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  • Plat Sites, Farmers & The Tradeskiller

    I don't care for plat sites and their farming teams but to play devil's advocate I have been wondering if they are truly a vile posion to the game or a necessary, an evil no less pernicious than Walmart or Microsoft.

    I'd like to look at two aspects of such sites/farm teams.

    The Farmers:
    On Cazic server there are 5-6 farming teams (at the very least) that concentrate primarily on cultural GM materials. On any visit to the Bazaar there are the "usual suspects" selling purescale ore, metallic drake scales and glossy drake hides. Their prices are generally reasonable (1-2k above the individual players' pricing but in large quantities) since they compete amongst each other. I've bought out 100s of MDS/GDH from them as I pushed to 300 tailoring and smithing.

    Now I prefer to deal with individual players (I've developed a vertiable cottage industry recruiting a few dozen players to farm for me and paying a decent price for the culutural materials). But, their supplies are limited, they choose to hunt other zones, RL interferes, etc. But the farming teams are almost always there, full up with materials ready for my business.

    So, do the farming teams present a "clear and present" danger to the sanctity of the game or are they a source of badly needed materials although said materials flow from a nameless, faceless corporation?

    No for the second, more controversial part:

    Plat sites:
    I've never bought or sold platinum or any items online, nor have I sold plat or items for real cash to other players. I find it reprehensible. But, platinum is what drives the tradeskill engine. Fortunately, after almost 8 years of play I have a bankroll of gargantuan size. But, some players, new to the game, have been able to zoom though levels yet acquire very little lucre. There are plenty of level 65-75s without alot of platinum in their bank.

    When it comes time to equip themselves in droppable/attuneable gear the amount of platinum needed can be truly staggering. More than once I have had someone buy a full set of GM augs and inform me, "I just got my delivery for <<INSERT PLAT SITE HERE>> or else I couldn't have afforded this."

    So, second question. Do the plat sites help or hinder tradeskillers, permitting other players to develop a bank roll by which they can purchase our more expensive tradeskilled items?

    Food for thought and tinder for flaming.
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  • #2
    It's a vicious cycle.

    One player buys plat to fund buying tradeskill made gear.

    That tradeskiller has, pretty much without exception, had to buy items from farmers for skill-ups or final combines or both.

    Farmers grind tradeskill items to earn plat to sell.

    It's an inflationary cycle, it's ubiquitous and no one seems to have a valid working solution.

    So I generally just try to turn a blind eye. I'm not on a PVP server so it's pretty hard for someone else to negatively impact my own play over the long term. (I might not get a camp I want due to a farmer, or I might have to help shaman friends do the 1.5 pre-quest because of AoN farmers, but that effects less then 20% of my time I'd say.)

    But I also know a group of people who farm Nest missions for exp for 6+ hours a day nearly every day. So perhaps some of the "usual suspects" for farmers of MDS etc are real players who just constantly hunt in those areas to begin with. (A bard friend, his 2-box shaman and me rotated people thru our Nest mission for 6 hours a day five straight days my last semester break, so I know it happens.)
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Itek View Post
      ...my last semester break, so I know it happens.)
      Will you hurry up and finish school

      On topic, I don't condone plat buying. That's my opinion.
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      • #4
        SOE has tried to "legalize" plat selling in EQ2. Of course they take a cut.

        I left shortly after it was implemented but i know many people with time on their hands saw it as an income opportunity. SOE explains here what their thinking was.

        I am sure we have all heard rumours of students financing their way through college, issues over property rights in divorces concerning online assets and other legal issues challenged in the courts over virtual assets. I do not personally find it "reprehensible" but it instead it is extremely interesting as we become ever more dependant on plastic debit cards and embedded chips in our body that can be scanned to deduct payment.

        SOE has a huge issue in a long standing game like EQ1 to bridge the gap between a newb player starting today versus a level 75 with maxxed aa's. I thought TSS did an admirable job for a first time effort at that problem. If a newb wishes to short circuit his path to a usable raiding character by power levelling or buying plat to fund his growth, then I fail to see how, when properly managed, that can be any worse than other grey area activities.

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        • #5
          After much thought about your post, I have come to my own conclusion that I do not mind these "corporate" farm teams as they do pump much needed tskill material into our enconomy. I really don't even mind people paying for plat either, because in reality it has almost no effect on my gameplay.

          A newbie can buy a PLed toon now with almost max AA and full Anguish gear now on many servers. The thing is, as soon as I group with one of them - I know it. They play like a teenager driving a sports car...aka they suck at it. Does that affect my gameplay? No. Why? Because as soon as I can tell they have not leveled their character or have no idea how to play the class, I drop them like a bad habit.

          The real issue I have is with inflationary buyer/sellers. On Maelin, there are a few mules that buy up a ton of GM tradeskill materials as well as other essential drops, and slowly but surely begin jacking the price. I now have guildies that help me with this issue as they buy tskill materials for me while I am at work if they see the materials at a certain price. It's the only method I have for denying these mules any additional $$, besides doing my own farming. Honestly, I can make more pp farming certain zones then a mule can make jacking the price of MDS by 5k each. That's just cheap nickle and dime crap that I can't stand.

