How come the evil races always get the shaft,

[Darknyss]

agree...

I agree that evil races have it tough in some ways... and in other ways goods have some tough times as well. Both sides have their ups and downs.

My only true concern is the exp penalty. I find it truly unfair that at the higher levels, it takes me 20% longer to gain AA's and levels than any race w/o the penalty. Even though at that point, most of the "racial bonuses" are barely noticeable or made trivial with the use of AA points or recent changes to the game.

AC bonus - barely noticable with higher lvl mobs and high AC gear, or tribute
Regen - new regen system for downtime, AA's, or tribute
nightvision - many new items w/ worn effects, spells, tribute
frontal stun - AA's, stun resist modifiers on items, new discs

At the higher level portion of the game, 20% less experience is a frustrating thing. Imagine knowing that after 5 AA points farmed, you would have had 6 if you were a human, and 6 + a buffer if you were a Halfling, who not only have great stats, but racial abilities of their own. And when your groupmates/guildmates ding their next level, you still have another yellow to go!

Maybe if the exp penalty were reduced over time, it would be a fair balance for having the bonuses during the earlier levels when they are significant. But at the higher levels, the exp-penalty is really a detractor to the balance and fun-value of the game.

[Moraganth]

I find it funny when people complain about EverQuest... yet they insist upon paying for it month after month.

I find it funny that people don't keep up on current events.... or even semi-recent events.

Not that long ago, at the player summit, Sony itself stated that they would increase the diligence of their testing to try to ensure less new material went live while broken (and that means broken, as in NOT WORKING).

Given the number of new items in the expansion that went live BROKEN, they're obviously failing. This expansion did not have to go live. There was no call for it to go live when it did.. they set the date, then pushed it live with broken content... instead of pushing back the date to fix those items. Even some things people bugged in beta, were left unfixed.

This, is what there is absolutely no reason for.

I'm also glad you read that EULA each time you, and your friends log in.. remember, only one person per account.

The costs involved with debugging the entire source SEVERELY outweighs the costs of tracking down bugs once they surface. (Granted, this could ultimately wind up providing MASSIVE amounts of duplicate effort, but that's their decision.) Sony COULD correct every single bug in the game to date, but that would take THOUSANDS of manhours to go back through ALL the code and debug the entire source. They might as well just re-write the entire thing from scratch.

Which is exactly my point. If they had the integrity to do things right the first time around, even if it meant delaying release of an expansion by a week or so, then it would be done RIGHT, fromt he very start.. instead of havign it pile up so that they can do nothing without the possibility of screwign something up unintentionally.

You may be happy and fine with all the flaws in the game, but your voice soothing Sony's ear only lulls them into a false sence of security in their status and position in the gaming world. Sony Online Entertainment is becoming known as a joke company that releases crap after crap, purely for profits.

I play the game because i like it, even with all the stupidity that goes on in it. With my voice, i want to make Sony aware that it is loosing it's claim of being a top company in the field, because it fails to produce good, clean, finished product.

Have to agree with Kheera... it's all about the Charisma. Admittedly, that wasn't easy to raise in the old days... But now it's just an Opal Stien or two

As a couple people have mentioned.. OT pricing has nothign to do with charisma, at least the part where the highest charisma modification still doesn't produce a price of 2x normal, and their buy price isn't half what normal is.

Other merchants have this greed factor.. Ping in wfreeport newbie gounds is another example.. however, OT was the only place that evils could buy certain spells.. there are no necro merchants in FV; however... you probably didn't know about the pricing there in kunark unless you've played an evil toon... and i suppose evil toons wouldn't know they were getting the shaft if they didn't have lighty friends, or unless someone spoke up and made them informed.

Well.... until you suggested Blizzard was better, you had me nodding a bit. But, I play WoW, some, though the lure of EQ was stronger. I read the boards of the guild my WoW character is in though (a branch of my EQ guild), and, ya know, people there are saying how clueless Blizzard is, how things are broken and not getting fixed, despite the loooong beta test (and rather seriously broken too in the highend)...

