Training problems elsewhere?

[Sanna]

Yesterday, I dinged 51. It should have been the happiest day of my EQ career so far.


Instead, I am so depressed that I am almost considering not signing on to EQ for a very long time. If not ever.



Yes, I play on Sullon. Yes, I recommend that you stay the heck away. Especially now.


Does anyone else on any other server ever have this horrible problem with being trained while on raids? I guess corpse camping doesn't exist outside of the Zek servers..... Are there guild rivalries so potent that a guild will go out of their way to @#$% over another guild's raid? For over a year? Do the GMs spout utter @#$% at you when you attempt to report being trained? Has anyone else been banned for ninjalooting the mob that killed the rest of their guild?


my whole goal of playing EQ has dissolved in the last 30 hours. I feel like i've been abandoned and disowned. I feel lost, like I have no where to go. I am afraid to log on, like the last tiny rays of anything resembling hope have been obscured. I've tried to keep my head above water, but.... I'm not cut out to be the strong one.

I want to cry. I want things to go back to what they were. I want to go back to last november and never have started this game.


I......

i just don't know.

-- Sanna
i'd be crying, but i'm too dazed....

[Falmorn]

Sanna,

I'm an irregular poster at best; mostly I like to watch, read, laugh and cry. But I'd like to at least give back a little to the community that I've joined, and it won't be in tradeskilling (I'm not on often enough).

So here's where I start.

I'm *really* sorry to hear that you've encountered the nasty side of EQ. You have my empathy and emotional support in this space you find yourself in. And for whatever it's worth, a couple of thoughts:

You have at least some community here on the EQTC forums. We seem to be the most civil and friendly bunch out of the range of people who play EQ and who participate on boards, and we're good at offering support. So you're not completely alone.

I play on Rodcet Nife, in probably one of the least uber guilds on the server. So I've never been hit with the vengeance train. The stupidity train, however, has stopped by me to say "hi" on several occasions, however. So while I wish that I could offer a related story of how things all worked out in the end, I have none to tell.

I'll pause for a moment to insert the obligatory cliches: cliche, cliche, cliche.

I can only say that if you need to step away from the game for a while, do so. If you're going to come back to the game to enjoy it, take whatever time you need to get yourself into a better headspace. If you think a longer break might be in order, then do so.

But remember that there are people out there who have cheered you on and been there for you when things got tough. I believe in most circles, they're called friends.

Random poster and emotional cheerleader,
Fal

[askyn]

/hug

Sooo sorry to here this.

But things like this is exactly the reason I have vowed to never play on a red server.

The game was designed for PvE ... they than tacked on and are STILL tring to make work PvP rule sets.

The sad thing is .. there are no really negitives for people that want to be total jerks on PvP servers. =(

There should have been a design feature set to track how and what people kill etc. And, when the limits are pushed .. they get punished.

Other than saying that I give you what moral support I can, I can invite you to come visit me on my server MT ... very pleasent layed back .. and lots of friendly people.

If you come .. send a tell to any Random Acts guild member and say hi and ask if anyone is on that can group at your lvl range =)

[Balkin]

*sigh*

That has to REALLY suck.

I'm sorry to hear about this, truely.

Sullon Zek is by far the cruelest, nastiest haven for scum, losers, and dirtbags on the planet. Not that ALL people on Sullon are like that of course, not even most (I have a low level character there afterall. LOL ), but it does attract the worste of the lot.

It's the virtual "no rules" aspect of it. I know there are SOME rules, but not many. And as far as I know, training people is perfectly normal, and accepted. There's just no recourse against jerks like this, unless you organize your guild to kill him and camp his corpse. Even that might not deter him though.

I suggest you take a few days off, and regroup. If you need to, play a character on a blue server for a while, then go back to Sullon. Just playing on a PVP server means you're subjecting yourself to idiots like this, and you need a break!

See ya in a few days.

[Sanna]

SullonZek Rule 13:

Rules such as the Play Nice Policy do not apply to this server when there is a PvP solution available. Characters have the ability on this server to deal with their conflicts through combat. Causing experience loss by 'training' NPCs on other characters would normally not be an offense that would warrant a warning this server. But training done to others on the same team, thus eliminating any PvP solution, is a violation of the Play Nice Policies.

Italics/bold mine.




There are three Good-aligned high-level raiding guilds. Two of them hate the other one so intensely that they have made half the members reroll to the other team, just so they can level up and PK them.

The only problem is, I started this game to raid with that vicitimized guild, before they had 2 other guilds to worry about, only one.


I cannot fathom why people are so self centered that they will write of others who are supposed to be on their own team, in favor of 'me, me, me, and **** the rest of you all ****ing bastards to hell.' And I don't particularly care what part of that sentence gets caught by the filters.



