Just a 'lil vent

[Olidan]

I don't play all that much these days, and I don't know anything about template thingies or whatever you kids are doing these days.......

All I know is my Elaborate Moonsilver Robes - which used to fetch 500k+ fairly easily - now sell for 40k each in the bazaar. SO I DO NOT LIKE IT!



And, so long as I am whining anyway , I surely do miss the days when you had to work the /ooc in a crowded zone to sell anything. Bazaar + serverwide chats may have added convenience, but the price was SO NOT WORTH IT imo.


I used to make imbued ivory earrings and then hunt down Barb Shamans from zone to zone offering them in trade for their forest loops. They would take the upgrade in a heartbeat, and I would then be on my way to an NPC vendor to collect my 570pp return on my 40pp investment on the imbued ivories.... THAT WAS FUN!!!


The INDIVIDUALITY of the characters in the game is one of the things that made EQ so fun. But now that everyone can insta port all over Norrath and Luclin, everyone can cast buffs with potions of all sorts, and every buyer and seller and crunched into the exact same bazaar autobot format just makes it all so....... bland.

And now, we have given folks the ability to make what was once hand-crafted, exclusive, prized and valuable armors with a mass producing factory production line at a fraction of the cost!

The Grand Conspiracy of Homogenity makes Olidan sad.

[GrimwoodCT]

The paradigm shifted.

It is not a pleasant feeling when the rug is pulled out from beneath you. A good business-person learns to anticipate changes and alter their own business plan when things do change.

History is full of examples:
-the rise of ironclads making wooden ships vulnerable
-the change from bronze to steel in ancient weapons/armor
-propeller driven military aircraft vs. jet propelled
-large changes in the price of oil making certain car models undesirable.

I've been stuck in the same situation many times in my 8+ years of playing EQ.
A Marine friend of mine preaches the importance of the OODA Loop.

Orient
Observe
Decide
Act

By utilizing the OODA Loop you become more capable of preparing yourself for changes and reacting positively to them. Once you begin using the OODA Loop you see that it is necessary to repeat it as new challenges arise. THe ability of a individual/business/organization is marked by how often the OODA Loop is used. The more self-aware you are the more often you use the Loop. You constantly evaluate your surrounding and how you are going to react to them.

Grim/Squeaky

[melkorr]

Are you honestly saying you think your armor was worth 500k for 1 item? Come on now. The whole reason prices were like that were BECAUSE of the mass production you seem to hate so much. Farmers who couldn't even spell "cultural smithing" farmed the ingredients into the ground, then jacked up the bazaar prices. Then resellers bought up all the farmer's supply, and jacked prices up some more. Personally, I believe they can do that as much as they want, as watching the bazaar rise and crash in it's little cycle amuses me (especially when all the farmers got stuck with stacks of useless comps when cutural recipes changed), but there's no way I'm paying 500k for something like that. 40k is a fair price now. it costs 10k maybe to make one, if you buy the ore and loam in bazaar. Way less if you farm your own. Quadrupling the price to account for high skill requirement and quested patterns, etc, I can understand. Complaining because you can't churn out items that cost 10k and sell for 500k makes me sad inside. Tradeskilling isn't about instant free plat.

Also, do you really think letting people sell things while AFK in bazaar is such a terrible thing? I don't have the time between work, classes, and my life to stand around in the EC tunnel /auctioning stuff. The bazaar gives everyone an equal chance at the market. It also creates an environment where we get to play with a free market experience in EQ. (It might not be completely free, but more free than any real market short of anarchy).

If you want to sell those robes for 500k, go right ahead. I guarantee you, nobody would by it. As you said, you don't know about the new cultural stuff. look at it, and then tell me why 1 robe is worth 500k. If you don't like the bazaar, go stand in a zone (Guild lobby seems to be the most crowded these days, after bazaar), and /ooc your stuff. Nobody's forcing you to change (directly). Indirectly, of course, the free market changes, as such markets always do. Keep up, or get swept under.

[Bobaten]

500k was certainly a "fair" price before the change, when the raw materials for the robes were selling for 300k (and up). So I could see how it would suck to get caught with a robe made when the raw materials suddenly sell for 1% of what they did.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Of course this would have happened also if the "only" thing I did was fix the drop rate of the (original) coarse spider silk. The silk would have become more available and prices would have dropped.

[Olidan]

sorry

[Olidan]

Are you honestly saying you think your armor was worth 500k for 1 item?

No. I do not use the word worth with respect to items I might sell in EQ. It only leads to confusion and meaningless arguments.

Also, do you really think letting people sell things while AFK in bazaar is such a terrible thing?

Terrible might be too strong a word. But it certainly doesn't allow for the same kind of real-time, creative trading environment that was so enjoyable before the bazaar was introduced.

If you want to sell those robes for 500k, go right ahead. I guarantee you, nobody would by it. As you said, you don't know about the new cultural stuff. look at it, and then tell me why 1 robe is worth 500k. If you don't like the bazaar, go stand in a zone (Guild lobby seems to be the most crowded these days, after bazaar), and /ooc your stuff. Nobody's forcing you to change (directly). Indirectly, of course, the free market changes, as such markets always do. Keep up, or get swept under.

You do not understand my post.

[Eggborn]

He did title the post a little vent.

[Wyvernwill]

Unfortunately, I will have to disagree with you on one thing... I could not do the pre-bazaar days anymore. The biggest issue with the entire situation was you either had to have the ability to box the trader or you had to sit in the zone while ignoring group/raids. It worked well seven years ago when I was on summer break and didn't have a job... now days, I just can not afford the time myself.

To each their own, we all have personal preferences with things like that. My biggest annoyance was people whining/bartering for a better price... especially with trades. My theory is... I set my price, you want it you pay my price, I don't really care if your dog will cry because you need it and are "10k short".

[KyrosKrane]

Heh. To me, what's even more amusing is when I wake up in the morning and check my trader to find that overnight, some guy had sent several tells, asking my AFK trader to bring down the price ... five or six times ... each time offering a slightly higher price ... and then eventually buying the item off my trader at sticker price. I never knew an AFK trader could be such a great negotiator.

It's even more amusing since the first few words of my trader's AFK message are, "I do NOT read tells here. If you need help, send a tell or email to Kyroskrane."

[Flungmuk]

I use to play on Sol Ro before. And in the days pre bazaar, the trader area wasnt something simple like EC.
Nope, it was Gfay.
As an Ogre, it made life dificult.

Now I'm back, and starting fresh on Stromm, and there I see some odd pricing. Maybe its just diferent and can be called server dynamics.
But level 20ish research items selling for 200pp each, Netherbain Chitin selling for 20k...But, a Woven Cresent Robe, not something I had seen drop in Cresent Reach (leveling 5-20) I picked up for 20pp.

[Olidan]

Ok I have done some messing around with new recipes.


I made a full suit of Elaborate Moonsilver and a full suit of Elaborate Seashine, plus about 20-something Eminent symbols. The only fail I had on ANY of it was on one symbol, and I salvaged almost everything anyway.

Is the success rate supposed to be this high? The old stuff was much more difficult to make due to fail rate.

[Bobaten]

The fail rate penalty was removed from the cultural armor with the revamp. If you have the materials, and you have the skill, you can make the armor. Much better than the old system where you expected to need 2-3 times the required material, and high skill didn't help. Moving into the level 80 armor, we may once again have a high fail rate, but this time due to high trivials(that you can compensate for with skill/aa's/trophy) rather than with a set fail rate.