@#$% state of Deleware

[Cigarskunk]

Didn't have anywhere else to scream this and I figure there's gotta be atleast a couple of tradeskillers who appreciate a fine cigar as well - if not, sorry.

Some yahoo descided to make the state of DE into a non-smoking zone. OK, fair enough, if the resteraunts, clubs and bars there don't want my business anymore, no problem.

But then I go to walk into one of my favorite tobaccoe shops and there I see on the door a sign which does not belong in a cigar shop -

Sorry, no smoking

What kinda @#$% idiot passes a law which makes it illegal for folks to smoke in a cigar shop???

It's not as though any customers are going to come in that either a) don't smoke or b) don't have friends/family who smoke.

And for those of you who've never been to a cigar store, I've yet to encounter one where all of the employees weren't smoking a cigar or pipe as well (excluding of course the ones with a store front to a non-smoking mall).

So now all of those big, cumfy chairs which the owner dropped atleast a grand or so on so that customers could hang out, enjoy thier tobaccoe and shoot the breeze with himself or others are pretty much useless unless he wants to hall them out front when it's actually pleasant enough to sit outside.

The pool table in the back room will now gather dust instead of cigar and pipe ash.

An entire social scene has been fubar'd thanks to some health **** who wants me to tollerate every stinking deviante, pervert, drug addict and wierdo, but who won't tollerate my stogie.

AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

I'm heading to McDaniel's Smokes and Spirits in Halas - hopefully the barbarians are civilised enough to still allow folks to enjoy some good leaf.

[Suva]

Yeah, that does seem kinda silly not to allow smoking inside a smoking shop.

I can understand businesses like restaurants for this. While some pipe tobacco and cigars do smell nice, there are a lot that are just plain stinky. I've had to leave work before when a customer in a club I worked for was smoking a cigar so nasty it made me physically ill. I told my boss he needed to make the guy put out the cigar or I was going home cause I could not take the smell. The guy with the cigar had been a regular for years and had just taken up cigar smoking. I went home and the next week ended up with a raise cause my boss felt guilty. My boss must have also spoke with the man after several more somplaints since he did stop smoking the nasty things inside the club. I used to smoke and being that I worked in a club I knew there would be smoke there and it never really bothered me til this.

[Grozza]

You've got only one choice, move to Virginia. I mean really, you live in Delaware, so your at most 100 yards from the Virginia state line

Kind of ironic really that your state is so supressive of smokers when you live so very near to the most unrepentant state of all (yes even moreso than North Carolina where they grow all the tobacco).

[Thorvari]

Actually, not to derail the thread, but Delaware and Virginia don't touch. There is this other state in between called Maryland(I live there).

I don't smoke, but I also think that making tobacco shops non-smoking is pushing it a bit far, but the law they passed probably specified all retail establishments, without making exceptions.

You could suggest that the owner see if he can get a liquor license, even if he didn't sell any. This would allow it to sneak through the loophole for bars, allowing smoking inside.

[Cigarskunk]

Nah, I live in PA in the south east corner of the state - DE border is within walking distance for me - that's why I can boycott all the bars, clubs and resteraunts.

Ironically, I'm in quite the catch 22 seeing as how PA descided that since they can't sue the tobaccoe companies they'd simply jack up the tobaccoe taxes.

/em starts slowly drilling the cherry of his cigar into the backs of the necks of the anti-tobaccoe politians. :twisted:

[Kehvrynne]

/comfort CigarSkunk

I don't smoke (and would probably backstab my kids if they ever started), but I don't have any problem with tobacco afficienados enjoying themselves. To be honest, one of my most cherished childhood memories is the smell of a favorite uncle's apple pipe tobacco. I was SO bummed when he stopped with the pipe in favor of cigarettes...

[Ladyskunk]

Don't worry TS, its already hitting Florida. During the last election cycle, one of the items that was voted on by the citizens was to make all businesses, restaurants and outdoor locations smoke free.

No, I don't smoke, doesn't bother me if anyone does. I myself have my own vices, which soon the government will take the fast food industry to task over.

Ah well,

Take care all.

*hugs*

[ArrakeenNaedShoj]

As an ex-smoker, I generally cannot stand to be around the stuff(both because I hate it, and because I am afraid I will like it). I am also against people smoking in public places(because it's inconsiderate). However when my state recently attempted to pass similar legislation, I voted against it, because it would have made smoking illegal in bars(and tobacco shops).

