Trade Skillers New System

[lupobolt]

OMG iam sickened , iam so <bleep> sickened its not forgin even fun in any way shape or form .

Joe Blow just stocked his gear, as in items needed for combines , among several toons .

Oh joy new forging UI comes out he hit 217 from 0 in 9 hours , do i feel cheap , do i feel used , do i feel like the 3am last call little lady with out a 20 on the night stand and cab fair .

<bleep> right i do , we all just got Pokered and not in the Card Game Sense.

Ontop of that all of us who are 250 skilled in what ever trade we must do at least one combine Again , to have it show on recipe list , so that saved who time ??

So once again i have to go back and do combines i havent done in 6 months to a year to get it on my <bleep> Recipe list.

Yet all theise young New Bloods are going what are you talking about , your skill sucks i did this X and Y over the upcoming weekend , you must have been one kind of <bleep> to do it old style and on top of that you did it for fun . <bleep> your stupid

With in a week i am gonna be grimmel ear ringed ,with bizaar and the new UI , and you suckers took years , <bleep> you all suck !!

[Lothay]

Moved this to the PSR where it belongs.

Also cleaned up title and language. Your use of mild profanity was extreme and excessive. Consider yourself warned.

You have every right to be upset if you so choose. You have the right to post about being upset. But you must remain civil and keep within the posting rules of this site.

[Iannyen]

Personally, I'd rather put up with every toon on every server being instantly granted GM status than sit through another gramatically painful experience like this post....

Most of the difficulty in raiding tradeskills lies in either farming the components to make the combines, or raising the funds to buy components to make the combines. The new UI does not alleviate any of these.

I can make 200 celestial essence, 60 BDoT's, 60 Mistletoe Tempers, have a guildmate (or use my cleric twink to make the CE's while she imbues the emeralds) do the Imbuing for me on 60 emeralds. Sheet metal is bought in Shadowhaven, as are all the molds and all the appropriate gems. CE's can be done in PoK easily.

I can do the final combines in a few minutes. All in all, I can, from 7k pp in hand, do 20 sickle combines in an hour or less. 10 minutes if I prep the stuff before hand while LFG.

Baking? 200 MTP combines, start to finish in 1 hour. Same with QAT's for brewing.

100 pottery combines takes about the same time, lacquering gems, making CE's, enchanting clay....

Fletching and JC? Just sit in front of a vendor with a few kpp.

Tailoring is easily the hardest. The closest there is to store bought skillups is Solstice robes, and those require 6 spider silks each. Farm farm farm.

All the New UI does is minimize the number of clicks for subs. All the farming still has to be done.

Now I'm ranting in circles...

[Balkin]

I find the UI to be very nice. The experiment button to add things to my recipe list is great! I'm not running around and adding all recipe's... what would be the point... Duh... Just add as needed. *shrug*

I've already got a 250 baker and brewer, and a 209 blacksmith (up from 204 last night). Most of my trades on nearly all of my characters are 100+ already also. I've paid my dues, and will be using the new UI happily thank you very much.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Plus this is a gross exadgeration...

the only tradeskill where HUGE amounts of time are saved is brewing (with the need for 8 items in one combine to skillup)

sure it saves times in other tradeskills...

What it REALLY saves is my wrist.

Thank you SOE for saving my wrists!

[eniamn]

baking won't be as unique either. its ok i enjoy baking for reasons other than the prestigous baker gm title.
you say.
yes i say. i cook because i enjoy it. that's what seperates casual and purpose tradeskillers. not ag or level or farming or anything else. i love my spoon because of the kind person to help me get it. it lets me keep 255 int with a geerlock in main hand and i dont have to switch out gear for merchant mugs. the free bag is nice. that is not the reason i cook. i do it for fun and because its my superhero calling. ending starvation one guilde/friend/newbie/random passerby at a time.

[Zyrtryx Conjureblade]

I decided to go ahead and try to 250 Baking, and wait until I can earn the AAs so I can 250 Brewing, also (I have no desire to be a 1750 - I *may* GM Smithing, too, but that's it).

Last night in Shadow Haven, I made 36 HMPs (Would've been more, but I failed a few cream + fillet combines and 1 HMP combine). Didn't get any skill-ups, but if it wasn't for the new UI, I wouldn't have bothered.

I have 10 picnic baskets (found them on a vendor a while back), and may try to do some MTP combines tonight when I log on, even though I know I likely won't have any successes.

[Noni DeeCups]

I got incredibly frustrated trying to do a simple combine like a firesilk swatch. I did the experiment and it still didn't add it to my list. I almost logged in tears I was so frustrated because I wanted it to work so bad.

