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  • #16
    I am inclined to agree with the difficulty of doing low level tradeskills in the present day, especially Research.

    Seven years ago, none of us had much cash and Research pages were sold to vendors, or if sold player to player, for a few gold or a plat or two.

    I have revived some old characters I started seven years ago recently and have been trying to work on their Research, but I am finding that without significant hunting solely for pages and pieces (working on a Mage and a Necro), I simply cannot afford to do the Research with what those characters can earn. Items that I could find on an NPC vendor for 3 plat are being sold in the Bazaar for 300, and some of the rare Words I recall saving to sell to Researchers seven years ago for huge totals in excess of 10 plat are going for a thousand now.

    It does come down to supply and demand, since people are interested in Research now that there is the high level Research available, but the low level players are the ones paying for it. A young Necro was begging anybody to sell her a Word she needed for her 24 pet for less than the 1400 the only copy available in the Bazaar was going for.

    Actually trying to practice Research is even worse for those who do not have high level characters bankrolling the Researcher. Competing with people who literally can spend tens of thousands of plat without noticing it to raise Research skill while the lower level Researchers are hunting for the few plat the lower level mobs drop (and they do drop huge amounts of money commpared to what many of us saw at those levels, but not enough to afford the prices lower level Research components are selling for) is not even realistic.

    And what does the low level Researcher do? He lives hand to mouth trying to afford his spells and hopes he can luck out and get enough drops to hire somebody else to make his spells for him, since he probably will not be able to maintain his Research skill beyond level 20 or so to make his own.

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    • #17
      I used to be pretty active with the low end research spells since I had a few avatars that hunted the old world zones for those pages, runes, and words. I had a nice little market of selling those old world spells going with a very generous mark-up since I was (and still am) guildless without a constant stream of supplies. But then one event occurred that ruined my market and desire to continue tradeskilling - one revamped Freeport. Suddenly my spells at 25 platinum in the Bazaar were collecting dust because merchants were selling nearly every old world spell for mere coinage. So either I ate the loss at trying to sell my scrolls at the merchant's value or just quit. Being jaded now, why aren't merchants selling all spells instead of just the low end? If such a situation existed, then there would be an uproar from high skilled researchers. But since the low end of EverQuest is dead and buried, removing the market for low end is not a noticable change... unless you were a casualty.

      Please do not take this as a rant, but just a disgruntled tradeskiller posting on a touchy subject matter.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Axlrose
        I used to be pretty active with the low end research spells since I had a few avatars that hunted the old world zones for those pages, runes, and words. I had a nice little market of selling those old world spells going with a very generous mark-up since I was (and still am) guildless without a constant stream of supplies. But then one event occurred that ruined my market and desire to continue tradeskilling - one revamped Freeport. Suddenly my spells at 25 platinum in the Bazaar were collecting dust because merchants were selling nearly every old world spell for mere coinage. So either I ate the loss at trying to sell my scrolls at the merchant's value or just quit. Being jaded now, why aren't merchants selling all spells instead of just the low end? If such a situation existed, then there would be an uproar from high skilled researchers. But since the low end of EverQuest is dead and buried, removing the market for low end is not a noticable change... unless you were a casualty.

        Please do not take this as a rant, but just a disgruntled tradeskiller posting on a touchy subject matter.
        This is the place for Ranting, that is why I am posting mine here...lol. I noticed another post where people are buying and selling Bone chips like mad and the poster was wondering why, I found one high triv like 404 spell that uses bone chips along with one other drop I believe some Vellum of some kind which I have noticed winding up in our Guild bank a lot lately. Imagine Bone chips selling for as much as they do and they are the easiest thing to farm IMHO, but a case in point of how the system is geared toward the High End player and not the lower end.

        Everything in the game is geared for them, I have noticed the new expansion does definately have some promise and I am taking a look at the research there with hopes that I can get my skills up there what with the hides stiff and otherwise dropping there I think it might just be easier but I gotta learn the new system with the inks and such.

        I just wish items like saltpeter and other items would also drop in other zones other than two or three at at all levels of mobs then maybe we the lower end might have a chance.

        Yes I am sort of ranting but I believe it or not have played this game off and on since 2000<surprise> I just get tired of one class or the other or one server or the other and have toons on almost all servers now and just about every class there is this is why I have not leveled up toons more than I have. Well, that and I up till this last year have been an over the road truck driver and it is hard to play a lot when you do that, also hard to find groups.
        But not to delve too much into my RL issues I have been battling depression since I can no longer earn a living doing my chosen profession < glaucoma and almost blind> and cannot seem to find work. Ok enough of that.

        I would like to see a general revision across all zones of plat drops and component drops just to see all, not just the high end players have a fighting chance.

