TRADESKILLS SUCK!!!!

[phoenicks7]

I hope SUCK isn't considered profanity, if it is, I humbly apologize.

However.... I have a character who has all the tradeskills at 200 except Baking. Baking, ah the love of the oven... 2000+ Misty Picnics and I saw the lovely message.....

You have become better at Baking! (250)

Now, for my reward of spending long hours hitting the combine button... I carefully gathered the components... Blue Diamond, Diamond, Black Sapphire, Jacinth... 8 Bars of Velium, a vial of Purified Mana.... I proudly crafted the Artisan's Seal... and grabbed my well used Baking Spoon and placed them tenderly in the oven. I double checked... KEI on, Wis 255, Geerlok in place.... I took a moment to ponder my friend the baking spoon, who'd spent long hours with me at the mixing bowl and hit combine......

You lacked the skills to fashion this item.

WTF. That stinks... but hey, there's always a minimum of 5% failure rate. That doesn't make me feel better about the 3500p price tag on the attempt (price varies by Gem cost).... so I decided... what the heck, I'll try again. So once again, I gathered and fashioned all the necessary components, KEI, Wis 255, Geerlock, (I skipped the moment to the memory of my favorite Dairy Spoon.. (I wasn't emotionally attached to this one)) and hit combine (again).....

You lacked the skills to fashion this item.

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Yeah, at the risk of using profanity, I was quite upset. I petitioned that it was just WRONG that this should happen twice, and the retard who shall remain nameless said to me (this IS a quote)... "Well, the game uses a Random Number system to determine success and failure, so while it is unlikely that with a minimum 5% failure rate to fail twice in a row on a trivial item, it is theoretically possible to do so". (Spare me from Louis Skulnick).

So, finally after steaming for 2 days... I attempted the Tradeskill Trophy yet again.... all the steps, blah, blah, blah.. Combine....

You lacked the skills to fashion this item.

Son of a motherless Kromrif sleeping with a destitute Orc Legionaire.

I wasn't happy.

So, in summary, for this week, tradeskills suck. Not only has the player market on Drinal made it expensive to even THINK about skilling up.. (sm pc of Acrylia 40p.... 2sm pcs = Acrlyia Bits.... 3 Acrylia Bits = Acrylia Studs (2)..... that's 60p to attempt an Acrylia Studded Mask that at best will sell for 40p... do that math on 200 attempts to skill up from 158 to 182 *if you get away with only 200 attempts).

But, the combined item doesn't even sell back to the vendor for more than a couple of plat.... that's WRONG (yes, I know, this is not an original complaint)....

IMHO, SOI / Verrant has made tradeskills virtually meaningless as a means to earn cash. The player market in the bazaar has only succeeded in cheapening the value of what was once a viably marketable product. I no longer see the point.

And finally.... a Tradeskill Trophy is NODROP... IMHO, it should be a NOFAIL combine at skill level 250. I can honestly say that these 3 consecutive failures in the Tradeskill trophy have sapped every ounce of pride and accomplishment that I felt upon seeing my (250) message. I'm sure I'll get over it, but there's no point. There's no viable economic reason to waste countless hours and plat to seek tradeskill mastery any longer. Once it was a plateau to be strived for, now it's commonplace and meaningless.

I even had a guy ask me to "Just hit combine" for him on a couple of attempts at Reinforced Acrylia Tunic/Cloaks for him the other day. He actually said to me "I don't waste my time with tradeskills when there's people like you that do and will combine the parts for free when I bring them to you".

Needless to say, I was offended enough to NOT hit the Combine for him.
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[Chenier]

/comfort

*We* are very proud of you and your accomplishment. And dang right you said no to that weiner who wanted you to "just hit combine".

/big hugs

Son of a motherless Kromrif sleeping with a destitute Orc Legionaire.

This is hysterical, btw. =)

[Lilosh]

While I find your manner a bit... Unnerving, I definately empathise.


But one small thing. Two, actually:


1) Artisan's Seal + Dairy Spoon = GM Trophy. Which you had correct. But it *NEVER* trivials. People have *AT BEST* a 50-50 chance of making it. People have gone for 6-10 tries , at 250, without making it. Does it stink? Heck ya.

2) The market on EVERY server stinks for tradeskillers. If you arent farming your own stuff, then people who do farm are going to charge you 3 arms and 6.5 legs for it. It's everywhere, not just drinal.


And I *TOTALLY* agree about the inbred who said he didn't want to "Waste his time" when there are "People like you".

I should ask him to go farm pelts for me, because after all, All he has to do is press the A key a few times, and maybe click "Kick". (This may vary, depending on his class. This assumes his is a melee person)

-Lilosh

[Delfontes]

It takes a very long time to get over that, for me first attempt was 1 month before the second.

