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  • #16
    A comma was used to indicate a separate statement, this may better have been done through the use of a period.

    I have to say though, this was a bit funny:

    Originally posted by Cigarskunk
    what's the big deal? You knew it was happening, it's not as though Fox News suddenly interupted the war coverage to break the news that we were losing an hour
    It's like someone non-jokingly complaining loudly, and no less than 10 times about the lack of cultural baking for trolls... which 98.5%* of EQ couldn't care less about, including 85%* of trolls.

    *Those percentages are from a poll of one person, myself, and may be + or - 2%.
    Newb Tradeskiller Extraordinairé.

    Baron Sorcerer of 62 levels and 2555 quads. Proud owner of the Sixth Shawl . Retired

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    • #17
      Why don't we just wait till Fall, then only fall back 30 minutes? then we'll be all nice and evened out, right?
      hehe
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      • #18
        Sorry Delftontes, I was possessed by Martha Stewart and made my own window blanket with an old Burgundy Velux blanket, some spare curtain rod rings, a yard of ribbon and some left over roast duck. They where all things I had in my house that I wasn't using so it was free.

        As for Arizona, the people in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan had better not hear about it; They've been wanting to be their own country for YEARS.

        As for the question of why bother with DLS? Well, the more north you live in the US, the more it makes sense. Today will be the first time since October that I'll be getting out of work and STILL have even a modicum of daylight.
        Morani
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        • #19
          left over roast duck
          Get many comments about the unique odor of your Blanket for Windows (TM)?
          Newb Tradeskiller Extraordinairé.

          Baron Sorcerer of 62 levels and 2555 quads. Proud owner of the Sixth Shawl . Retired

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          • #20
            Daylight savings time?

            Originally posted by lonewylfe
            Why don't we just wait till Fall, then only fall back 30 minutes? then we'll be all nice and evened out, right?
            hehe
            /AGREE

            (Cannot figure out why that solution wasn't implemented long ago ... )

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            • #21
              Phabos writes,
              Therefore, Delfontes, all you need to do is invent a window that will ONLY work with your blanket, and then force every home supply store to stock it and every contractor in your area to install ONLY your windows. That way, you win twice.
              Phab, you're scaring me. I thought *I* was supposed to be the evil one?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Delfontes
                Last I heard, many countries don't do it, Arizona seems to still be on the map without it.

                The few countries that do do it are trying to stay in sync with the US.
                /splutter

                Umm - what ON EARTH makes you think that the countries that have daylight saving time "are trying to stay in sync with the US"???

                The world does NOT revolve around the US, much as you would like it to!

                In fact, it is highly probable that the US took this tradition from the "old world" when they were colonised.

                Getting back to the subject: I like the fact we still have daylight saving time. My curtains aren't very thick, so I do get woken up by the sun in the morning - I also really like being able to actually see the sunlight when I leave uni in the evening!

                ...and of course, there's that one day in autumn where I am allowed to sleep and extra hour!
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cigarskunk
                  Will they send troops to help the oppressed people of Quebec liberate themselves from the tyrantical rule of the Canadian government. And most importantly, will this interfer with that wonderful iced tea they export to the US???
                  First thing we're gonna do is box up William Shatner, Celine Dion and Shania Twain in an air-tight container with about 20 min of breathable air. Ship it north 3rd class mail so it takes about 3 weeks to get there. And then let em know if they ever send anything so stupid south again they'll regret it. So it MIGHT cause some trouble with your tea.

                  What were we talking about again?
                  Moonlilly

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                  • #24
                    what ON EARTH makes you think that the countries that have daylight saving time "are trying to stay in sync with the US"???

                    The world does NOT revolve around the US, much as you would like it to!
                    Way to get off on a rant there, but ok....


                    1. The world does revolve around the US.
                    a. I live in california, 1 state, our economy in California is the 6th largest in the world, we passed France as a country last year if memory serves.
                    b. That has nothing to do with this thread.

                    2. About daylight savings time:

                    "The practice was first suggested in a whimsical essay by Benjamin
                    Franklin in 1784 [DAS - in _Journal de Paris]

                    It appears to have been adopted around the "civilized" world at roughly the same time 20 years later.

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                    Oh well, maybe it didn't come from where I thought it did exactly, but do some research before you flame:

                    http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/index.html
                    Newb Tradeskiller Extraordinairé.

