crusade.

Plainfeld, look at the screenshots of their Sol Ro kill. If he has since changed his name, well, good for him.

Seconded by every warrior who had a clue about how the melee classes were working. He did it bacause monks were out tanking warriors, outdamaging them, outpulling them, had mend, nearly as many hp when gear was factored in, could FD and not die, and then some. It only ammounted to a 5% difference in tanking,

Only applies to the top 2% of monks.

but after you figured in the fact that due to the increases damage output they could also kill them faster, and thereby get like 2+ times the exp in the same ammount of time as a warrior/healer duo it starts to make a lot more sense.

The average (not somebody's 200k twink) monk, even before the nerf, was having trouble soloing low blues. While you may validly say that this is unbalanced when considering only the melee classes, i chalenge you to find a caster (yes, even clerics) who can't do this.

What didn't make sense was putting some guy in his pajamas in front of you to take the blows, because he is better at it than a guy General patton would have been proud to stick at the head of his African campaign.

#1 monks can't taunt -- do you want a tank who can't taunt? #2 Uber monks, in uber guilds, were being used to tank rampage; not because they were better tanks, but because they could FD off the rampage list instead of dying. . . unless FD failed, then they got turned into monkpaste.

I realize this has been beaten to death on guild boards, but monks weren't even close to balanced before. They NEEDED to be nerfed, they had ZERO weaknesses.

maybe if you think that

I'm playing the typical mid-game monk (primal, FoL, 3khp, 1200ac)

Is the average monk, but it isn't. Not by a long shot. The average monk wears Grey Flesh Tunic, or Veliuos quest, or Iceburrower Skin or PSC; twinks wear Fungi, real monks can't afford it. The average monk is pushing 2500 hps and 1100 ac at level 60, with an atk beween 1200 and 1300. The average character (including monks) has never touched a primal/prismatic weapon, nor any mob that drops a ST key.