Why is everything I make useless to me?

[GuildorOJemz]

requirements stink

I'm in a raiding guild as well and have used trades primarily as a source of income and gearing my alts than anything else.

The problem I've had with the latest stuff is not that I can't use any of it, but rather the restrictions and requirements and subsequent lack of value they have for people in general. Master's stuff with a required level of 55? Why? At 45 people can buy ornate stuff which is at least on a par, if not clearly better than what I've seen and may even be cheaper to buy. Add sufficating racial restrictions on top of it, and you have a very very small market. These restrictions really need to removed or at the very least lowered across the board. Heck even the journeyman stuff has restrictions? OMG why? I can take a level 1 to the baz and fully equip them with better dropped stuff without restrictions with far less time invested. No one is going to bother unless they just like to rollplay and even then by the times they are high enough to use the stuff, they will be seeking out or already have better.

Finally my last gripe is not being able to even tribute my useless wares. We routinely have to incorporate expensive store bought components into our recepies in addition to rare or uncommon drops only to end up with an item that as 0... no value at all.. to NPC merchants and lately no value to even our tribute masters. IMO we should at least be able to tribute this stuff.

[miakiss]

At 45 people can buy ornate stuff which is at least on a par, if not clearly better than what I've seen and may even be cheaper to buy.

Unless something has changed, or you are Firiona Vie, you have to be 55 to get Ornate.

Even if the quest has changed, you need to be 46 to even go into PoT.

So, to summarise, what we are saying in this thread is that raid gear is better than trade skill stuff...

If it wasn't then why would anyone raid???

[GuildorOJemz]

ahh.. you are right. Been so long since I messed with the stuff I forgot. Well it sounds like its right about where they want it to be then. Tribute value wouldn't hurt though.

[Dutchy]

So, to summarise, what we are saying in this thread is that raid gear is better than trade skill stuff...

If it wasn't then why would anyone raid???

The difference is getting bigger and bigger, with the release of PoP we had our hands on stuff with 120hp like earthweave and stonehide, stonewood compound bows. tradeskill stuff was in demand and we had a market, many people hitting the elementals in that time still used those untill their guild was able to get them better in the long run. After new expensions we lost any kind of comparising to raid gear, I mean OoW was fun... we can get soothsayers belts for 2k, benevolent girdles for 5K, chipped ring of bloodcalling for 5K, etc etc. now to compare OoW tradeskill stuff to those... I'm sorry but Feran Tunics? My stonehide beats those! not to mention I can resell that stuff later and the feran will be rotting on my alts later. Murkglider robes? Give me a break I'll stick with earthweave, same goes for the murkglider and bazu.... we could alrdy make things that where better a lot of expansions ago! Better bows than the PoP ones that we can create...? I have yet to see any. As for pottery the ceramic items that came out with PoP are still the most usefull..... and has anyone seen a better baking recipie yet than the bristlebanes party platter yet that also came out with PoP?

In the meanwhile raidgear is getting better and better, raidaugs are getting an enormous advantage over the player made ones that even makes the difference bigger, creating a huuuge difference that is not comparable to the difference it used to be, while us tradeskillers have been stuck in the stoneage Sony created for us years ago.

Let's all buy icecream churns for 15K and make ourselves some little snacks after we farm the components! YAY we can make icecream =) /sarcasm mode off

[Wyvernwill]

Actually, the statement about Murkglider/Feran stuff is a bit off.

Robe Of Strife
MAGIC ITEM ATTUNEABLE
Slot: CHEST
AC: 28
STR: +13 DEX: +12 CHA: +8 INT: +15 HP: +125 MANA: +135
SV FIRE: +15 SV DISEASE: +15 SV MAGIC: +15
Recommended level of 65
WT: 2.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: NEC WIZ MAG ENC
Race: ALL
Slot type 7:empty

Vs
Robe Of Ancient Earth
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: CHEST
AC: 25
STR: +12 DEX: +10 STA: +8 INT: +8 HP: +120 MANA: +50
SV DISEASE: +15 SV POISON: +15
Recommended level of 63
Required level of 46
WT: 2.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: NEC WIZ MAG ENC
Race: HUM ERU HIE DEF GNM IKS
FRG

I can not see any caster who wouldn't take the Robe of Strife over Robe of Ancient. Granted, the stats are very similar, which I will agree is disappointing to say the least, especially when you have to farm 4 VERY rare Essence of Discord for the robes.