        Durn, I am chatty this morning...lol. Well, I ahve bored you enough with this posting...later all.
        Strokker~Fennin Ro
        What makes a man a man? A friend of mine once wondered. Is it his origins? The way he comes to life? I don't think so. It's the choices he makes. Not how he starts things, but how he decides to end them.John Myer~Hellboy 2004

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        • #19
          I started out on the rough side as a tank, but there was one thing I learned fast. People want things, but aren't willing to go the distance to get them. At lvl 10, I spent almost a month clearing the orc camps in EC, moved onto WC for exp, then stayed at my level clearing the camps and selling the belts at 3pp each. From there, it was fairly slow going till I started getting into some more interesting camps in Sol B/Lower Guk, but then cash started coming faster.

          As for research especially, one thing I learned would be to work on the subcombines. Things like Oils of Vitrol, Aqua Fortis, Aqua Regia, Vial of Muratic Acid. At your level, you would even be able to exp in Plane of Innovation with a decent group. Not ideal, but most won't want the Saltpeter anyway.

          It's an added way to work up the skill.

          My other major thing I learned is that sometimes to get what you want, you have to do some not so enjoyable things to get there. I can't count the times I have went out and farmed for other people to get cash to fund my own endeavors. Again, not something that's ideal, but it works.

          At your level, you should be able to kill in Dulaks, which is a pretty good zone for money as well. Gems and other things sell, you should be able to make some decent exp as well, and you can also pick up Sulfur. Things like bloods/meats are used in other trades and people do buy them as well.

          There is no denying that higher level characters have a much easier life in game. But, that's the way it goes. Things get easier as you level, money gets easier to make, the areas you hunt provide higher desired items. Wish there was much option I could give you.

          Another good farming option when you get to 60+... Ssra temple, first floor. Shissar scales sell on my server around 500pp and are stable. Easy income spot and is moderate exp through to 70.

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          • #20
            Ok, you almost had my sympathy until you said "Level 50 magician".

            Back before I was even level 20, I was farming spiders in EK for sillks for leveling up tailoring. Then I'd go to highpass and level up brewing making heady kiolas. By my 20's I was selling the 10-slot handmade backpacks for 100pp each. (Which, btw, they still sell for that 6 years later)

            Obviously some of the old world stuff no longer sells to players, like Wu's silk for monk, banded armor, reinforced leather armor, cured silk armor, etc. etc. but they are still there for skill up recipes and easy to farm.

            You are neither "low level", nor should you be "poor". There are tons of places where you can farm 100p an hour or more. Try Crystal Caverns and wipe out the entire upper area with the orcs for awhile.

            As a magician, you are a farming machine. You should be able to clear entire newbie zones to get the supplies needed to make some skill ups in a variety of trades.

            Now, research is probably the toughest one to skill up in terms of finding parts. I made a post in the research forum that had some alternatives ( http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/showthread.php?t=25740 ).

            The fact is it's very time consuming, and most people don't have the patience to do tradeskills. Other people find it to be an integral part of our gaming experience, and don't mind taking time doing the work even though it means not getting any xp that day.

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            • #21
              Stokker--

              Here's what I would suggest:

              Work on the solutions. These sound expensive but if you are short on plat, you can farm the saltpeter and crytallized sulfur (and still get xp at your level). The investment would be in gold bars and fire emeralds to get you to 174, then gold bars and platinum bars to get you to 203. Beyond that I don't think it is reasonable to expect it NOT to be expensive. Be that as it may, if you get to 200 you will be able to make all the spells under the old research and probably the 61-63 spells as well.

              As far as farming for plat and tradeskills, seriously look at othmirs and holgreshes. You should be able to punk those and the furs can be used to get tailoring all the way up, but they also sell very well. So do the tinkering items that drop in PoI, and that's another spot that would be good xp for a group at your level.

              Part of your tradeskilling will involve choosing tradeskills you can work on relatively cheaply...baking & brewing are WAY cheap. Pottery is cheap compared to other high end stuff..super cheap to 200 and even making spherical bottles to 300 is cheap since the air-infused spring waters are not expensive in the bazaar. Fletching is cheap as all get out to 200 as well.
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              • #22
                I know this is an older thread but was researching Yttrium drop rate and thought to comment.

                So, how is it going Strokker?

                I agree with most of what you say.

                I agree with Maev when she says that leveling will help, especially into the mid-fifties...

                I got frustrated, sounds about like you were, and decied to completely stop tradeskilling about 3 months ago. I was constantly getting my butt handed to me by blues(now light blues) and just couldn't see how people were farming as they were claiming. Then when I did get camps people would come through(In hollowshade or DSP) and kill the named without even checking to see if anyone was in the zone with them and I'd have to start over fixing the war or whatever.

                Since that decision I've gained 150 levels across 7 toons, starting two from scratch and have had the most fun in forever. Everyone in my guild, especially our high level players, keeps telling me to forget tradeskills as they are just a waste of time. I tend to agree with them.

