A few things that cheese me off

[Ngreth Thergn]

A few things the cheese of the ogre...

-- People that complain about every new feature
-- People that say "that code change will be easy" without ever seeing the code they want changed.
-- People that complain about the sense heading change
-- People that DEMAND "services" from you when you are dead yourself!!!
-- People that INSTANTLY say "MY CAMP" when you are just looking around a zone, maybe to see if your favorite camp is free (especially after the ignored a camp check call!!!)

just a few things!

[Rhyianna]

i cant get maps to work consistantly on my machine, so sign me up for that one

i am lazy, i ask for ports to CS for my 2 toons. i also volunteer a mod rod, kei and cash for the service. also respect the answer of sorry am busy right now =). i can run it, but my farming time is limited sometimes, so i prefer to just have the 1 zone time to get there and kill them dern othmirs (must remind someone to have them drop more fur for me kkthx).

i miss the courtesy that used to be in the game. it is all about getting there now, fast, over the top of whomever is perceived to be in front of you... i zoned into nederia and wandered around (yes i know its been there a while, but i live in CS when not raiding) and stopped to stare at the waterfall for a long time, what a nice spot for a picnic (when i have timeto make us a picnic again).

i miss bards, creating and singing songs in RM while everyone camped the poor giants. it added so much to the role playing. (another thing i miss, even tho i amhorrid at it, i like to try).

[Moraganth]

"The cartography thing is cool and all, but I'm astounded by the number of people who can't find thier own butt if you give them the /loc."

Just a note: you need F9 to find your butt. The /loc doesn't help.

Actually, the loc does help a bit to start, although you'll need to be a tracker also.. Once you get to the loc of your butt, then tracking will tell you where it is. It is a bit bugged, and often peopel will unknowingly move passed where their butt is, and it will jump on track from "it is ahead of you" to "it is behind you" very quickly. When this happens, you should stop and turn 180 degrees immediatly... and recheck tracking to see if you've actually passed it, or if it's a side effect of low tracking skill. You may have to turn around repeatedly sometimes to get your tracking to reaquire your butt, and occasionally your butt may warp back to it's spawnpoint.

With the inherant flaws of the tracking system, you should consider /bug, and /feedback, when these anomilies occure. BTW, just to expidite this so as to be most helpful to the devs, when you do /bug this, make sure to mention if you have both hands free or not... for some reason they need this info.. so i think they're onto the coding problem that is making it hard for many people to find their own butts.

Make no mistake though, this is a serious problem... and not to be poked fun at, or have jokes made about.

[Tweedledea]

Sorry, I'm a /loc noob. You give me a loc, I don't instantly know which direction to run. Call me stupid. It's a case of running in circles pumping the loc button and PRAYING 2 digits actually start moving in the right direction.

Is there an idiot-proof guide to loc? Because I've never, ever, felt deprived by not knowing, or caring, how to use it. Especially since, from the year dot, if you /ooc a negative number, the - is deleted. Fantastic! Cue even MORE running around in circles!

Sense heading and landmarks=teh win.

Cartography=teh leet.

[Lilosh]

The Loc number is East West, North South.

West and North are positive.

So from 100,100 to get to 500,500 , you go Northwest.
To get to 0,0 you go Southeast.
To get to 500,0 you go Southwest.
To get to 0,500 you go Northeast.

And basically keep spamming /loc.


-Lilosh

[Tweedledea]

Only a warped and twisted mind could have come up with that system... say... a politician or defence lawyer

Confirmed! I AM better off not using it If I try to run from something using loc to find a safe place, I'm going to end up a halfling-shaped stain on the ground from the time spent trying to remember which direction goes where.

Originally posted by Lilosh

To get to 0,500 you go Northeast.

Is this one wrong? I couldn't figure it out.

[kiztent]

Originally posted by Tweedledea
Is this one wrong? I couldn't figure it out.

From 100,100 to 0,500 is northeast.

The tricky part of E/W is (1) I always get them mixed up and (2) in a standard map layout and right handed coordinate system, west is negative.

Loc is your friend anyway.

[Silverfish]

Carto-Coordination

Tweedledea wrote:

" If I try to run from something using loc to find a safe place, I'm going to end up a halfling-shaped stain on the ground from the time spent trying to remember which direction goes where."

