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**Krazick** · 08-13-2004, 10:10 AM

First off it does sound rather rude, obnoxious and unjustified... but it may be due to circumstances beyond your knowlege...

He could have been at the tail end of a raid that he was doing a ton of rezzes on... he could have been up exteremely late (for his timezone) and needed sleep... he could have been dragged away by an fustrating RL issue and was venting his fustrations...

He could have been fielding a ton of tells from people he didn't know, from guild, his group, his raid that simply left him in a rotten mood.

I would suggest taking a breather... a day... and if still feeling fustrated by it... after a day touch base with {rude} again and be calm... ask him if he was just in a rotten mood/dumped on when you talked to him briefly on Thursday... Don't ask him to do anything, just try and verify if it was mood or him just being a PITA...

**Pockets FullOfGold** · 08-13-2004, 10:15 AM

While I sympathize with you and can truly understand that frustration, this guy is one of the reason's I don't bother with requests for a res that often. When I go to BoT, more often than not, a Cleric will do the res before I ask in OOC or try to /tell if I died without being in a group. Sometimes I have to ask in OOC and if I get no replies, I'll loot up the corpse and not worry about "begging" over and over again for a res. It's only exp after all.

This guy seemed to hate being bothered and I distaste bothering others so I don't get flamed just like you had happen, thus I prefer to loot up and get the exp back at a later time.

Pockets FullOfGold

**Itek** · 08-13-2004, 02:49 PM

See I don't buy the "the guy was just having a bad day" excuse.

He didn't reply. That's ALL he frigging had to do. NOT hit /reply. How hard is it to NOT reply? He DELIBERATELY waited 4 minutes, and until he'd /camp'ed, to send a vulgar reply to a simple question he had every opportunity to ignore.

I don't generally worry about getting a rezz, certainly not in a PoP graveyard. It generally takes about 10 minutes to find someone in the zone or in PoTran who'll do it for 100 pp while they wait for something else.

But here's the deal ....

Let's add up the number of times in a lifetime someone will get KEI vs. the number of times they will get a rezz. Hopefully for most people the KEI's outnumber the rezzes by more than 2 to one.

Never screw with the enchanter. It's never a good idea. It's always a BAD idea.

Charm. Haste. Gate.

Revenge. And it took less then 20 seconds. And there isn't anything that you can do about it.

Now... I would never do that. So far as you know.

I appreciate how annoying random /tells are. This wasn't "strictly" a random tell. And I've had people come and beg for KEI in the middle of a PULL in PoValor. "Would you mind running halfway across Storms to KEI our group?"

**Auricula** · 08-13-2004, 04:00 PM

I will start by saying that in my opinion there is never an excuse to use offensive language in EQ ... never ever, no matter how bad a day you are having. If you can't find a better way to express yourself, log off EQ and go study a thesarus. It is the quickest way (short of spamming a casino) to make my ignore list.

Having said that, I never use tells to ask for something from a stranger. To me a tell is basically demanding that I drop whatever I am doing, and give my attention and a response to the person sending it. If the person was right in front of me, I would have done a Hail first. If they responded to that, I would have used say to ask if they were by chance a cleric. If they didn't respond I would have done an /ooc offering 100p for a rez and mentioning that I would drag corpse to you.

In this case, you don't really know if the rude person had walked away from the keyboard at the time you sent tell. They could have had something needing attention in real life, dashed back to the keyboard to camp, and noticed your tell just as the 10 seconds message popped up. Again, no excuse for the vulgar response ... but you don't know for sure that they intentionally waited until 5 seconds on the camp timer to respond.

**Koru** · 08-13-2004, 05:06 PM

To me there's a difference between 'F* you' after a 'rez me' demand, a 'F* you' after a polite inquiry. One may be somewhat justified if you're having a bad day or are sick of being pestered, the other is chosing to be a rude twit when there's no reason to be. You release the F-bombs on the people who pissed you off, not some innocent bystander who tried to play nice. And if ya feel too pissed off to speak to people who had nothing to do with you getting pissed off ya don't speak to them - you don't wait until right before you log to send them rude tells. That's just being an anus.

**Cubwynn** · 08-13-2004, 07:33 PM

I think the answer, Itek, boils down to the fact most people are selfish, rude (insert favorite off-color noun here{plural}).

After 5 years of this game, I pretty much just assume that every person I meet is a (insert favorite off-color noun here{singular}). Every once in a while, I get surprised when they're not. That's a pleasant feeling.

