Tradeskillers not helping Tradeskillers

[mulleteer]

Hi guys

Tell me if you guys think I was wrong to be annoyed. Shortly after server was up. I notice a group killing in Fortress M. I also notice a reaver up in a 5 spawn.

I ask the group if they would mind if i pulled and killed the reaver.

They said no they were working on the same quest.

I said oh no worries do you guys mind sending me an invite for just the one kill.

They said sorry the group is full. I take a look and there is indeed 6 but a few of them look like bots some were in the low 60's.

I then mention that we cold form a raid for one kill.
The person replies the reaver is dead anyways.

I reply no its up over here.
The proceed to pull the mob and kill it but wipe on the remain adds.
I tell them it was karma that they died, however i do toss them a rez.

Under the rules of the game i could have pulled the mob and killed it but I choose to give them the first shot

Would it have been that hard to let me get credit for the one kill? I know for a fact if the situation had been reversed i wold have dropped my bot to give them credit. Or at least formed a raid.

These quests are a pain imho if fellow tradeskillers can help each other out we should.

Take Care

MUlleteer Combover

[GrimwoodCT]

EQ is a competitive game. Huge sums of many can be gained by completing this quest.

Think of it this way. These guys did not know you, were not guildies and you could be a potential competitor in the field of sublime augs. They owed you nothing.

I have been driven off of dozens of camps for materials/drops since 1999.

You just got a taste of it.

I feel bad but I've felt worse.

[Pootle]

Well competative is one way of looking at the game, but another would be that its a community, especially, as the first poster stated, for us tradeskillers.

I would go out of my way to help out any tradeskillers, and for the tiny job of forming a raid for one mob or dropping a bot.... sheesh.

I hope you get your kills Mulleteer, and props for rezing them after the 'poopy' way they treated you. You sir, are a Gentleman!

[Drukin]

If that's what you want to do (tradeskillers helping tradeskillers), then by all means do so. I think it's rather presumptuous of you to try to instill your own beliefs in how you play the game onto others.

I haven't grouped with anyone in EQ for going on 6 years now, and I have no desire to break that trend... even if it's just to kill one mob. I'm fine on my own thank you very much and enjoy the game tremendously by playing that way. If you want to turn around and go do what you want whether that is finding other people to group with or soloing, that's great. If you want to sit there and harass me by trying to come up with other ways to group with me, and send me tells after I've died that certainly is your perogative, but I see it as nothing more than harassment.

Many people go LFG, and many people join guilds and create extensive networks of friends to play with and I think that is fantastic. That is not what I have chosen to do however and it would be really great if others respected my decision to play the game how I want to, since I certainly provide them with that level of respect.

Personally, I would have had you on /ignore by the second tell and I certainly would not have accepted your rez. It's not like you've just pulled me from a burning car wreck or something by casting a video game spell on a dead video game character. I am quite capable of rezzing myself and would much prefer to do so.

For me, I very much enjoy the anonimity EQ provides. It really does provide a great escape for me when I get the opportunity to log on and play. I don't play it to make friends and I don't play it to bring anything of real life into the game. I'd prefer to keep my interactions with others confined to buying from them and selling to them in the bazaar. I don't return tells usually, and when people won't leave it alone I just put them on /ignore.

[Anterouk]

Posted by Drukin:-
`For me, I very much enjoy the anonimity EQ provides. It really does provide a great escape for me when I get the opportunity to log on and play. I don't play it to make friends and I don't play it to bring anything of real life into the game. I'd prefer to keep my interactions with others confined to buying from them and selling to them in the bazaar. I don't return tells usually, and when people won't leave it alone I just put them on /ignore.'


Shame we cant do the same to you on this message board.

[thomenthechanter]

No attack intended --- this is pure curiosity. Not that I'm one to talk, having a four-box team that I pull out when I can't find a group in short order...

Drukin, how much do you spend per month on accounts so that you can play alone? Wouldn't it make much more sense to play Oblivion or a similar single-player game if you're not at all interested in the community aspect of an MMORPG?

[Drukin]

I agree that an /ignore feature on not only these forums but many others would be great. It's a pity that so few have such a feature. Strange way of looking at it I suppose, but I actually wish all the people that say or have said they put me on ignore actually did so - it's kind of like saying "I don't want to talk to you anymore or hear what you have to say", which is all I really want anyway.

How much I pay isn't an issue at all in my opinion. It's simply a cost for entertainment. If that amount was something that is missed every month / 6 months / year, then that is one thing, but it's not at all. I guess it's like going out and buying a Corvette Z06 for $75k, when a $15k Cobalt is all you really need. For some, they strap themselves financially to buy the Z06 which definately isn't smart. For others though, the money isn't an issue at all and they buy what they like, rather than buying what is practical.