To me there is no common sense behind that kind of govt. It's one thing to say to a smoker, "hey there are a dozen non-smokers around you that don't want to be around your bad habit" It's entirely different to say, "there are a dozen smokers around you that all want to join you but can't nya nya na nah na."

Welcome to the lunacy of representative beurocratic democracy.(What a dumb idea this was) :roll:

[Iannyen]

hehe

:twisted:
Ex-smoker here.... so I understand how dangerous tobacco smoke can be (you do know its bad for you, right?). I approve of it not being allowed in public places. While it does seem silly for it to not be allowed in a tobacco shoppe, I can also see logic to it. The tobacco shoppe will also sell cigars, etc to people who don't smoke. Keep in mind that even though its a "smoke shop", not everyone that wanders in is necessarily a smoker.

Though personally I think tobacco is a horrible gift for someone you care about, thats neither here nor there.

:twisted:
Humorous aside:
I went to my local gun store the other day, and ****ed if they hadn't passed a law that keeps me from using the dang things on people in the store....
:twisted:

[Cubwynn]

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the concept of being able to smoke in bars... you people are allowed to smoke in bars???????

*wanders off, confused*

[Lilosh]

Re: hehe

Humorous aside:
I went to my local gun store the other day, and ****ed if they hadn't passed a law that keeps me from using the dang things on people in the store....
:twisted:

*giggle*

I'm glad they dont have stupid laws like that here.


-Lilosh

[Lanir Odysia]

It was very odd moving from TX, where every club/bar you go in is full of a cloud of smoke so you aren't quite sure what the person looks like (I'm sure the fact that it's pretty dark in there doesn't help ) to moving to CA where you can't smoke inside anywhere. I for one don't mind. I was only a social smoker anyways and now that I can't smoke inside anywhere I don't feel the need to do it at all. (course I had pretty much stopped before I moved anyway) So anyway not sure if any of this makes sense as I have a cold and my head hurts and well I think I'll just stop typing now.

[ArrakeenNaedShoj]

Yeah, I once had a job that used to fly me out to california all the time to work on servers(at least that's what I said I was doing) and it was always a shock to walk up to a bar and not see ash trays and matches everywhere.

Of course what was worse was being in Pheonix and the only place you could smoke was in a bar. Only since I wasn't 21 yet(was 20) I couldn't even go inside one to. Not even to have a freaking coke and a cig. The officer that dragged me out had the nerve to say that because I wasn't 21 I couldn't be in there without a Parent or Gaurdian. I was like, "Jigga What. What kind of crack does this state smoke? It's okay johnny, you can live on your own, hold your own job, make your own decisions, pay your own bills/taxes, and even go to war and die for your country, but you can't go in that building and drink a coke without your mommy."

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Glatius2]

It's okay johnny, you can live on your own, hold your own job, make your own decisions, pay your own bills/taxes, and even go to war and die for your country, but you can't go in that building and drink a coke without your mommy."

Slight derail, what can I say? I admit I've found it incredibly inconsistant for American society to say at 18 you can have consensual intercourse, you can vote in National elections, you can join the Armed Forces and kill people for your country, but you can't walk into a bar and order a rum and coke.

Either you're responsible or you aren't. If you're of an age where your society is going to consider you responsible for your own affairs, then that should encompass all aspects of life.

[ArrakeenNaedShoj]

Either you're responsible or you aren't. If you're of an age where your society is going to consider you responsible for your own affairs, then that should encompass all aspects of life.

The reasoning, like everything else is all in statistics. Studies have consistently shown that states with lower drinking ages(some still have (or at least 10 years ago did) 18+ rules) have 40% more accidents caused by drunk driving per capita than those that don't. This isn't true of any other country for some reason(canada is 18+, and england has no minimum, both countries don't have near the same percentage of fatalities etc.) but here in the states that's the way it works.

I am not saying I agree with the double standard of it's okay for us to force you to go die for our goals but not okay for you to drink what you want when you want. In fact I find it highly infuriating. But at the same time I have lost 3 friends/family members to drunk drivers. Two of which were caused by highschool/college age drivers.

Unfortunately there are more dumb people in the world with no self control than there are sensible people and the rest of us need to be protected from the morons. Sometimes I would rather be *permanently* protected from them, but that's just impractical and selfish.