You can call me bitter, but I'm simply going on experience.

The 'bad day' excuse is pathetic. Unless someone you know and love has died, like THAT day, there's NO excuse for that... it's poor manners and poor self-control. If you have to relieve your mental stress by lashing out at complete strangers (faceless ones at that...), you need a few more years in diapers. (note: third-person 'you', to belay any confusion)

**Lickity** · 08-14-2004, 01:17 AM

I have probably been on the dealing end of a few rude encounters (however, I feel ignoring tells is rude, and that is what I do.) However, rudecleric_01 stepped over the line. People like him are the people who ruin the game for everyone. When I die in PoP zones, or wander through PoP graveyards, I make an honest attempt to buff the dead that I see standing there, without requests. This goes for my shaman and enchanter. When I die in HoH, I intentionally leave a bit of water or food on my corpse so that some soloing necro can use my body for a free WTD pet for the week till my corpse decays.

Bearing that in mind, and it would have gone through it, I would have promptly /report, /petition that rude jerk and not looked back till the GM responded to me. I don't care how bad of a day you have had, if you can't tolerate REAL people in a game involving REAL people, log off and play a single player game. There are ZERO situation where someone who randomly approaches you in an INTENTIONALLY interdependent game, that you should lash out at someone who is asking you to do your part and play part of your class role. If you don't want to deal with X person, ignore them, or find some polite way to explain why you can't field their request. If you can't have that decency, I hope that you address the GM that answers my petition in the same way you address me (or in this case Itek,) and get your butt thrown out of the game.

**Itek** · 08-14-2004, 02:01 AM

You can't petition /tells

/ignore and it's not public and if you are offended by bad language the /filter is on by default

I see no difference between /hail and /tell ... And in fact the /tell is more personal. (It's obvious I've typed it out, rather than just F8 and 'h') And at NO time did I demand anything.

For instance I -might- have a dropable cleric item I can't use and don't want to bazaar. (Unlikely, sure, but POSSIBLE no?)

And, as most can see from my dealings with the {nice} (using Ngreth's symbology) cleric I make reasonable efforts to compensate people for taking the time out to help me. (And I've lost count of the time's I've logged in my enchanter to MGB KEI if there's no vendor and people are going into serious withdrawl.)

I guess it's just such a shock to me to be treated this way. Before I took almost a year off (around the release of Luclin) from serious play Itek had a REPUTATION on my server for "drive-by clarity." Anybody caught medding at a zoneline as I passed was a candidate for Clarity. (Remember, pre-Luclin. No KEI. C2 was pretty darn rare. Clarity was selling for 20 to 50pp a shot and people would run 2 zones to get it.) Before Kunark was released I had a guy hand me 6k in items in EC to hold for him. I didn't know him from the man in the MOON but he knew me by my rep and my guilds rep.

As for the idea that he was afk ... there's a command for that.

As for the idea that he came back as he was camping and saw the tell and snapped off a reply...

Read the log. My tell precedes his by 4 minutes. Had he been camping when I sent the tell (he was standing, but the log wouldn't prove that) he'd have been long gone. Snapped off a reply? /r no is a snapped off reply.... or just mute'ly waving at the screen...

I spoke to one of his guild officers. They said they'd talk to him about it. *shrug* Guess that's the best I can hope for.

I'd sure hate to add
/o {rude} of {guild-o-losers} is a jerk. Send me tells for hotkeyed explanation.
/o On that note MGB of 70 percent extended KEI at the Main Bank
/o has been CANCELLED until I get an apology. Have a nice day.
to my list of hotkeys.

EDIT: Yes, I am like a dog with a bone. It'll probably take me a few days to really calm down. I'll stop posting to this thread though unless there's a real need to.

**Arbrelax** · 08-14-2004, 04:15 AM

I concur - that was rude

I agree with Itek, the "rude" cleric was indeed rude.

I agree, there was really no excuse for his/her behavior - to be rude to Party 1 when Party 1 has done nothing to you, even if Parties 2,3,4 etc. have been rude (i.e they all demanded a rez) or your own "real life" situation sucks or is really pathetic is neither justified nor to be admired and emulated.

I don't agree with the sentiment expressed that the simple act of sending a tell is "rude" in and of itself. In certain contexts - such as when the recipient is in a mortal struggle with a mob, even a polite tell that instead of offering assistance requests assistance may be ill considered but just "communicating with someone"? If you don't like em maybe you should try a stand alone game.