Thankfully I got it on my second attempt.

I would definately suggest trophies be no fail combine with a skill restrict of 250, even if they make it need to be unmodified.

I don't think it is reasonable to expect the average player to risk 4k (more for my brewer corker) per attempt. It makes it simply a toy for the rich, and not a badge of honor for a tradeskiller.

[Lilosh]

By that same token, Delfontes, you are sticking your definition of "Grandmaster" on everyone else.

If I am 225, or 241 with a geerlok, or 250, I will consider myself a Grandmaster. Until Sony tells me otherwise.

Bear in mind, SoE/Verant have never defined Grandmaster.

However, I do believe it is VERY VERY expensive. Probably too expensive. Maybe if they change the mounting recipe to require ONE bar of velium? Or changed Pure Mana to Distilled? Something to make it less then 4-5k.

-Lilosh

[Cigarskunk]

I feel your pain on having gone 0 for 3 in GM trophy attempts, but I need to remind you that the GM trophy trivial is 250+. If there was only a 5% failure rate at a 250 skill then that would put the trivial of the GM trophy at around 210 or so.

To give an illustration, I was baking some MTP for profit today - out of 110 combines I only had 45 success - not even 50% at a 245 baking plus GM trophy skill.

[splunge]

Ive always liked the idea of the GM trophy to be trivial at, oh, say 200, but you must have a required skill of 250 to attempt the combine.

[Draggar]

Re: TRADESKILLS SUCK!!!!

I even had a guy ask me to "Just hit combine" for him on a couple of attempts at Reinforced Acrylia Tunic/Cloaks for him the other day. He actually said to me "I don't waste my time with tradeskills when there's people like you that do and will combine the parts for free when I bring them to you".

Needless to say, I was offended enough to NOT hit the Combine for him.
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Being the rogue I am, I would have taken it all, pray he wan't in a group with me, and say "Oops I failed"...

I feel your pain. May the RNG work in your favor next time.

[Railina]

I'd like to see something like a "gradmaster's proof" trivial at 1, no fail, skill restricted to 250. No Drop, equipable to any slot (so people can inspect you to see it and know that you made it) it doesn't have to have any stats or any expensive components, it just has to say "yes, my skill is 250." If you think it needs some sort of functionality, give it a 2% mod to the skill it represents, that would bring the modified skill to 255. which we are told is the highest possible effecticve level, then possesion of one would be confirmation that you have the maximum possible chance of success on any item made in your trade.

[Carmaris]

Unless you're a JC enchanter, then you also have to offer proof of AA :P

[kiztent]

I'd like to see something like a "gradmaster's proof" trivial at 1, no fail, skill restricted to 250. No Drop, equipable to any slot (so people can inspect you to see it and know that you made it) it doesn't have to have any stats or any expensive components, it just has to say "yes, my skill is 250."

Why? Skill 242 with geerlok would be just as successful. You get to 250 only for your own satistfaction, not for any greater chance of success.

[Quinner Sparrowhawk]

Given the expense of the items, perhaps a trade level restriction of 180 (Give us shaman's a break, we just got our trophy and MUST be a minimum level to reach that level) AND a Trivial of 250 would be in order.

[Railina]

Why? Skill 242 with geerlok would be just as successful. You get to 250 only for your own satistfaction, not for any greater chance of success.

Geerloks raise your effective skill in relation to skill restricted combines too. Problem (pre)solved. (this also allows people with skill mod items greater than 5% to make the "proof" which item exists solely to provide evidence that you have the maximum possible chance of success.)

Given the expense of the items, perhaps a trade level restriction of 180 (Give us shaman's a break, we just got our trophy and MUST be a minimum level to reach that level) AND a Trivial of 250 would be in order.

Not sure if this was a response to my post. Treating it as if it were, i would expect the "alchemist's proof" to be skill restricted at 200, rather than 250, and still a no fail combine.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Re: TRADESKILLS SUCK!!!!

I hope SUCK isn't considered profanity, if it is, I humbly apologize.

We Do not *LIKE* the word, and it is profanity in the way you used it, but it also does not cross the line we have cut for profanity... I.E. It is allowed to be said on these boards... we prefer you don't use it, but we won't ban you for it either (unless you abuse the right and overuse it. ETC...)

[Delfontes]

I wasn't:

sticking your definition of "Grandmaster" on everyone else.

If you may recall in another thread, I stated specifically that my definition of GM is having the best possible chance for success, which is arguably 240 with 5% making it 252.

I only said 'unmodified' 250 to make it a bit more difficult. If going for a trophy I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect people to go that extra mile, which I would gladly have done. Got my trophy at 246 btw.


I'll modify my statement to:

No fail 250 skill restricted combine. So those Uber people at 220 smithing with 15% can get their toy too.