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                    • #25
                      Just some information. The US did indeed start the use of DST (well after colonization). The rest of the world (those countries that follow it) uses their own version of it since 1996, however before that time they used the same DST that the US uses. Not because the US does it, (well not entirely) but because it does make sense. Those that don't use it, don't avoid it because the US uses it, they avoid it because it doesn't make sense for them to conserve daylight (in southern hemisphere/tropical countries) So yes we were first, but no the world doesn't revolve around us =)
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                      Daylight Saving Time begins for most of the United States at 2 a.m. on the first Sunday of April. Time reverts to standard time at 2 a.m. on the last Sunday of October. (Note that it is Daylight Saving (singular) Time, NOT Daylight SavingS Time. We are saving daylight, so it is singular and not plural.)

                      Daylight Saving Time, for the U.S. and its territories, is NOT observed in Hawaii, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, the Eastern Time Zone portion of the State of Indiana, and by most of Arizona (with the exception of the Navajo Indian Reservation in Arizona).

                      Other parts of the world observe Daylight Saving Time as well. While European nations have been taking advantage of the time change for decades, in 1996 the European Union (EU) standardized a EU-wide "summertime period." The EU version of Daylight Saving Time runs from the last Sunday in March through the last Sunday in October. During the summer, Russia's clocks are two hours ahead of standard time. During the winter, all 11 of the Russian time zones are an hour ahead of standard time. During the summer months, Russian clocks are advanced another hour ahead. With their high latitude, the two hours of Daylight Saving Time really helps to save daylight. In the southern hemisphere where summer comes in December, Daylight Saving Time is observed from October to March. Equatorial and tropical countries (lower latitudes) don't observe Daylight Saving Time since the daylight hours are similar during every season, so there's no advantage to moving clocks forward during the summer.

                      Daylight Saving time saves energy

                      One of the biggest reasons we change our clocks to Daylight Saving Time (DST) is that it saves energy. Energy use and the demand for electricity for lighting our homes is directly connected to when we go to bed and when we get up. Bedtime for most of us is late evening through the year. When we go to bed, we turn off the lights and TV.

                      In the average home, 25 percent of all the electricity we use is for lighting and small appliances, such as TVs, VCRs and stereos. A good percentage of energy consumed by lighting and appliances occurs in the evening when families are home. By moving the clock ahead one hour, we can cut the amount of electricity we consume each day.

                      Studies done by the U.S. Department of Transportation show that we trim the entire country's electricity usage by about one percent EACH DAY with Daylight Saving Time.

                      Daylight Saving Time "makes" the sun "set" one hour later and therefore reduces the period between sunset and bedtime by one hour. This means that less electricity would be used for lighting and appliances late in the day.

                      We also use less electricity because we are home fewer hours during the "longer" days of spring and summer. Most people plan outdoor activities in the extra daylight hours. When we are not at home, we don't turn on the appliances and lights. A poll done by the U.S. Department of Transportation indicated that Americans liked Daylight Saving Time because "there is more light in the evenings / can do more in the evenings."

                      Daylight Saving Time also saves a small amount of energy in the morning when we rise. Studies show that 70 percent of all Americans rise prior to 7 a.m. during the work week. During the summer months, sunrise is very early in the morning, so most people will wake after the sun rises. Because the sun is up, we will turn on fewer lights in our homes. Thus, we actually use less energy in the morning.

                      So, we save energy in both the evening and the morning because we use less electricity for lighting and appliances.

                      In the winter, the afternoon Daylight Saving Time advantage is offset by the morning's need for more lighting. In spring and fall, the advantage is less than one hour. So, Daylight Saving Time saves energy for lighting in all seasons of the year except for the four darkest months of winter (November, December, January and February) when the afternoon advantage is offset by the need for lighting because of late sunrise.

                      But why do we have Daylight Saving Time to begin with? Who created the law that we follow?



                      History of Daylight Saving time

                      Daylight Saving Time is a change in the standard time of each time zone. Time zones were first used by the railroads in 1883 to standardize their schedules. According to The Canadian Encyclopedia Plus by McClelland & Stewart Inc., Canada's "[Sir Sandford] Fleming also played a key role in the development of a worldwide system of keeping time. Trains had made obsolete the old system where every major cities and regions set clocks according to local astronomical conditions. Fleming advocated the adoption of a standard or mean time and hourly variations from that according to established time zones. He was instrumental in convening an International Prime Meridian Conference in Washington in 1884 at which the system of international standard time -- still in use today -- was adopted."

                      In 1918, Congress made the U.S. rail zones official under federal law and gave the responsibility to make any changes to the Interstate Commerce Commission, the only federal transportation regulatory agency at the time. When Congress created the Department of Transportation in 1966, it transferred the responsibility for the time laws to the new department.