It might also help to remember that there are (a) juveniles (both in age and maturity) and (b) computer (and other forms of) geeks that have little if any social graces to begin with, playing the game. You may or may not be willing to cut them some slack, but I believe they are not worth getting worked up over and are best ignored. Shunning is a lost art form but one which lends itself well to an environment which is already impersonal at best.

I do however believe that actions which are rude and also rise to the level of game disruption - active interference with the enjoyment of others (training, unsolicited rude comments, spamming, KS'ing, etc.) are matter which should be brought to the attention of SOE. This situation did not appear to meet those criteria.

Conversation with their guild leaders (if they are a guild member) MIGHT be fruitful. Especially if they belong to a guild that is family oriented or is concerned about its reputation. You'll know the answer as soon as you talk to any of them.

I admit I have had my blood pressure rise a few points due to the actions of some online sociopath who takes advantage of the anonymity that this milieu affords in order to feel better at the expense of some faceless electronic avatar (behind which sits a living breathing human being). I personally believe that behind their electronic avatar sits a crippled person of the kick the dog variety. While I may have no real compassion for them I try not to let their sickness infect me. That infection comes from the impact that the anger they help me create in myself has in real life and its just not worth it.

Finally, I agree with Itek that he is exhibiting signs of being a dog that can't let go of a bone. While I don't agree that simply having an adverse reaction to unsolicited rudeness indicates that you yourself need a time out, at this point you may want to consider it. In the situation you described, which did not involve an actual petionable offence I suggest you don't necessarily ignore the person but make a note for future "non-dealings" with them (such as "No more KEI for you") at which time you may wish to explain why. After you have informed their guild of the behavior the next thing you need to do is just forget about it. Don't let fools have power over you. In this case one typed word (albeit a very powerful one) has caused you to spend your precious time being upset.

And don't succumb to the temptation to withhold your MGB's whether or not you announce the reason why. If you do announce it you'll likely be viewed as a vindictive meany yourself (also not to be admired nor emulated) by many and thus you may end up with a worse reputation than the true creep in this tale. If you don't announce your reasons and just stop doing it, then again you've allowed some fool to change the way you play and otherwise enjoy the game (and it is a game).

**Pootle** · 08-14-2004, 04:55 AM

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You can't petition /tells
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He did a /report

which will send the contents of your chat window to whoever deals with that sort of thing. Including /tells.

To add my 2cp.... I would have done the same thing, /repot him and got on with my day.

**Tudani** · 08-14-2004, 10:46 AM

You can petition tells, just remember to report them first. However, I doubt a GM would have done anything in this case. It was a single tell, that was rude, just put him on your black list and move on.

**Verdandi** · 08-14-2004, 11:07 AM

And make sure that when you do /report, you also /petition. I seem to recall hearing that reports are never looked at unless they get a petition giving the name to look for and explaining the problem.

**Cubwynn** · 08-14-2004, 04:51 PM

Actually, you need to include the time as well, so:

/time
/report *name*
/petition

I've done /report and then petitioned, and have received the response from the GM that there was no report for that person's name (which is obviously false, they are just too *smurfed* lazy to look it up). That way, when they respond to you, they know exactly where to look for the report.

**sumamael** · 08-14-2004, 07:12 PM

Well I have been playing a cleric for a good while now so I got a good taste of random tells, verbal abuse, plane rudeness and stupidity from people.

I'm pretty relaxed guy and the 'Most obnoxious response' from me ever was a question which was the following "where do you think I keep my peridots, in my butt?' and I only allowed that myself when I was sitting nekid on my bind spot and the guy literally demanding the virtue was standing in front of me.

There are two types of clerics, those who can ignore the stress (or don't even notice the stress) and those who get worked up on everything and shouldn't play the class at all.

You can ask what stress? There is stress in EQ? Of course there is....

Just log on a non-anon, non-roleplay guilded level 65 cleric and watch your chat window fill up with tells, demands, requests, blames, guilt trips etc etc sometimes straight from your guildmates and friends.

Unfortunatelly playing a cleric well isn't only about having good reflexes and knowing each spell's heal per second and mana per heal ratios by heart but it's a good deal about being able to ignore people.

You met a stressed out cleric! It's not uncommon, he was just immature enough to show it.

I don't think the rez request was the issue, it was just the last straw that broke the camels back.

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