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    Back in December I decided to give Spell Research a try. Like so many others, when I saw how difficult and expensive it was I gave up around lvl 210. A couple months ago I thought I would give it another try, and struggled to make lvl 243 on parchment solutions. Now I need to get my hands on large quantities of various Parchments to proceed. Sadly, I find that not many of these are available, at ANY price . At first I thought this was due to the release of PoR expansion luring everyone away from DoDh zones, but I hear the parchments also drop in some PoR zones (cannot confirm this). Must be very rare, cuz almost none for sale. I do not have any good char for getting mass quantities of parchments, so I must depend on the bazaar. In one month, I was only able to buy about 100 Grubby Fine Parchments, which is not much at all to skill up with.

    So, I decided to check EQPlayers to see who my competition was on Quellious Server. Wow, what a shock!! IF EQPlayers can be trusted (another major topic itself...) there are only 7 chars on Quellious that have reached Research lvl 243, only 6 of us at Expert lvl of 250+. There are over 150,000 chars on the server, and I estimate maybe 20% are Int casters, so maybe 30,000 chars available to attempt Spell Research. After 8 months of DoDh, only 6 chars out of 30,000 have reached Expert lvl? Only one char has made lvl 290+ (I know him -- he had help from his guild giving him stacks of components). No char has come close to lvl 300 on our server. Not one. OK, granted Spell Research is the King of all nasty tradeskills. No other skill is even 1/4 as difficult to advance in at high levels. So, not surprising that 99% of all casters would ignore it. Fine, more satisfaction for we that do . But seriously, 6 out of 30,000?? I cannot believe players on Quellious are so much lazier or weaker than those on other servers, so the problem must be lack of components. With only 3 chars between lvl 243 and 261, there is virtually no competition for grubby fine parchments, and yet I can only buy about 25 per week. Hoping that I will someday need Shabby parch, I also try to accumulate them but can only find about 10 per week. Something is seriously wrong here!!

    If the Devs want to make Spell Research a viable trade, then this problem of lack of parchments needs to be addressed soon. I would hate to see Research "dumbed down", like so many other skills in EQ. Extremely difficult Quests or Skills separate the casual player from the dedicated player and are a good thing. But, give those of us who cannot 2-box or solo hi lvl mobs a chance. I would suggest a solution similar to the one recently applied to Treant Branches in PoR... make the lowest 3 levels of parchments (Used, Grubby, Shabby) forageable. Rare, but forageable. Even if I could only forage 2 parchments per hour, I would try it and feel more hopeful than now. Solo farmers would go back to DoDh zones if they saw good profit potential in the bazaar.

    Hope Devs consider this idea soon. Even with reasonable quantities of Parchments available, Research would be extremely hard and expensive. With almost no parchments available now, Research is practically hopeless
    Last edited by Floosy; 04-30-2006, 03:44 PM.
    Sage Floosy
    #1 Human Tradeskiller on Quellious Server

    Master Baker, Brewer, Fletcher, Jeweler, Potter, Researcher, Smith, Tailor

    Sorceress Dynaah
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    Master Tinker
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    Are you just browsing traders or are you using barter mode? On Prexus I have no problems picking up about a stack of parchments a day, and thats with 5 other people in buyer mode looking for them.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bobaten
      Are you just browsing traders or are you using barter mode? On Prexus I have no problems picking up about a stack of parchments a day, and thats with 5 other people in buyer mode looking for them.

      I only have one account, so I do not have the luxury of having a buyer up while I play. But, I am in CONTINUOUS buyer mode when not playing. Only 1 other person offering on grubby's, and my buy price is more than 1000 pp above his. Also, I check the bazaar at least 5 times every day, paying up to double my offer price. With all this, I can manage a little more than 1 stack per week. Hm..... maybe I should make a test char on every server, have each check for parchments in bazaar for a week, then transfer my char to server with the best availability [Sounds kinda like Prexus ]. Just my bad luck to be on a server where parchments are used to light torches
      Sage Floosy
      #1 Human Tradeskiller on Quellious Server

      Master Baker, Brewer, Fletcher, Jeweler, Potter, Researcher, Smith, Tailor

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Floosy
        So, I decided to check EQPlayers to see who my competition was on Quellious Server. Wow, what a shock!! IF EQPlayers can be trusted (another major topic itself...) there are only 7 chars on Quellious that have reached Research lvl 243, only 6 of us at Expert lvl of 250+... Only one char has made lvl 290+ (I know him -- he had help from his guild giving him stacks of components). No char has come close to lvl 300 on our server. Not one.
        I don't have a subscription to EQPlayers and I don't know you, but I'm at 294 on the Quellious server and have had absolutely no help from my guild in collecting parchments. I'm able to buy an average of about 2 stacks of parchments for non-trivial combines per week. There are many others selling spells on Quellious, so I'm not quite able to recover my costs, but I'm slowly raising my skill level.

        At about a stack a week, you will probably reach 300 in roughly a year's time. Hard? Yes. Hopeless? No.
        Lanimelle Asterius
        Enchanter - Quellious Server
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        • #5
          Actually... I've found Spell Research as being one of the better tradeskills I have done to date. And that is after skilling on every tradeskill minus Tinkering. The Sub 200 combines were typical tradeskills, but with DoDH, the new system is perfect. You can skill almost the whole way up doing nothing but DoD combines, and at the same respect, if you save everything, nothing goes to waste.

          Also, I have yet to see anything wrong at all with the drop rate of parchments. But then again, I do DoDh missions still farming items that I want and usually I get 1-3 smugged runic parchments per mission. I rarely see anything other than Runics, but that's due to the level of missions I do.