                      The American law by which we turn our clock forward in the spring and back in the fall is known as the Uniform Time Act of 1966. The law does not require that anyone observe Daylight Saving Time; all the law says is that if we are going to observe Daylight Saving Time, it must be done uniformly.

                      Daylight Saving Time has been around for most of this century. In 1918, in order to conserve resources for the war effort, Congress placed the country on Daylight Saving Time for the remainder of WW I. It was observed for seven months in 1918 and 1919. The law, however, proved so unpopular (mostly because people rose earlier and went to bed earlier than we do today) that the law was later repealed.

                      When the country went to war again, Congress reinstated Daylight Saving Time on February 2, 1942. Time in the U.S. was advanced one hour to save energy. It remained advanced one hour forward year- round until September 30, 1945.

                      From 1945 to 1966, there was no federal law about Daylight Saving Time. So, states and localities were free to observe Daylight Saving Time or not.

                      This, however, caused confusion -- especially for the broadcasting industry, and for trains and buses. Because of the different local customs and laws, radio and TV stations and the transportation companies had to publish new schedules every time a state or town began or ended Daylight Saving Time.

                      By 1966, some 100 million Americans were observing Daylight Saving Time through their own local laws and customs. Congress decided to step in and end the confusion and establish one pattern across the country. The Uniform Time Act of 1966 (15 U.S. Code Section 260a) created Daylight Saving Time to begin on the last Sunday of April and to end on the last Sunday of October. Any area that wanted to be exempt from Daylight Saving Time could do so by passing a local ordinance. The law was amended in 1986 to begin Daylight Saving Time on the first Sunday in April.



                      Embargo changes Daylight Saving time

                      Following the 1973 Arab Oil Embargo, Congress put most of the nation on extended Daylight Saving Time for two years in hopes of saving additional energy. This experiment worked, but Congress did not continue the experiment in 1975 because of opposition -- mostly from the farming states.

                      In 1974, Daylight Saving Time lasted ten months and lasted for eight months in 1975, rather than the normal six months (then, May to October). The U.S. Department of Transportation -- which has jurisdiction over Daylight Saving Time in the U.S. -- studied the results of the experiment. It concluded:

                      Daylight Saving Time saves energy. Based on consumption figures for 1974 and 1975, The Department of Transportation says observing Daylight Saving Time in March and April saved the equivalent in energy of 10,000 barrels of oil each day -- a total of 600,000 barrels in each of those two years.

                      Daylight Saving Time saves lives and prevents traffic injuries. The earlier Daylight Saving Time allowed more people to travel home from work and school in daylight, which is much safer than darkness. And except for the months of November through February, Daylight Saving Time does not increase the morning hazard for those going to school and work.

                      Daylight Saving Time prevents crime. Because people get home from work and school and complete more errands and chores in daylight, Daylight Saving Time also seems to reduce people's exposure to various crimes, which are more common in darkness than in light.

                      The Department of Transportation estimated that 50 lives were saved and about 2,000 injuries were prevented in March and April of the study years. The department also estimated that $28 million was saved in traffic accident costs.



                      Congress and President Reagan change Daylight Saving time

                      Daylight Saving Time was changed slightly in 1986 when President Reagan signed Public Law 99-359. It changed Daylight Saving Time from the last Sunday in April to the first Sunday in April. No change was made to the ending date of the last Sunday in October.

                      This was done ostensibly to conserve energy during the month of April. Adding the entire month of April is estimated to save nationwide about 300,000 barrels of oil each year.
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                      So there =P

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                      • #26
                        Grimina - WOW 8) , I started the thread as a whim but really enjoyed your information. I will be using it in class. DST makes much more sense in light of your information. Thanks!
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Grimina
                          In the average home, 25 percent of all the electricity we use is for lighting and small appliances, such as TVs, VCRs and stereos.
                          Grimina
                          Sadly, the only reason reason I follow Daylight Saving Time is to stay in sync with the TV schedule.

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                          • #28
                            This is the kind of "useless" information that fascinates me. And it makes so much sense too! &lt;grin> Hmm, maybe that's why it was put into action.. <speaking sarcastically to myself>


                            THANKS Grimina!!!
                            Morani
                            Wanderer of Tunare,
                            Protector of The Mother's children.

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                            • #29
                              Ohhh, very informative. Thank you.

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                              • #30
                                lol. Yes, good reasons all of them. But I still HATE DST. It completely screws up my body clock. I spend a good month trying to get myself used to a new time system. Then I have to do it all over again in the Fall. And I spend amost the entire month grumpy. >
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