I certainly could play Oblivion or some other single player game, but they aren't EQ. If there were a single player version of EQ (I don't mean an alternative, but exactly EQ where you are the only person playing), then I would play that in a heartbeat. Some play for the social aspect, I play for the game itself. There is no other game that has the exact same geography as EQ, no other game that has the exact same spells that do the exact same things, etc. Since there is no single player version, I'm happy to play the multiplayer version - I'd just prefer to be left alone to play it the way that I get the most enjoyment from, and isn't that what it should be about? Enjoying the game to the maximum extent possible?

I have seen so many people playing the game and hating it. Invariably, they tend to be people who are never happy with where they are in the game - their guild doesn't raid enough or advance fast enough, the loot they get isn't good enough, other people get items they think they deserve etc. Eventually they quit and look back at their EQ playing days with disdain. Life is so unbelievably short - out of the billions of years the planet has been here (and hopefully will continue to be here) you are here for only an undetectable blip. Make the most of it I say and live it how YOU want to live it. I would never presume to tell someone how they should play a game or spend their life - that's why I have have the unbelieveable privilege of having my own life to do with what I choose. I would never tell someone they should play EQ the way I do because it's the right way. The only person I'm sure it's right for is me. If the next person down the line gets enjoyment from raiding and grouping, then I would love nothing else but to see that person raiding and grouping.

[Flehmen]

I agree that an /ignore feature on not only these forums but many others would be great. It's a pity that so few have such a feature. Strange way of looking at it I suppose, but I actually wish all the people that say or have said they put me on ignore actually did so - it's kind of like saying "I don't want to talk to you anymore or hear what you have to say", which is all I really want anyway.

Neither one way nor the other on this one. I tend to not play in groups(PUGs) as someone is always jumping on ever corpse to make sure they get the good stuff, someone is always pulling way over their head, and someone is picking their nose. Even did the guild thing, was an officer, put lots of time into it both in game and out... meh, was the worst EQ experience ever.

However, I did want to add that there is an ignore function, top left corner under User CP. You guys enjoy.

[Drukin]

Awesome, thank you Flehmen! I had no idea that functionality was there.

Now if they would only lift the restriction that stops you from putting a moderator or administrator on ignore...

[Maevenniia]

Well....if you really want to be ignored by Moderators....I have a handy little BAN-zooka I can use.....



(it's a JOKE people, m'kay?)

[Drukin]

No offense, but it just seems there are a couple of admins/moderators that either only post complaints about how bad this is or how exhausting that is, or only post to tell users what they should or shouldn't be posting.

I completely understand that it's their site and they are of course free to post and do whatever they want, I just thought it would be a handy alternative to scrolling past their posts.

[Maevenniia]

...you do not want to see what kind of cesspool the forums would become if there were no moderators "to tell users what they should or shouldn't be posting."

And a moderator cannot very well tell a poster they broke the rules (& which rule they broke), if posters can simply add mods to the ignore list....now can they?

[Drukin]

True that, but there is always just flat out banning if a poster doesn't abide by the rules, either because they simply don't listen to what they are told or because they have a moderator / admin on ignore.

I'm probably just being to analytical about it, and people probably won't understand my view on it anyway, but...

Some poster puts up something that is a complete waste of time to read and is against the rules of the forum because it doesn't contain anything of substance. Moderator comes along and posts a message that in and of itself doesn't contain anything of substance either, basically telling the original poster that their message doesn't contain anything of substance. Now as a reader of this, you don't really have any way to proactively ignore what the original poster has posted (unless you've had them on ignore already), but with the ability to ignore a moderator / admin, at least you don't have to read the second message that is really just as pointless as the first message.

I guess I just don't put as much importance on an Internet message board as some others may. The rules are made by the people who run it. If I don't follow those rules, just ban me (or whoever breaks the rules) - I honestly wouldn't take it personally, it's only a message board after all. It's not like someone is being charged with a criminal offense or being fired from a job or something that is actually important.

[Maevenniia]

1) Flat-out bannings with no warnings / explanations (esp for minor infractions) will quickly get us vilified as N A Z I moderators from H-E-double-hockeysticks.


2) When we post a public message in a thread, it's usually because it's an opportunity to educate / remind, not just the rule-breaker, but others reading the post, of the rules & behaviour expected from people using these forums....it allows folks to get a feeling of where to draw the line, by seeing examples of what is not acceptable.

Usually it's small stuff, although sometimes a certain itty-bitty redhead may blow her stack when some of the monkeys have forgotten their manners and started flinging poo all over her living room

[Elyssanda]

Leave the mods alone please. If you dont like them, go away and dont come back. This is not an SOE site. It is the Denmum's site her hubby just happens to have been hired by SOE and he is nice enough to drop by and listen/chat with us. The mod's follow her rules. This is *her* house and we are all guests.