You'll get no sympathy here!

[Dunthor Warsmith]

"Pets" are such a vague topic. The term encompasses a wide variety of effects. Druids and clerics/wizards do not share the same type of pet (by most definitions at least), although they do all get pets. One possible rough categorization:

There are the archetypal pets: The mage, necro, shadowknight, shaman, druid, and modern beastlord pets. Fully controllable, never master-attacking (rogue pets asside), persistant, can use equipment, and basically consistant with each other.

The charm pets: Fully controllable (get lost asside), persistant mobs, can use equipment, but pet status is temporary. Enchanters, druids, necros, mages can all have these.

The uncontrollable pets: /pet commands do not function at all, but the pet is never master-attacking, persistant, and I think they can use equipment other than weapons. The enchanter pet (pre relevant AAs) falls in this category, and the "psuedo" pets such as the BBM begger and LDoN helpers are a subcategory of this.

The aggro pets: Never master attacking, despawning once hate list is cleared. Gear can be found on the occasional rogue corpse, so probably equipment users. Not sure of controllability. Clerics and wizards get these pets via spells, and mages, shamans, ?wizards? through AA. (there are class-specific proc weapons which spawn pets in this category as well, but those aren't spells)

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I guess you could sum this up as:

You'll get no sympathy from a cleric, druid, or wizard when complaining about your class's pet capabilities
(probably enchanters, too)

[kiztent]

Originally posted by Dunthor Warsmith
I guess you could sum this up as:

You'll get no sympathy from a cleric, druid, or wizard when complaining about your class's pet capabilities
(probably enchanters, too)

Or shaman or shadowknights.

[bearcaller]

Originally posted by kiztent
Or shaman or shadowknights.

Missed the point completely kiztent. Pets are what make shaman overpowered as it is right now. And SK's have nothing to complain about either as they are a primarily melee class and at level 52 recieve the lvl 39 necro pet and at 58 the 44 necro pet.

[kiztent]

Originally posted by bearcaller
Missed the point completely kiztent. Pets are what make shaman overpowered as it is right now. And SK's have nothing to complain about either as they are a primarily melee class and at level 52 recieve the lvl 39 necro pet and at 58 the 44 necro pet.

I have both classes at level 65, thanks. You'd get no sympathy complaining about your pet to me unless you were a druid.

[bearcaller]

Originally posted by Kiztent
I have both classes at level 65, thanks. You'd get no sympathy complaining about your pet to me unless you were a druid.

My original post.

Originally posted by bearcaller
...when a shaman (or any class with a pet--clerics and wizzys included) complains to a druid that their pet is underpowered....

[Shaman Arriana]

Shamans being overpowered is funny enough, but to justify the statement by way of the PETS? OMG, funniest thing I've read in weeks.

[bearcaller]

yup, pets.....

Ever hear of a druid soloing WW dragons, Wuoshi, pretty much any non ToV/SS/VP dragon? How about lodi? Granted a druid can solo lodi but only after 27 AA, a shaman can do it with ease at lvl 65 with 0 AA. Heck, a shammy friend of mine kills Guardian wurms in SF and solo's the entire punisher/enforcer camp in poj for fun and AA. The pet makes it all possible.

[Shaman Arriana]

yup, pets.....

Stop, you're killing me.

Ever hear of a druid soloing

WW dragons

Yes. Before SoL came out. So no AA, even.

Wuoshi

Haven't heard of a DRUID soloing this one, But there is an enchanter and a paladin both on my server who have done so.

pretty much any non ToV/SS/VP dragon?

Since that pretty much cuts the list down to outdoor kunark dragons, again...Yes. The aforementioned paladin who killed Wuoshi also killed Gorenaire and Talendor the same day. Druids have killed Severilous for sure, and I've heard stories about a druid who killed Faydedar for his own epic drop.

How about lodi?

I personally know WARRIORS who have solo'd Lodi, pre-PoP.

All of this nonsense aside, there's not a single bit of proof in any of this that shamans are somehow overpowered. Your whole basis for your arguement seems to be on the mythology that dragons are hard because they are dragons. People wouldn't be making a big issue out of this if the game put froglok models on these mobs instead of dragons. Sadly, it's exactly this kind of thought that has kept the shaman class from getting any kind of notable upgrade since Kunark. We were able to coast by on Slow for a while, but with PoP and slow mitigation, it just isn't there anymore.

[Lilosh]

Originally posted by kiztent
I'd prefer you keep your responses to one a thread and try not to derail it too much.

[Renjah]

Complaining to an aspiring tailor about being broke... I hated ppl when they complained about being broke and not being able to afford reagents. I was a 200 tailor at the time I wanted to SMACK them

[Minta Rose]

(Minta hopskips around, even more jittery than usual, doing the unmistakable I-gotta-go dance.)

Umm. . .tell a necro that your DoT has no place to land, an' tell a mage or necro that nobody can pet-tank new planes, an' tell ANYbody you can't find a cheap focus effect. . .an' hurry fastfastfastplease!

[Draggar]

..when you complain to Kiztent about your thread being hijacked.

(BTW - I stole that image for my use, Lilosh)

[Sanna]

Originally posted by Draggar
..when you complain to Kiztent about your thread being hijacked.

*cracks up*

And look! IT WASN'T ME! mwahahha!

... erm...

-- Sanna
runs away.

[Lilosh]

Originally posted by Draggar
..when you complain to Kiztent about your thread being hijacked.

(BTW - I stole that image for my use, Lilosh)

I believe the phrase for images like those is "Image Macros"


and ya'll wouldn't believe how many I have. :-)


-Lilosh

[kiztent]

Originally posted by Sanna
*cracks up*

And look! IT WASN'T ME! mwahahha!

... erm...

-- Sanna
runs away.

You tried, we didn't let you.

I figured it would get highjacked sooner or later. Was pretty happy with the responses I got anyway