I haven't played WoW yet, and probably won't. I was speaking from Blizzards long standing way of doing things with their other games. Most games they made had minimal bugs in them, having their release dates pushed back (often several times) to deal with those.

They have had less success with hacking and duping in their online games though... so yeh, security is something they need to work on a bit.

The question becomes, though, is it gameplay, or content that is broken? Is it game play issues like.. that pallie is better than me tanking X mob, and i think my class at X level should be better (also known as game balance)? Or is it content that is simply wrong.. like.. the zoneline from Bazaar to Shadowhaven actually sends you to PoK (yet another thing that went to live servers from beta). Content that is wrong, like the zoneline snafu, is what i consider broken.

And.. charisma 259, unbuffed.

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Some people complain because they need to hear themselves talk.... I complain because i see a massive problem, that is continually repeated, that is causeing serious damage to the game.. and i'd like Sony to, for once, fix things, so the game can be better.

[Darknyss]

I haven't played WoW yet, and probably won't. I was speaking from Blizzards long standing way of doing things with their other games. Most games they made had minimal bugs in them, having their release dates pushed back (often several times) to deal with those.

Have you ever played Diablo II, online OR offline?!?!... riddled with bugs and exploits... The reason why EQ is so difficult to fix is because it's not open-source... Every game has bugs and problems... if we all waited for perfect code with no problems in an interactive video game world, it would become obsolete before it even got to marketing.

Imagine if Blizzard was coming out with WoW, while Sony was coming out with a "perfect" version of the first EQ.

But I do agree that the exp penalty is an outdated system... it made sense back when evils were given much more significant bonuses and roleplay was a real factor in class difficulty. But this is a problem that needs to be addressed at the character level, not the code level...

[Caprich]

Memoirs of Evil

I have to agree that trolls have the WORST smithing ever. Their cultural was essentially garbage... They were weapons no one would use, when they were new....

I have 8 Evil Toons. I grew up in all Evil guilds, and everyonce in a while I still have to take a small raid to rivervale...

I started playing in 2000, with my Dark Elf Warrior Caprich... It took me three weeks to find my way to oggok so I could by a fletching kit. I was the only dark elf I knew for about 8 months that could make arrows.

It took me about 6 months to get a light race newbie that would buy me a spit from the vendor in GFay, because Evil toons couldn't buy Spits.. Until they released Iksar with Kunark. I promptly took my welf bought spit out to sister island and roasted stacks and stacks and stacks of wood elf ears in celebration.

I started smithing by farming ore in lavastorm, and walking it back to neriak... So I could make my own sheet metal, because dark elves couldn't buy sheet metal. I was never happier reading a patch message than the day they made Sheet Metal stackable. At the time you would go linkdead if you were too encumbered... which was exsaperating as a smith.

I killed at least 25,000 Deathfist Orcs to get to Dubious with some of the Freeport factions, so I could start the warrior epic, and actually walk to the NPC's... Since I had once discovered walking to close to the casters guild took me 4 deaths before I could get my good corpse out far enough to where I could loot it.

I once helped an iksar monk in Fironia Vie... I got stuck in a nasty nasty nasty guard death loop. Back when GM's wouldn't help you out of a death loop. I lost level 36, all of the exp in 35 as a Hell Level, and was back into level 34, after over 45 resses.. I lost count after a while... Which was over a month of play time.

I have walked bags of ore from Rathe Mountains to Neriak.

I have been chased by Terrorantula so many times carrying stuff back to Neriak, I had a , "Terrorantula to Oasis Zone!" hotkey.

I worked on pottery when you had to walk to South Ro to get patterns that you would walk back to neriak to make.

There are a few changes I don't like....

1. I don't like that every new town is safe for all races. Personally, I don't want to listen to high elf cleric women flirt with people with cutesy little giggle say messages...