How odd. Usually, the stain I leave is notably not Halfling-shaped any more. It's only when I'm nuked into nothingness that I stay Halfling-shaped, and then it's a Halfling-shaped scorch mark.

Moraganth wrote:

"Once you get to the loc of your butt, then tracking will tell you where it is. It is a bit bugged, and often peopel will unknowingly move passed where their butt is, and it will jump on track from "it is ahead of you" to "it is behind you" very quickly. When this happens, you should stop and turn 180 degrees immediatly... and recheck tracking to see if you've actually passed it, or if it's a side effect of low tracking skill. You may have to turn around repeatedly sometimes to get your tracking to reaquire your butt, and occasionally your butt may warp back to it's spawnpoint."

The day tracking tells me my butt is ahead of me is a bad one. I once asked a ranger, "Give me a /loc for your butt so I can find you!" and he said that tracking said his butt was about to be handed to him, but from behind, as expected.

But all of this does not address the fact that you must use F9 to find (that is, actually see) your butt.

Seriously, though, I've found it's easy to remember which way is which if you print out a map from EQAtlas (any map will do) and just note the location markers on the edge, or even just draw up a cheat on a little note and stick it on your monitor. That way, when you need to react quickly to a /loc (I have to do this all the time as a healer), you can glance and go.

SIlverfish

[Armaged]

Originally posted by Lilosh
With the right Key,

Cobalt Scar ----> Skyshrine -----> Wakening Lands ------> Kael ------> Eastern Wastes -------> Great Divide.
-Lilosh

That's the thing that's back-asswards about the CS key though.

You need the key to get out of SS, not to get into it.

You can zone just fine from CS ->> SS without it, just can't go the other way.

[Dunthor Warsmith]

Originally posted by Armaged
That's the thing that's back-asswards about the CS key though.

You need the key to get out of SS, not to get into it.

Its only "strange" because of the Velious history, since originally you *couldn't* get to Cobalt scar without going through Skyshrine (and thus getting the key first), I guess they felt it was unnecessarily redundant (and an extraneous extra "key you need to keep with you"), so they left the other direction unlocked.

Removing the port daggers is what messed it up, but I don't think many people are complaining about that :P

[Carmaris]

PoK --book>> Great Divide --run>> Plane of Mischief --scamper about 10 yards>> Cobalt Scar

Ok, I've never been in PoM before...is this safe without invis? Is the zoneline to CS easy to find?

Had no idea about this...just ran the dwarf out to CS the hard way today /sigh. Of course, Holy Steed makes the hard way a lot easier...but that was still five minutes of my time that could have been better spent

[Minta Rose]

Locs are +North/-South, +West/-East, +Up/-Down.

Pre-compass, my Locate hotkey:

/pause 2,/loc
/pause 2,/doability (Sense Heading)
/loc

which gave me two sets of numbers to determine north-or-south, west-or-east, and one dominant direction so I didn't have to do ratios on the run.

Example:

-214, 55
You think you are heading North.
-188, 63

First set of numbers, second result is greater. +. Heading North.
Heading _mostly_ North.
Second set of numbers, second result is greater. +. Heading West.
Traveling North-Northwest.


I find it easiest to find my butt right after a patch. Being a necromancer, post-patch butts object to being sat upon, so a simple /sit gives me a strong reminder.

[Reflan]

Things that cheese me off:

1. Someone thinking that if you don't respond to their real or imagined camp check calls, you don't own the camp, or that you even owe them a response. Sometimes you're fighting and too busy to see their call, sometimes same with chatting, sometimes you have /ooc off and/or /shout channel off because you're tired of hearing the endless spam of strangers. Nobody owes anyone a response on camp check calls, and the lack of a response doesn't mean it's suddenly open season on someone's camp. That's fake courtesy, not real courtesy; what's really courteous is if you come upon a camp and someone's on it, don't suddenly try to claim it or "accidentally" train them. Especially if it's a camp that obviously has to be cleared to or worked for before you can even get there. I've seen some people only able to get to a camp because I cleared the way there pop in out of nowhere after I'd been in a camp for hours and tell me it was their camp! Puh-lease.