I hope I have more time to fiddle with it tonight however my guild is demanding in the "if you are on, you will raid" attitude

[eniamn]

don't bother with pop combines yet. they released it before they had all the combines they want in it. pop and cultural and apparently enchanted jewelry haven't be tagged can learn yet.

sorry noni.

tanker said:

1. Recipe's marked AutoLearn in the database will automatically show up when you have a skill >= (trivial - 50) and you perform a search which the recipe matches.

2. Searches can only return 100 recipes. If a recipe is not being found, and you know it's AutoLearn, then restrict your search by limiting the trivial's involved, or entering part of the name of the recipe (usually the name of the item created). Note that there's a text message displayed in chat when you hit 100 recipes on a search, telling you this.

3. Recipe's marked CanLearn in the database will not show up in the recipe list until you perform one successful combine of that recipe in the old interface (experiment). After you have been notified that you've learned the recipe, you can then search for it in the new UI, and use it to perform combines. If you successfully perform a recipe combine in the old UI and don't get the "you have learned" message, then you either already have the recipe due to it being AutoLearn and within range of yoiur skill, or it is not marked CanLearn (for now, that may change later, of course, but then you'll have to "learn" it after it's changed).

So, if you tried it in Experiment mode and were successful, but didn't learn it, then check again to see if you can search for it by name (it might be autolearn). if not, then you can't learn it right now.

4. Marking said recipes AutoLearn and CanLearn is a work in progress. A lot of recipes can (and probably will) get marked as one or the other in the near future.

5. All data about what recipes you "know" is stored on the server, as is the recipe data. You can't find it on your client side... it's not there.

6. Some people want to switch the Right-click/Ctrl-right-click functionality of Tradeskill containers. Just click the "Use CtrlRClick" button on the new UI, and regular right-click will open the container in the old, bag-style; you'll have to Ctrl-right-click the bag to bring it up in the new UI.

[Carmaris]

Not true on the PoP combines. Did a skillup run on unfired planar steins, recipe was there after the first success.

[Maddoc-the-Wayfarer]

I made a quick post on the general forum, but saw this and thought I should also mention it here:

I was pretty sure that I posted pre-release that not all recipes would be flagged with the initial launch of the TS-Interface, but that a great many of them would be.

That still holds true, what you currently have access to is merely the first evaluation of the tradeskill recipes. I'm currently in the process of making the second round of flaggings, which should make it to you guys with the next scheduled update. Nothing to be angry about yet, I've not forgotten you.

-- Maddoc

More recipes will be flagged as CanLearn soon, I promise

-- Maddoc

[ColdHeart]

One thing I want to say

How many people ranting here have actually used the UI?

COME ON PEOPLE THINK BEFORE RANTING!

OMG, 200+ triv recipes are not listen, SO LEARN IT. One more combine surely can't be so hard to do?

Ok, one thing I noted which was odd. Searched for Tempers... Lizard Blood Temper was listed (Scale Temper + Tae Ew Blood).
Scale Temper was NOT listed

So I combined via experiment a Scale temper and learned it, then went on to make the Lizard Blood Temper, big deal :-/

I was annoyed Cultral stuff was CannotLearn, meant I had to do 40 combines the old way. Am I going to rant and rave about it? I just hope they add it later but no big lose.


Sorry, just getting annoyed at all the negative posts here, will go chill.

[Noni DeeCups]

Originally posted by ColdHeart
Sorry, just getting annoyed at all the negative posts here, will go chill.

Sorry, I thought this was the Primal Scream section of the board.

[Silverfish]

Agreeable New UI Stories

In a raft of negative posts about the UI, I wanted to add my voice lifted in praise of this new tool. I found that it was very nice in a lot of subtle and a few not-so-subtle ways. As is my style, my list:

Tradskill Container/Storage box: This is by far the nicest part of the new UI for me. I had no space to work with, but I needed to make jumjum salad. I bought the components, but the only place I had to store them was the mixing bowl itself, and since I needed to do four combines, there was no way to make it fit and still use the bowl. In the old world, I'd have gone somewhere secluded, thrown the stuff on the ground, then picked it up as I had room, and then thrown down the results. With the new UI, it didn't care that I had only one spot to put it. When I auto-made it and auto-inventoried it, it took from and returned to the bowl itself. No more ground-storing!