2. I don't like that there hasn't been a new evil race since kunark.

3. I don't like that they removed hell levels. Stupid people are now over level 45. Before stupid people would never get through 45, cause you lost 2 blue of exp after a 96% res... I liked that levels actually meant you had to have some skill and know how to play your class...Nowadays I meet clerics who specialize in nuking, and don't know they have Atone, much less what it does.

There are things I miss...

1. I miss people actually having to walk and learn new zones. New players don't know where anything is, with the map.

2. I miss Tradeskillers and Raiders being two seperate groups of people. I miss destroying items while trying to find new tradeskill combines. I miss having skills that people who raid constantly can't max out by selling two uber items in the bazaar and then buying all the ingredients I can't afford, because I was working on tradeskills instead of raiding...

6. I miss giving beggars 10,000 copper, so they could never get that character logged back in LOL. (They nerfed that a LONG while ago)

7. I miss TWINK being an insult.

8. I miss people on this board, who didn't feel they had to fix someone else's opnion.... Tinkercobblepot has an opinion. This is the primal scream room. Where he is supposed to come and VENT... He doesn't need his brain checked, or his opinion fixed, or lessons in what its like to be evil from someone who doesn't hunt an evil toon.

I have been attacked by the same NPC's he complains about.. It's extremely annoying to be attacked by your Allies...Now hunting the banker in Gfay.. that's just plain fun...

Overthere prices are terrible at Ally faction, except for one vendor who is on Neriak town factions. Max CHR or not, Overthere prices are terrible... make a lvl 1 dark elf rogue, walk over and check if ya don't believe.

Verant pushed out expansions way to fast. Long before this game was nicknamed Evercrack, it was nicknamed Everpatch by the players. Ask anyone who played when Kunark went live... Sony is a HUGE improvement bug wise... Even if I did try to attack the Troll Cultural forge for being unlabled for months on end...

Oh and almost every single expansion, there has been something seriously wrong in the Code for Trolls... You want a list type / Troll on your server and ask them... But don't say I didn't warn you the list would be LONG.

*Passes Tinkercobblepot a Bottle of Boot Beer, and some Roasted Wood Elf ears*

[Angelsyn]

I have to agree that trolls have the WORST smithing ever. Their cultural was essentially garbage... They were weapons no one would use, when they were new....

That certainly doesn't explain how my Troll friend was able to entirely finance both his and my Smithing, back when these items were first introduced.

Honed Blade of Ykesha, with or without the Rallos Imbue...
Sceptre with +10 Int & +50 Mana sold quickly & the Innoruk Imbued version was often on our back-order list at the time!

The Shield sold pretty well... the Orb even better. Sharkbone Warhammer was another good seller... it was too bad that the Imbued versions had +Int instead of keeping the +Wis though, they would've been even more popular.

[Tyrelius]

New evil race

The new evil race is...


(drum roll)

Tailors!!!


Tyr

[ranz123]

iksar exp penalty

going to ramble here a bit.

all i know is that i have both an iksar monk and bst. both suffer terrably past lvl 50 exp wise. the lil bonus they got to start off is totally lost in the exp penalty now. i created a vashir bst and was able to lvl him to 60 in like half the time it seemed, they almost have a bouns to exp and they even get safefall are liked by almost everyone and other than the lil regen bonus, i can not see any other benefit that the poor iksar has over the vashir. as you know the faction for an iksar is the worst there is. but not too hard to fix with the good cities. but for the evil cities it takes forever to get the faction to where i could enter their cities. freeport, qenos, and all other good cities have a dungeon right close by or have faction mobs right at hand to get faction to enter cities. the evil well you have to kill the good to enter the evil. where you dont have to kill evil to get good factions. so contrary to what has been said so far to get faction to enter good cities imo is easy. but if you are evil and ever kill your home faction you move to PoK and live there lol. Trolls i must say totally got the shaft. ogers really that no stun from front and slam in the high end of the game really make quite a difference so there exp penalty really doesnt hurt as much imo. i know Iksars are considered the only reall hard race to start out but it is much worse in the high end of the game.