2. People who ask me the very instant I zone in somewhere for buffs. Jeez, you don't even know where I am! And I don't necessarily want to get in a big fat conversation with you about it and give you directions, or come running to you so I can enjoy the opportunity to buff you. If you see me near you and I'm relatively stationary, it's one thing, but give me a minute to get my bearings, then ask. And no, I do NOT want to run to you. Not even for 20pp. If you're doing the buff begging, YOU do the running. When I'm in the mood to buff at all, buffs are free, but not when you aggravate me.

3. People who spam buff requests. Random strangers are nobody's highest priority. If I don't respond after a while, either move on or try again. A request every few seconds is just a guaranteed way either to not get buffed, to get my worst buffs, or to get on my /ignore list so you never get buffs or anything else from me ever again.

4. People who don't say even a simple please or thanks.

5. People who are actually involved in a give and take conversation and respond by not answering and/or pretending not to have heard. Example: some tradeskill stuff drops in a camp. You ask if you can have some of the tradeskill stuff that drops -- not the stuff that's worth 20k that everyone should roll on, just the minor stuff someone will probably sell to a vendor for a few plat, which I'd be willing to pay more for if I had to. You don't ask for the world, just a reasonable share of what everyone's getting. Response: silence. Just have the cojones to say, No, I'm selling this and then we're all splitting the profit(at which point I can say, well, I'll be happy to buy it from you for what the vendor would charge or even more, so nobody loses out on any money). Or, No, I'm a greedy bastard who doesn't give a **** about anybody else in the group and I'm keeping everything for myself and you can't have any, but at least I have the guts to admit it and not just try to slink around like a creep about it and hope nobody notices me trying to pull a fast one even when it's completely obvious what a jerk I'm being.

[Lilosh]

Originally posted by Reflan
Things that cheese me off:

1. Someone thinking that if you don't respond to their real or imagined camp check calls, you don't own the camp, or that you even owe them a response. Sometimes you're fighting and too busy to see their call, sometimes same with chatting, sometimes you have /ooc off and/or /shout channel off because you're tired of hearing the endless spam of strangers. Nobody owes anyone a response on camp check calls, and the lack of a response doesn't mean it's suddenly open season on someone's camp. That's fake courtesy, not real courtesy; what's really courteous is if you come upon a camp and someone's on it, don't suddenly try to claim it or "accidentally" train them. Especially if it's a camp that obviously has to be cleared to or worked for before you can even get there. I've seen some people only able to get to a camp because I cleared the way there pop in out of nowhere after I'd been in a camp for hours and tell me it was their camp! Puh-lease.

People who don't respond to camp checks are even more inconsiderate.

If you can't be considerate enough to spend two seconds to type out the response 2-4 letter response, and save me the 5-10 minute run across dangerous ground to get to a camp that you're too busy to call, after I call out in Shout and OOC multiple times, and then announce that I am heading to the camp, and claiming it, then I'm not the one causing the disturbance.

Camps are normally abbreviated into 2-4 letters, or a short word for this reason. No matter how busy you are, you have time for this. The only exception I can think is if you are high speed, unsnared kiting. (Think HoH sentries.) As a kiter by nature, and having dot-kited and quad kited in Uper tiers of PoP, I can safely say that no situation is so bad that you can't, after a minute or two, call the camp.

Patricipating in the self-policing concept of "Camps" that we players have agreed upon, but snuffing the concept of the camp check is inconsistant and , as I've mentioned before, inconsiderate.


(Mods, if this comes across as name calling, let me know and I'll try to clean it up. I'm calling his actions, and perhaps the reasons behind them, inconsiderate. I tried to avoid name-calling.)


-Lilosh

[Ngreth Thergn]

Not name calling.... But I do disagree with you Lilosh

I have many times been in a situation where even the 4 letter abreviation response = death. Heck MSOT of the time... I do not even know the 4 letter abrevation for where the heck I am. Heck... being a quad kiter... I have hade messages scrolled off my screen before I ever saw them.

I myself almost never ask and instead go look. *I* am the one looking for a camp... *I* am responsible for finding myself a camp, not the people already in the zone.

If I spend 5 or 10 minutes getting to a camp and it is taken... all I do is "oh well" and move on.

Yes I do call camp checks sometimes.... but more often than not I just go and look.

To me this is more of what america is doing... constantly making OTHER people responsible for your actions.

but that is my opinion of it, and just mine.