As for Feran vs Stonehide
Feran Leggings Of Ice
MAGIC ITEM ATTUNEABLE
Slot: LEGS
AC: 32
STR: +10 DEX: +13 WIS: +15 HP: +130 MANA: +120 Endurance: +120
SV FIRE: +15 SV COLD: +15 SV POISON: +15
Recommended level of 65
WT: 2.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: DRU MNK BST
Race: ALL
Slot type 7:empty

Stonehide Leggings
MAGIC ITEM
Slot: LEGS
AC: 22
STR: +10 DEX: +8 STA: +6 WIS: +6 HP: +100 MANA: +40
Endurance: +40
SV DISEASE: +12 SV POISON: +12
Recommended level of 63
Required level of 46
WT: 1.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: DRU MNK BST
Race: HUM BAR ELF HEF TRL OGR
HFL IKS VAH
Slot type 7:empty

Again, the leggings are better. I chose leggings for this one because the Feran Tunic of Ice isn't on the site for copying stats :P Anyway, once again, the only thing disappointing is the 4 rare drops needed from Riftseekers to make these.

Though I agree with your point that we do need better tradeskilled gear that is more worthwhile so we have a market again of viable stuff... I mean come on... PoP made every single tradeskill a very viable means of profitting. Smithing/Tailoring/Fletching Elemental stuff sold extremely well. Jewelcrafting had great items all the way up from PoJ. Baking got some great foods, and Pottery had all of the major focus effect branches. Brewing didn't really benefit much though. (sorry for the tangent)

The point I do disagree on is that the PoP stuff is better than the OoW stuff. Yes, you have to gather 4 rare drops, however the PoP stuff you have to raid to get almost a dozen flags before you can even get the drops. Both are purchasable, so that's an even ground for both.

[Dutchy]

Actually, the statement about Murkglider/Feran stuff is a bit off.
The point I do disagree on is that the PoP stuff is better than the OoW stuff. Yes, you have to gather 4 rare drops, however the PoP stuff you have to raid to get almost a dozen flags before you can even get the drops. Both are purchasable, so that's an even ground for both.

Both are purchasable but I wouldnt call it an even ground, the 4 rare drops on my server are going for 100K each in the bazaar and are hardly ever for sale.... which makes these practically useless for creation and sales, which is why I wouldnt consider them a real upgrade... doubt anyone would buy/create these at 400k+ and I havent seen m in the bazaar yet either. so immensely rare which is why I compared the stonehide and earthweave to the (unupgraded) murkglider robe & feran tunic +sidepieces, in which cases PoP does beat OoW in my opinion.

Might just be on my server though, more populated servers might have the rare components actually available to create one of those for less than the price of 45 robes of ancient earth... (which yield better hp than the robe of strife due to stamina btw and since I'm personally a hp addict... it would be a toss up for me if they where the around same price)

[Wyvernwill]

It is an even ground, however it's a major shame that people price gouge things as high as they are on your server. If I see them on mine, they usually are about 35-50k. People see the tradeskill tag and find out it is a really rare item, they assume it's worth 100k easy. I've heard those same people cursing, moaning and groaning about lvl 3 Player made augments selling for 500k. In a sad way, I find it amusing when people shoot themselves in the foot by how things are priced in raw states and how it affects high demand things in finished states.

Back on the 4 rare items, if you hunt only those mobs, you do stand a really good chance at getting a couple a night. Yes, PoP Elem stuff is cheaper in bazaar, but if you farm both, you will find yourself spending about an equal amount of time hunting in the E Planes for some of the stuff. It took me almost 4 days to gather the components just to make one Stonehide Tunic back when I got eplane access. Some parts are very common, but the more rare parts are still tough to get. The best and worst addition to EQ was the Bazaar. Was great for getting rid of items you don't need, but it really made it more noticeable for others to see what items are "supposedly" worth and from there, keep the prices high.

If we go by the unupgraded parts, yeah... PoP kills OoW... but then again, that's where my tangent was going above... It should be the other way around by far. The unupgraded should be about equal to PoPs Eplanes stuff, with the upgraded being somewhere of a middle ground to Muramite armor and Eplanes, focuses would be nice too. DoN Cultural doesn't even come close either, even with the GM Aug, unless you feel like spending about 800k per piece of armor, then you can make some of them pretty nice, but they are all slot 7 gear. Most high end aug drops are Type 8... somedays things like this confuse me.

[Draggar]

First, you don't do tradeskills to imrpove 'your' character, you can 'enhance' them, though.

Misty picnics, Halas meat pies, Qeynos tea etc.. are just a few examples of enhancement.

Second, there are many items you can make that can be sold at a n9ice profit at a steady pace in the bazaar (think subcombines). Silk swatches, silk threads, leather paddings, etc.. Don't expect to pull in 10K overnight, but you can have a steady cash flow if you do it right.

Follow market demands, and pull back when it gets flooded. When there is a low of an item, sell it, when there is a high either don't sell (make) or buy up lower priced stock to sell when there is another shortage (I see silk swatches go from hundreds at 5GP each to a few at 10-15PP each in a week).

You mentioned all your skills are at 250. Which means you can make:
High end jewelery
Misty Picnics
Halas 10LB meat pies
Qeynos tea
Many high-end tailoring items (haze panther for the Rogues etc..)
Cultural items
High end bows and arrows
Steins
Nice smithed armor

Any one of those will sell well anywhere. Use the profits from these to buy new gear.