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[Inyidd]

The spell healing a maximum of 75% of targets HPs doesn't make it a percent heal, as I would understand it. A percent heal would be something that heals 20% of targets HPs (for instance). Or, at least, that's what makes sense to me. Granted, I'm not a cleric and don't know much about their spell lines, so if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

[splunge]

"The spell healing a maximum of 75% of targets HPs doesn't make it a percent heal, as I would understand it."

Yes, it does.

Think of it in the opposite way of which its stated.

This spell heals 75% of your HP up to a maximum of 2925.
Complete heal heals 100% of your Hp up to a maxumum of 7500.

Spells like Greater Healing and Chloroblast do not have percentages stuck onto them. They will be affected by IH4.

[kiztent]

Complete heal heals 100% of your Hp up to a maxumum of 7500.

Actually CH heals 7500 HP. That's all, no percent anywhere. Which is why you have lines 6 and 7 (the CH from the Trak BP). CH will heal you from purple club to full HP. Either druid CH or the shaman CH won't.

[Dunthor Warsmith]

The spell healing a maximum of 75% of targets HPs doesn't make it a percent heal, as I would understand it. A percent heal would be something that heals 20% of targets HPs (for instance). Or, at least, that's what makes sense to me. Granted, I'm not a cleric and don't know much about their spell lines, so if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

Its a completely different interpretation of "percentage heal". Yours is a logical definition ("A 20% heal restores 20% of that persons HP",etc), but it is not the definition used by EQ. Its more like

"Heal a person for
a) 500hp
b) their maxHp * 0.75
whichever is smaller"

The "percentage heal" is a limitation placed on the spell, not a description of the spell's purpose.

[Inyidd]

The "percentage heal" is a limitation placed on the spell, not a description of the spell's purpose.

I'll go with that then. I've never been confident in a programmers sense of logic.

Thanks for the clarifications!

[Grimwood]

I'll go with that then. I've never been confident in a programmers sense of logic.

Thanks for the clarifications!

Ditto :-). Thanks for the helpful information from Lucy's too. SoE should be paying sites like EQTraders and Alla's/Lucy's; without spoiler sites we'd never know there is really an odd sort of logic to some of their weirdness ;-). The official spellbook description of this particular spell btw just says, "Blesses your target with a healing touch, healing up to 2925 damage." Chuckle.

Before I let Twee have her thread back (sorry ;-)-- Speaking of programmers, has anyone noticed what "has" to be a bit of an inside joke with one of the Mobs in the GoD zones?

"The Noc Darklurch falls to the ground with a disinterested thud."

ISP's and other Internet-dependent companies commonly have a "NOC" which is their "Network Operating Center", keeping them connected to the wide world. The SoE programmers' Noc Mob looks great too, like the devil would look if he were a rat....

Grimwood

Brewing 250/Trophy
Blacksmithing 250/Trophy
Baking 200
Jewelcraft 200
Pottery 200
Fishing 200
Tailoring 159
Fletching 54
Sony Logic 0

[Dunthor Warsmith]

I'll go with that then. I've never been confident in a programmers sense of logic.

Thanks for the clarifications!

<== Programmer

If "Percentage heals" are so wrong to describe them, what would you call these min(default_heal, percent*max_hp) heals instead?

Ditto :-). Thanks for the helpful information from Lucy's too. SoE should be paying sites like EQTraders and Alla's/Lucy's; without spoiler sites we'd never know there is really an odd sort of logic to some of their weirdness ;-). The official spellbook description of this particular spell btw just says, "Blesses your target with a healing touch, healing up to 2925 damage." Chuckle.

That's a "feature" - you have to discover your world But I agree, if you're not around when the patch in the feature and describe the functionality in the patch messages, there's no way to hear of a lot of things other than word-of-mouth & spoiler sites. Sometimes nowadays these big changes don't even get put in patch messages - just posts on relevant non-SOE boards - making it even harder to find out about them.

How many people know about /safelock? /hotbutton? /charinfo?
A lot of people only learn about /tgb when they start raiding, and people complain at them about their buffing.
I've run into a lot of 50s and 60s players who didn't know about /disc (/discipline) or had a clue what disciplines were. (pre the new combat system, obviously)
And these people aren't idiots. They just weren't playing (hadn't started or were on a break) when these features were introduced.

[splunge]

Um...

Ok, i know about /tgb, /charinfo and /disc

But what is /safelock?

(/hotbutton seems kinda logical)

[Tinile]

/safelock is what prevents your cat from moving your bazaar mule out of the tents. You type /safelock {password} and it locks the keyboard and mouse from moving or typing. We use it *ALL* the time with a toddler running loose. You can still open a couple windows like AAs listing, etc, but he cannot turn off vendor, nor can he walk the char around. You have to retype the command with the PW to unlock it.

[Inyidd]

<== Programmer

If "Percentage heals" are so wrong to describe them, what would you call these min(default_heal, percent*max_hp) heals instead?

There's a difference, in my opinion, at least, between saying:

This spell heals 50% of targets hitpoints up to a maximum of 2000 hitpoints.

and:

This spell heals 2000 hitpoints up to a maximum of 50% of targets hitpoints.

The first example is what I would describe as a percentage heal, the second isn't.

[Dunthor Warsmith]

The first example is what I would describe as a percentage heal, the second isn't.

So what would you describe it as? We've gotta have something to call it

[Inyidd]

So what would you describe it as? We've gotta have something to call it

Dunno. Perhaps a percentage limited or percentage capped heal. Not really sure. I suppose it really doesn't matter as long as that's what the developers call it.

[Ngreth Thergn]

It especially doesn't matter since those notes are NOT suposed to be seen by us, they are meant for the dev's. It just so happens that some people made programs that could parse those notes intended for the devs only and show them to the public. Since it is not intended for the public but not the devs, and the dev's know what it means... there is no reason for it to be more clear