Learning: I've heard a lot of wailing about having to do combines that someone hasn't done in six months all over again just to get it in the list. My question to them is, if you haven't used it in six months, why do you care if it's listed? I did all of the subcombines for my picnics the old fashioned way, and I had to do 12 final combines the old way before I got a success (I'm only 200 baking), but once I got one success, it joined my list and I ran the rest of the two stacks in a fraction of the time it usually takes. Next time, it'll be there.

Speed: I did two stacks of picnics, a stack of Halas pies and 150 idols last night. I estimate I saved over ten thousand clicks in total, and more than half an hour. 'Nuff said.

Education: Misty Thicket picnics trivial at 355?!? Who'd have known that? A minor point, but it's nice to know exactly. Also, the difficulty list updates in real time. I watched pottery recipes go from yellow to white to dark blue the moment I got skillups. Again, minor, but it's a nice touch, and it makes parts estimating so much easier!

All in all, I'm delighted with the new UI. For cultural, I haven't lost anything, but for stuff that used to be drudgery, now it's much faster and easier. Making my own picnics hasn't been worth it for a while, just because of all the clicking involved. Now, I'm willing to do it again. A skill run that would have blown my whole night now just flies by. To all of the developers who busted their tails to get this in place, you have my undying gratitude. For at least one beleaguered tradeskiller, you've hit the bullseye.

Silverfish

[Cendorly]

I haven't had a chance yet to try out the new UI. I logged in and looked at it, it looks cool, but that's about it.

At first, when I heard about the new UI, I was angry, and felt used, and had similar emotions to the initial poster who started this thread. Then I forgot about it for a few days, and when I thought about it again, I realized this.

I started doing tradeskills waaaay back when for MY own enjoyment and benefit - at the time the prayer shawl and pitted iron ring quest were my driving factors. After those were done, then tradeskills were to make stuff for me, my friends, my twinks, and reselling for some cash. After that, it was to get to 250 in all tradeskills after that...well..I'm still working on that.

I did all my tradeskills the old fashioned way - zillions of clicks, millions of hours farming, etc. I don't care anymore if joe bloe can come in and in 2 hours get from 0 -250 in brewing. Good for him. Will he have the memories of deep and elightening chats with close friends that I had while doing Minotaur brews to help pass the boredom and time?

Once he's ready to work on smithing, will he feel the pain and suffering known as tradeskills putting each component one at a time into the container and holding his breath as he hits combine hoping for a skillup knowing how long it took to get those components for ONE attempt?

Will he be able to make a post like this one saying "I remember the days when I had to do 1,598, 398, 129.93 subcombines to make Heraldic Armor?

No. But I will...

When I am old and gray and EQ is a vague memory, I will forever have the memories of my tradeskill days. I will be able to proudly stand up and say I got to 250 in all tradeskills the OLD FASHIONED WAY

Yes, it's akin to your grandparents telling you how they walked 20 million miles in the snow to school...or freezing in the winter because they didn't have heat but rather had to huddle around a little wood powered stove. But it's more then that. It's the memories. It's the character and the strength and the entertainment and the enjoyment and the fact that I did it.

Congrats to all the future 250er's in JC, Brewing and all other skills because the time has been cut in half. To those people, EQ is just a "game", something to conquer, another stepping stone towards "winning" eq. Maybe to some, the new UI lets them experience tradeskills, something they always wanted to do, but didn't have the time, perserverance, nor will to do it. Now they can, and why not? The new UI is like everything else in society, something comes along that makes it better, some embrace it, some detest it. Some wonder how they lived without it. Some wished they still lived without it.

To me, tradeskills are a huge part of my EQ experience and, my character (both in game and in real life) and have given to me more then I could have ever imagined through the countless hours solo farming while contemplating life, love and beyond...through the endless clicking while sharing each success/failure with friends, through many different ways. I believe that if I used the new UI to level up my tradeskills, it would not be as much fun, rewarding nor memorable as the way I leveled up my tradeskills.

Now before I sign off, let me add a disclaimer. I am not a masocist. Crazy? Possibly...Masocist, definitely not. I am also not shunning the new UI. I believe it is a HUGE boost to the game and to tradeskillers, and I know and believe many, many people will be happy with it. Heck, this new UI actually revived me to thinking that maybe I WILL Do the prayer shawl again with my bard...maybe...

All I am saying is that it's all about the attitude towards the new UI, and the new UI isn't necessarily the "bad" thing that some make it out to seem, nor do the tradeskillers that reach 250 using it are to be looked down upon. They are using a tool that is given to them, and though they have it easier then those that came before them, those that came before them will have their experiences to share. It's all in how you look at it...

Cend