                Looking back, deciding to stop tradeskilling was the best decision I've ever made. Since then, I've dinged 300 brewing, added 50 points to my JC and even got some smithing points.... and a tinkering point.



                It'll be fun again, just give it time. Make it part of your gaming, not your existance.

                Ten.
                I call for the elimination of EQ levels 1-50.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Flehmen View Post

                  Looking back, deciding to stop tradeskilling was the best decision I've ever made. Since then, I've dinged 300 brewing, added 50 points to my JC and even got some smithing points.... and a tinkering point.

                  lol


                  Riiiiiight...you quit tradeskilling.....
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                  • #24
                    Exactly.
                    Last edited by Flehmen; 01-03-2007, 04:55 PM. Reason: ME spelt lik da oooger
                    I call for the elimination of EQ levels 1-50.

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                    • #25
                      My guildies suggested I look into a 12 step program for Trade Skills, but I told them I wasn't interested in something with only 12 steps. Even fishing goes to 200!!!
                      Fletcher 300 || Brewer 300 || Blacksmith 300 || Jeweler 300 || Tailor 300 || Baker 300 || Potter 300 || Tome Research 144

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                      • #26
                        LOL!

                        Well, when I made my new lil Drakkin mage and saw all the Tradeskill Quest NPC's in Cresant Reach I decided to do all the tradeskills to 54. That really didn't take very long, part from fishing.

                        Then I did the quest for Drakkin Cultural Armor book for Jouneyman stuff and figured.. why have the book if I can't make the armor? So... Skilled her up to 100 in all ( part from research - still working on that). All in all that have cost me maybe 2 K. I have made her Drakkin Robe/wrists/legs/hat + symbols.

                        She is now 27 and can farm a lot with ease. She can take on the Puma's in Cresant Reach 4-5 at a time and get 10-15 HQ Cat pelt for Quivers ( Low and Medium pelts gets converted to HQ Pelts in RM by Da Forager) so nothing gets wasted. Puma Skins are going to be used for pottery. She have also made roughly 20 Hand made backpacks out of farmed and vendor bought HQ Bearskins - those backpacks sold for 125pp each in the baz overnight. So all in all her tradeskilling habit is paying for itself so far.

                        I'm trying to get my shaman to 250 in Alchemy, but I'm a tad frustrated with the drop rates on the Red Cups needed, so I decided to do pottery with her.

                        All my toons do tradeskills - but none have over 250 in anything.. yet. I've been doing tradeskills for 2 years. So my advice is.. BE patient.. if frustrated either try another tradeskill or take a break from it.
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                        • #27
                          but I'm a tad frustrated with the drop rates on the Red Cups needed, so I decided to do pottery with her.
                          Look into the recipies that use deepwater ink and then nodding blue lilys, should go a bit easier for you.

                          ~Clio
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                          78th Wizard - 7th Hammer
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Maevenniia View Post
                            lol


                            Riiiiiight...you quit tradeskilling.....
                            I quit as well...honestly I did...no I didnt do any tailoring this week...honest.

                            /em hides the sewing kit

                            (I think I uttered these words at the last meeting of Tradeskillers Anonymous)
                            Diani The Chocolate Chef
                            High Elf Wizard of the 85th order of Brave New World on AB (VS refugee)
                            with the artisan charm, the signet of the arcane and the 8th coldain prayer shawl as trophy in the bank

                            baking 300 with Master Baker Trophy
                            brewing 300 with Master Brewer Trophy
                            fishing 200
                            fletching 300 with Master Fletcher Trophy
                            jewelry 300 with Intricate Jewelers Glass
                            pottery 300 with Harry Potter Trophy
                            research 300 with Ethereal Quill
                            smithing 300 with Master Smither Trophy
                            tailoring 300 with Master Tailor Trophy

                            Tinkering 293 with Expert Trophy (Dianii Inferioritycomplex, 71 gnome)
                            Alchemy 300 with Expert Trophy (Diaani Supermodel, 66 proud pink ogre)

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Diani View Post
                              (I think I uttered these words at the last meeting of Tradeskillers Anonymous)
                              "Hello, my name is Queletan, and I am a Tradeskillaholic. It's been two days since I clicked a combine button and my index finger is twitching like a hummingbird's wings."

                              I can just see it... EQ COPS: "yeah, we caught him dealing Crushed Diamond Dust in the plague huts in Commonlands, it happens sometimes. Such a sad thing to see a good Dwarf gone bad."

                              Q
                              Queletan Heartforge - House of Sloth
                              Exemplar of the Drunken Bearded Ones



                              ...That which we are, we are,--
                              One equal temper of heroic hearts,
                              Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will,
                              To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yeild.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Bara View Post
                                My guildies suggested I look into a 12 step program for Trade Skills, but I told them I wasn't interested in something with only 12 steps. Even fishing goes to 200!!!
                                I just spit my apple juice all of the monitor. Thanks.




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