Accounts hacked and stripped

[Auricula]

I'd just like to respone that while yes it is against the rules. I don't think it's morally wrong to sell eq items for real life cash. It is a bit silly to do the buying. However if someone is working full time, playing part time wants to trade some of his cash for eq stuff that a full time player part time worker got where is the problem? Dupers on the other hand are a completely different story.

Morally wrong may not be the term you meant to use. I doubt you could argue the case that accepting a EULA which prohibits you from doing this, yet knowingly and willingly doing it anway is not 'morally wrong'. You seem to make the case that buying your way to the top of EQ should not be covered in the EULA ... as in I will pay someone $500 to get me access to the top level zones/best No Drop armour/whatever. That is a very different conversation.

What I expect to see from EQ is a clearly stated set of rules that is enforced equally for everyone. Either EVERYONE can share passwords and accounts and get compensated when things go sour because of it or NO ONE can. Either EVERYONE can sell accounts/items/platinum or NO ONE can. Either EVERYONE can set up macros to auto-forage (or auto-camp a mob or auto-whatever) for days on end, or NO ONE can.

[Saleani]

More than a few accounts get broken into by people who get your password. How do they get your station name? Unless and until you change it, your station name appears (for everyone to see) in chat.

How else can folks get station names and passwords? By setting up (or cracking into) eq related sites. Unless you are a system administrator, you would be astonished at how many people use the same login/password information from site to site.

[Abazagaroth]

This has happened to many many guilds across many many servers. There are/were security issues with some of the freeware bb2 and other message board codes. Sniffer programs used to check the private messages that had been sent but not erased by individuals. It was only the people that gave out their pw/id via the pribate messaging system that gets their stuff hacked.

[Silound]

As a person who's been involved in one battle resulting from EULA's, I can say this with some satisfaction. Developers, owners, and in general people who produce a game have a EULA for one reason.

To cover their own *ahems*.

The EULA serves a a legal disclaimer separating them from anything you do that results in bad things happening to you (thus dis-allowing you to sue or try to gain reparitions from them). It also serves as grounds to prevent whatever software they produce from being legally freeware. It gives grounds for a lawsuit if the company or producers feel their assets and property threatened, and to prevent someone else from altering the code and releasing the game as their own version that *can* be legally protected.

Yes, if you didn't know it, any game without a EULA attached to it (I mean theoretically attached, it could be in the manual, on the CD, or enclosed on/within the box or even as part of the purchase agreement) legally is freeware because there is officially no claim to the game. If there is a EULA, by law, you are required to recieve a copy of it within the game, and is usually located in the manual, in a document on the CD, or on a separate insert in the box. If you don't recieve a paper one in the box, don't assume that there isn't one, it's probably on the CD. If it's not, and you're certain there is a EULA, contact the marketing or support lines for the game company and query them about it.

[thrashette]

uh-huh

nd given some of the game dynamics (i.e. flagging) many friends have felt comfortable sharing their info to assist in moving thier guilds as a whole forward.

You pays your money. You takes your chances. And your guild leader's girlfriend who barely knows you sells your BoC while you are in the cancer ward.

Giving people your password is not good for you, and it's not good for the people you give it to.

Just say no. If you can't say no, at least change the password now and then.

[Jannelle Silverthorne]

Well, yes .. I can agree with that. However as someone who will never have access to the high level PoP armour, let alone the GoD armour and no-drop spells, I see very little reason to level my character up any further. That would only lead to even better spells and armour that I can't access. A level 70 in LDoN armour is about on par with a level 30 Warrior in Banded as far as being able to progress through the game is concerned .. a liability to any group. (No, I will never join a guild where raiding 5 hours a day, 5 times a week is a requirement. Period.) So exactly how does EQ define 'progression' for me? /em feels herself being pointed toward the door.

I'm not in a 5 hour a day, 5 day a week raiding guild either. But we can clear Time in 2 days and are pushing into GoD. In fact, GoD is easier than Time/High EP's to start with. Just takes a desire to see the content and a willingness to keep beating against it until you figure out how to win without 10K+ hp tanks and dual clerics.

While I agree that it's strictly against the EULA, I'm guilty of botting several of my guildmates for flags when RL wouldn't permit them to be online when flag targets were available. I did it so they could continue to play the GAME with us and not be stuck sitting on the sidelines because of how SOE designed progression in part of the GAME.