[Tinkercobblepot]

Grin

Mmmmmmm tasty=) Thanks for the Beer, Elf , and Support Caprich. I finally got fustrated and so i put my evercrack addiction on hold and went and played city of heroes for a while. But now i have recovered and am ready to grind back into action Agianst the goddie goddies. Watch out norrath, Solomongrungy Mudtoe OGRE Shaman At Large is back in action.

[Tsaos]

Evil Grin...

There are a few changes I don't like....

3. I don't like that they removed hell levels. Stupid people are now over level 45. Before stupid people would never get through 45, cause you lost 2 blue of exp after a 96% res... I liked that levels actually meant you had to have some skill and know how to play your class...Nowadays I meet clerics who specialize in nuking, and don't know they have Atone, much less what it does.

There are things I miss...

1. I miss people actually having to walk and learn new zones. New players don't know where anything is, with the map.

I know what you mean. Now there are lvl 65+ people who are clueless on how to play their toon. They just power level on up, hit the "right" zones for xp and to heck with the rest of the world.

I have been attacked by the same NPC's he complains about.. It's extremely annoying to be attacked by your Allies...Now hunting the banker in Gfay.. that's just plain fun...

Now to the real reason for my response... being an iksar necromancer, I am very aware of the faction issues we have. I personally remember taking the boat from FV (I was sneaky) to BB and getting killed by a wandering guard (even though I jumped off the ship and swam to shore) before I had a chance to bind. (After that, I always bound myself in the water a short ways from the shore.) It was so nice when I learned about the red wine quest in Neriak so I could finally do some banking in a SECOND city. It wasn't till I was 65 or so, that I discovered the faction quest for ...trolls? of inny to do in Neriak that I finally no longer had to invis in 3rd gate. (Thank goodness for DE illusion potions too!) I knew hardly anything about this game when I startd playing, I picked Iksar because they looked cool. (My first iksar necro was a female because I liked the additional coloring they got on their toons. But was re-rolled around lvl 20 when I discovered I should have put my starting points into INT.)

So, my question is... besides the banker in GFay what other npcs are fun to kill to get...uh... revenge on the "lights"? (The raid on Rivervale sounds promising too.) Can we get a list going? <evil smirk>

[Tinkercobblepot]

LOL well for me it used to be holly windstalker. Even as a light race nothing was more annoying than being in qeynos hills and being attacked by a wolf or a bear and then being smashed into loading please wait by holly for 'you guessed it' attacking a wolf or a bear in front of her. Hmm well the only one i want to really smack down now is Xanuussuuss. When i was much lower in lvls i got caught by this treant, Who btw has an incredible agro range, and i had the worst time getting my corpse back. I only had cheap stuff but it was all i had at the time and i didnt want to start over. Secondly I was a bit parinoid about consenting anyone because the risk of themm looting and leaving my corpse there was pretty high. They have scince made it to where looting corpses is no longer possible with a consent but early in the game it was a real hassel.


Solomongrungy Mudtoe ogre shaman at large
Oh and raz123 you are looking at the no stun from the front and slam from a warrior or a shadowknight perspective. As a shaman i cant afford to get close enough to a mob for either of those to come into play. i just dont have the armor class.

[Darknyss]

Ah, my sweetest revenge moment...

I was exploring the continent of Antonica for the fabled High Quality Bear Hide... as there were no such things as bears on my home continent of Kunark... The Commonlands were a great place to gain experience, bear pelts, greater lightstones, and was practically as bustling a market as NFP! But at least 30 times a day, I'd be chased off by the feared Seargent Slate... simply the /ooc of his name and where he was wandering would send a shiver down my tail.

Lets just say, every time I head towards an EC LDoN... I pay a visit to an 'old friend'...