My rant

[Nolrog]

I'm sure this belongs here, because it's certainly going to be a rant.

I bought 40 arctic wyvern hides the other day in the bazaar. Someone was selling them for 60pp each, which I thought was a good price, so I snatched them up. I head to Cobalt Scar and start fishing for cod. I'm there for 2 fricken days, and get just one lousy stack of cod. I figure, I'll do the combines one stack at a time. I gate back to the PoK, and start making the cod oil. My brewing skill is 200. The skill needed to make the cod oil is 68. Put the first one in, FAILED. Did a couple more, and FAILED again. In 20 combines, I failed TWICE. ARUGH. After all that fricken time, I failed a combine that's 132 points below my abilities.

Now, I figure masks, right. That's usually the first one that everyone starts with, because it uses the least amount of studs. The mask takes 1 velium stud. HOWEVER, each velium stud takes 3 velium bits. Each velium bit takes 2 fricken small pieces of velium. So that's 6 small pieces of velium for one fricken combine. Even the EVBs took less. So for my lousy run of 20 combines, it will take 120 small pieces of velium, 40 coldain velium tempers (because each has to take 2) only to fail making a fricken mask.

Now I see why ribbons are so attractive. Even though the cost is high in terms of plats, the savings in terms of time is immense!! I'm going to save my arctic wyvern hides and my cod oil and the pieces of velium I have right now, and switch to ribbons instead. Farming the spring water or whatever else the ribbons need should be a heck of a lot easier!!!!!

I can't imagine how anyone did this before, when you had to farm everything, and without the new UI. I gotta give those who did a lot of credit!!!

[Pootle]

Did over 200 masks in one go a little while ago....

Now, That was a lot of velium farming!

As for the new UI, i went 200 - 248 on Mino Hero Brew.... BEFORE it was released....

Keep up the good work, you will get 250, oneday.... (i still havent, 245 and back to velium farming)

[Verdandi]

Now imagine being one of the races that can't do ribbons.

I made it to 200 on mainly acrylia and arctic wyvern, with some solstice robes, cobalt drake, and soft fur paddings mixed in. The thought of going to 250 is enough to, well, make me GM everything else first. While I didn't have the new UI, I did have the Bazaar and an ample bank account. But even after spending 100k there were still countless hours of velium and acrylia farming.

So , you're in good company hehe.

[splunge]

I was helping a guildie with their Coldain rings a couple weeks ago. When we got to the part where we needed to make the tainted avalanche ale, and i remembered what goes into it, i cringed, and felt tired and achy at the mere thought of going to Cobalt Scar to kill wyverns again...

/sigh

[Niellya]

One time I did about 15 stacks of arctic wyvern masks.

A month later the ribbon recipes came out and trivialed a couple points under what I had just reached with the masks.

[Silverfish]

Halfway Done

Verdandi wrote:

"Now imagine being one of the races that can't do ribbons."

Um, anyone can do ribbons. There are only a few races that can use the ribbons to make robes, but any race can do the initial combine. I went through a lot of ribbons in pushing my tailoring up. For those who want to skill up on them, Steamfont Spring Water, which can be used to make ribbons that trivial at 182, drops off kobold in Steamfont. I highly recommend it, as it's expensive, but very simple, and a LOT faster and easier than farming Velious or Luclin.

Silverfish

[Dunthor Warsmith]

I was assuming she was referring to the robes, as Arctic Wyvern stuff trivials at 335 so they can take you to 250, as can the cultural robes, some of which trivial >250. (the ribbons themselves top out at 187)

[Verdandi]

Aye, I meant the robes themselves, not the ribbons. They are helpful till 187, of course, but we're on our own after that.

[Nolrog]

Now, I figure masks, right. That's usually the first one that everyone starts with, because it uses the least amount of studs. The mask takes 1 velium stud. HOWEVER, each velium stud takes 3 velium bits. Each velium bit takes 2 fricken small pieces of velium. So that's 6 small pieces of velium for one fricken combine. Even the EVBs took less. So for my lousy run of 20 combines, it will take 120 small pieces of velium, 40 coldain velium tempers (because each has to take 2) only to fail making a fricken mask.

Bit of an update. I found out that the recipe yeilds two studs, so that cuts down the amount of velium I need in half. 2 small pieces to a bit, three bits to a stud, yield is 2. Much better. LOL. Well, a little better anyway.

[Sanna]

so the tradeskill correspondant himself has seen how 3333vil tailoring is.

lay some pressure on those devs to raise drop rates.

i'm serious. They keep going "omg the players keep asking for more tailoring recipies." the devs don't need to put in MORE recipes with MORE drops to pharmpharmpharm and MORE things to balance...... They just need to raise the drop rates on the parts for the current recipes by a couple Orders Of Magnitude. If it has to do with tailoring, increase the drop rate. Cobalt drake hides, arctic wyvern hides, the mobs should have at MINIMUM a one-in-three chance of dropping a hide; one-in-two would be better. Cobalt Cod should be fished minimum one-in-four successful fishes.
and that's just a couple things. raise drops for loy ribbon dyes, make the forages a bit more common.

Stuff like this. Tell them it can be their Christmas present to us : ppppp. Skilling through tailoring is already painful enough as is; having to pharmpharmpharm is #vil (3vil with a capital 3).

I am serious. more drops = happy tradeskillers. just try it and see if i'm wrong here.


and btw massive /comforts, and /gl with tailoring...


-- Sanna

[Aeght]

so the tradeskill correspondant himself has seen how 3333vil tailoring is.

lay some pressure on those devs to raise drop rates.

i'm serious. They keep going "omg the players keep asking for more tailoring recipies." the devs don't need to put in MORE recipes with MORE drops to pharmpharmpharm and MORE things to balance...... They just need to raise the drop rates on the parts for the current recipes by a couple Orders Of Magnitude. If it has to do with tailoring, increase the drop rate. Cobalt drake hides, arctic wyvern hides, the mobs should have at MINIMUM a one-in-three chance of dropping a hide; one-in-two would be better. Cobalt Cod should be fished minimum one-in-four successful fishes.
and that's just a couple things. raise drops for loy ribbon dyes, make the forages a bit more common.

Stuff like this. Tell them it can be their Christmas present to us : ppppp. Skilling through tailoring is already painful enough as is; having to pharmpharmpharm is #vil (3vil with a capital 3).

I am serious. more drops = happy tradeskillers. just try it and see if i'm wrong here.


and btw massive /comforts, and /gl with tailoring...


-- Sanna

That or make it an easier skill to learn... either way...

Aeght

[Silound]

Or even easier, just adjust the Velious trivial stuff to scale better (involves all of changing the variable value for the trivial) so that the lowest stuff trivials around 220 or so, and the larger parts trivial at 355 or whatever is max. Having everything trivial at 335 smells more like a "Well, X will never happen, so let's jsut set this to 355 and be done with it" solution.

[Angelsyn]

Or even easier, just adjust the Velious trivial stuff to scale better (involves all of changing the variable value for the trivial) so that the lowest stuff trivials around 220 or so, and the larger parts trivial at 355 or whatever is max. Having everything trivial at 335 smells more like a "Well, X will never happen, so let's jsut set this to 355 and be done with it" solution.

This would be a very good solution...

A range of trivials, much like Fine Plate used to be, or how Imbued Mithril Plate (for High Elves) is now.

It doesn't even have to be based on the "smaller - larger" progression... make it based on value of the final piece... Cobalt Drake Belts, for example, would have a much higher trivial than Tigerraptor Sleeves.