          Also, I have had a fairly decent skill up rate for a while now. It's a difficult tradeskill, but it's also a worthwhile one.

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          • #6
            As an afterthought, since my skill is getting up there now, I am only looking for 63, 64, and 65 parchments now. Probably half the parchments I get are runics now, and I get fewer 63's than 64's. So I suspect to a certain extent parchments are suffering the same fate as coarse spider silk. People have settled into the expansion, and most of the grinding is done where only the higher parchments drop (69.1 hard for example). Whereas when the expansion was new, and everyone was scrambling to get the their spell missions done, most people were doing missions on easy, and therefore more of the lower parchments were entering the world.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bupper
              I don't have a subscription to EQPlayers and I don't know you, but I'm at 294 on the Quellious server and have had absolutely no help from my guild in collecting parchments. I'm able to buy an average of about 2 stacks of parchments for non-trivial combines per week. There are many others selling spells on Quellious, so I'm not quite able to recover my costs, but I'm slowly raising my skill level.

              Ah, the famous Lanimelle, #1 tradeskiller on the server. I bow to you .

              I made my check about 5 days ago, when you were at lvl 287. Took me a while to get time for such a long post, and did not re-check to see if anyone moved meanwhile. Also, the
              Leaderboards take a few days to refresh and tend to lag results a bit. You must have had a big Research run this weekend, eh?

              According to EQPlayers, you have been #2 in research for several weeks, and only in past few days moved above 290. Since I do not know you, this info is all I have to go on, but seems reasonably accurate. The #2 Researcher, at lvl 293, was #1 until just the past few days when you made your run. HE is the one I refer to in my posts, so no need for you to get excited dear.

              Also, plz remember that you are looking for different parchments from me, so you may have slightly better luck than me (2 stacks/wk vs. 1.5) due to somewhat less competiton at the very hi end.

              And besides, the fact that you are #1 Researcher on Quellious, only at lvl 294 after 8 months of DoDh, makes my original point I think...

              P.S. -- could you verify, for the record, what day you crossed lvl 290 in Research? I would like to know how much faith to place in EQPlayers
              Last edited by Floosy; 05-01-2006, 12:45 PM.
              Sage Floosy
              #1 Human Tradeskiller on Quellious Server

              Master Baker, Brewer, Fletcher, Jeweler, Potter, Researcher, Smith, Tailor

              Sorceress Dynaah
              #1 Tradeskiller on Quellious Server

              Master Tinker
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              • #8
                I am on Quellious. My research skill is 236 as of this weekend.

                I have quite a few parchments of the level 61-64 variety, banked on a mule atm, as I gradually skill up. I have a guildie who is also skilling up atm, so no doubt she is saving any parchments she gets. I'm sure others are doing the same.

                And no, I won't sell you my parchments
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                • #9
                  I don't know if any info from eqplayers can be accurate. Someone found a level 2 cleric with zero stats and 16,000 AA...

                  Another toon was found with alcohol tolerance at almost 300, which is impossible given the cap is 200 and no mod item gives that much over cap.

                  So it is possible there are more researchers on the servers that isn't listed in eqplayers (anonymous profile, auto update turned off, etc) and even a few that do show up as high skill researcher are in error.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Grolyn
                    I don't know if any info from eqplayers can be accurate.

                    I am the first to agree on this point. The person with the highest TS total on Quellious currently shows over 3500! Turns out it is someone with total of 1750+ being counted twice and added together for some reason . I keep waiting for him to post here as first member of the "3500 Club". LoL.

                    Realizing that database is, um, "unreliable", I cross-referenced the entries that appear legitimate with buyers in the bazaar, making careful note of what TS items they would currently be looking for, in addition to particular parchments. I believe I can name the buyers for 5 of the 6 Expert lvl Researchers now, so it all makes sense to me after some analysis. I have only seen 5 buyers of parchments of any sort in the past month, so I seriously doubt there are any "unknown" Expert researchers lurking on Quellious atm. And I have never heard anyone shout out "Master Researcher for hire!!", and never seen a toon with "Master Researcher" title (if that is what it would be!), so I seriously doubt any exist on Quellious. In the past couple months I have seen some evidence that we are one of the weaker servers in EQ, so not too surprising that we are struggling to produce even 1 or 2 Masters

                    Edit: btw, with a couple simple tricks you can find out the exact skills of anyone who is anon. However I failed to consider the turn off of auto-update. Still, all evidence points to a total of 6 Experts and no Master atm.
                    Last edited by Floosy; 05-01-2006, 09:54 PM.
                    Sage Floosy
                    #1 Human Tradeskiller on Quellious Server

                    Master Baker, Brewer, Fletcher, Jeweler, Potter, Researcher, Smith, Tailor

                    Sorceress Dynaah
                    #1 Tradeskiller on Quellious Server

                    Master Tinker
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                    • #11
                      I am also on Quellious, and while I'm still under 200 skill in research at the moment, I am also saving the parchments I come across for when I do reach the higher skill levels.

                      Too much time spent on smithing atm to do research, but it will come soon!
                      Ilona - Gwenae - Amarantha - Deandra - Minim

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Floosy
                        P.S. -- could you verify, for the record, what day you crossed lvl 290 in Research? I would like to know how much faith to place in EQPlayers
                        I wish I could say more precisely but I don't have good records. I have a note that I was at 285 on April 5. I definitely passed 290 more than a week ago, probably more than two weeks ago. Skill ups have been coming much more slowly recently.

                        It does seem true that there are fewer shabby and grubby parchments than grimy and smudged. I'm a little surprised by what you're seeing in EQPlayers because I think there are three 243+ Researchers in my guild alone.
                        Lanimelle Asterius
                        Enchanter - Quellious Server
                        2100 Club Member

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