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          • #6
            I am fine w/ farmers and plat buyers/sellers etc

            I hate the people who jack up prices tho as well
            An example.. near the time DoN came out radiants/ebons were 100-200 p apiece
            a while later they started dropping..50..40..30..
            Bottomed out at 20 or so
            Mid-TSS area one night only one person had crystals up .. set them at like 75p each
            They have been in the 40-60 range since..

            Also, funny how Swiftblade of Zek went from like 20k prices preserver merge to 75-100k post XD
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ddemons Ddemise View Post
              I am fine w/ farmers and plat buyers/sellers etc

              I hate the people who jack up prices tho as well
              An example.. near the time DoN came out radiants/ebons were 100-200 p apiece
              a while later they started dropping..50..40..30..
              Bottomed out at 20 or so
              Mid-TSS area one night only one person had crystals up .. set them at like 75p each
              They have been in the 40-60 range since..

              Also, funny how Swiftblade of Zek went from like 20k prices preserver merge to 75-100k post XD

              So what you're saying is that you hate the free market. Because what you just described, is exactly what happens when you apply the laws of supply and demand.




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              • #8
                you know, the plat farmers/sellers are affecting server prices, in their own way.

                You'd think that if they farm tradeskill components prices would go down due to increased supply, but that's not the case, they keep the price at a certain point because they have a quota of plat they want to make from those sales....

                ...Then, they sell the plat to players, who buy up gear, prices on gear go up and at the same time the overall value of your platinum goes down, and it takes more to buy that item you want.
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                • #9
                  In other word, those farmers are causing inflations.

                  Those farmers sometimes do make things a bit harder for legimate farmer to make money. OTOH if they also buy cheap and sell high, I could farm a lot, sell cheap, and get money fast while they wait for suckers with money to burn to come along.

                  I do prefer some limit on those farmers including but not limited to camp hogging, use of illegal program to automate farming, exploits, hacking, and camp stealing / KSing

                  Sony should seriously consider selling platinums directly. The money they would earn creating money out of thin air would keep the subscription price down for a while longer.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Unapuma View Post
                    Sony should seriously consider selling platinums directly. The money they would earn creating money out of thin air would keep the subscription price down for a while longer.
                    Good God no. No no no, 1000 times no. The loss of accounts would far and away exceed any money they made by selling plat themselves. If there was any way to kill EQ for good, that would be it.




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                    • #11
                      Originally Posted by Unapuma:
                      Sony should seriously consider selling platinums directly. The money they would earn creating money out of thin air would keep the subscription price down for a while longer.

                      Sony is a govererment (somewhat loose interpetation but viable) any time a goverment "creates" money out of thin are a few things happen:

                      1) Immediant devaluation of exsisting money.. All the sudden a loaf of bread that sold at 1pp sells now for 20pp. You will need a lot more plat just to get by because the plat you have is no longer worth much.

                      2) Civil unrest. People who were considerered rich are now poor.. people who were poor are now completely out of the running. It produces anger .. sure there are always a few people who create personal wealth out of unrest but the vast majority suffer. Replace civil unrest with people leaving for other games in this instance.

                      There are other things that happen that don't apply simply because Norrath is an economy in a 'bubble' which doesn't happen in real life

                      On to plat selling: I would equate plat sellers to loan sharks with an exception. Instead of you paying back massive amounts of interest with a threat of personal violence to make sure you do so, the interest is instead spread out to everyone in the form of higher bazaar pricing. Plat is devalued due to the ease in getting it. Plat buying and selling hurts every one as a whole but I think since the damage is spread out it is midigated to an extent.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ddemons Ddemise View Post
                        I am fine w/ farmers and plat buyers/sellers etc

                        I hate the people who jack up prices tho as well
                        An example.. near the time DoN came out radiants/ebons were 100-200 p apiece
                        a while later they started dropping..50..40..30..
                        Bottomed out at 20 or so
                        Mid-TSS area one night only one person had crystals up .. set them at like 75p each
                        They have been in the 40-60 range since..

                        Also, funny how Swiftblade of Zek went from like 20k prices preserver merge to 75-100k post XD
                        If you don't think crystals should be 40-60pp, then get in the market and lower the price. It took me 4 days, and about 3000 crystals to lower the price on Prexus from 60+ (buyers at 31-32) to 29 (buyers at 21-22). The crystal sellers are often very competitive about beating or matching the lowest price. Undercut them by 1 or 2 pp, and an hour later they will have undercut you. Eventually someone gets in a market crash mindset and you don't even have to do anything.

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                        • #13
                          Yah, the only problem with doing that is an absolute inability to do so..
                          I have 1 account, and get maybe 1 group a month no matter how much I LFG
                          Also don't have the DoN faction high enough to get any of the tasks..

                          So yah, kinda hard for that

                          And my complaint to the 1st person who replied to me, was the fact that because only one guy had them up after a patch or sometin, were not many people in baz.. prices doubled..
                          So yes, if that means I hate free market, yes I do..
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                          • #14
                            You don't have to do missions to get crystals. Check out what buyers are offering for them.

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                            • #15
                              May end up trying that when laptop gets fixed =/
                              Evidently the battery is screwed up or sometin and stopped working completely last night ..

                              My computers always seem to screw up on the exact day I plan on going back to trying to level up ..
                              And I was planning on updating my magelo for the first time in like 5 months when I leveled heh
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