My entire goal of EQ has dissolved in the last 48 hours. I love my char, I love to tradeskill with her, but I can't even log on anymore.

It's not my friends who are the problem. It's the people I used to respect, because they were the servers last hope. Now they've given up and turn tail like **** cowards. My friends aren't strong enough to protect the rest of the clean-minded people from the idiots.

In other words, we've lost.

Thank you for your words of comfort, I do appreciate them. And if I can bear to click on that EQ icon again, I probably will go to some random server, just to be a noob again, and forget.

I still wish I had never started this game. Pain like this is never worth it.

-- Sanna
/crying.

[kiztent]

All I can say is that I'm glad Sullon Zek exists. Because those people might be on my server if it didn't. And actually quite a few of them are from time to time, but that's another story.

Sanna. Chin up.

If these events on Sullon bother you so much, start as a noob somewhere. I'd be willing to bet the EQTC community might give you a leg up. I know I've got some gear and cash I could spare (a fully equipped emeraldbot for example), but I'm on the expensive server.

The game is a lot more fun when you don't have to watch over your shoulder and people are online in a helpful mentality (well, mostly, but I'm sure you're not interested in uberguild politics).

[Saleani]

Are there guild rivalries so potent that a guild will go out of their way to @#$% over another guild's raid? For over a year?

Yes. And the rivalry is so bad that when one of the guilds break up, many of the members have to leave the server because no guild will take them. When PoP came out, one guild would blow events so that the enemy guild cannot do the event. That one guild would farm non blowable events to prevent the other guild from getting elemental flagged. Out of spite, one guild's members would deliberately train NToV dragons onto another guild's raid. Deliberately open the door to Hall of Testing. Train King Tormax to your raid just to wipe it. Train the arena all the way to your guild's prep area to wipe your King Tormax raid. Train Mithaniel Marr to the zone in/graveyard to wipe a raid. I have seen this happen on 2 bluebie servers. Sullon is no exception. At the Las Vegas Fan Faire, one person took things too serious and punched out another person at the Fan Faire. The assailant got a permanent vacation from Norrath.

My server has a website which keeps track of everyone who ever rolled up a character on that server. I am surprised it has not been shut down because of stalkers. If you go there, look on the left for Find Name... Put my name into that box and hit enter. Then click on my name (in the center frame), and look at the history of my character. Someone wants to join your guild? Type their name in. Were they ever a member of the enemy? Blackball them.

Grats on 51.
Take a few days off. I do that from time to time.

[Laureana]

Im sorry youve had to deal with such jerks.. I never have played on a regular basis on the pvp servers though simply because Ive always expected that sort of thing to happen there. I know they have play nice policies but still, just seems like it'd come with the territory, unfortunately :\ My advice would be to take a break from the game, and when/if you decide to come back try your luck on a regular server

[Cigarskunk]

Re: Training problems elsewhere?

Originally posted by Sanna Does anyone else on any other server ever have this horrible problem with being trained while on raids? I guess corpse camping doesn't exist outside of the Zek servers..... Are there guild rivalries so potent that a guild will go out of their way to @#$% over another guild's raid? For over a year? Do the GMs spout utter @#$% at you when you attempt to report being trained? Has anyone else been banned for ninjalooting the mob that killed the rest of their guild?

There have been plenty of times on blue servers were guilds have screwed other guilds events or raids "accidentally" as well as waiting for one guild to knock a clear path through to a particular mob and then rush through the gap and ninja the boss mob from the raiding guild - and let's not forget those yahoos that woke the Sleeper on Xev.

So yeah, guild rivalries have caused crap like this for years on the blue servers - the guilds there have to be a bit more subtle about things when they do major screwings of other guilds since the GMs are more prone to do something about lousy behavior on blue servers, but otherwise, it's not too different.

As for the ninjalooter - is perhaps that betrayal by your fellow guild member - perhaps someone you had thought to be a friend the real focus here? I can't imagine someone who's made it to 51 on a red server being this upset over a mere bit of training?

my whole goal of playing EQ has dissolved in the last 30 hours. I feel like i've been abandoned and disowned. I feel lost, like I have no where to go. I am afraid to log on, like the last tiny rays of anything resembling hope have been obscured. I've tried to keep my head above water, but.... I'm not cut out to be the strong one.

How so? Again, this is sounding more like a personal betrayal, probobly connected to the ninjalooting you mentioned, as compared to simply being choked due to folks playing dirty with each other?

I want to cry. I want things to go back to what they were. I want to go back to last november and never have started this game.
I......
i just don't know.
-- Sanna
i'd be crying, but i'm too dazed....

Did you know that this is the only way that folks on red servers can win EQ?

They force someone to quit the server, ideally quit the game and preferably in the emotional state that it would seem that you're in right now.

That's the whole point of these people's existance - they feed on this kinda stuff - driving someone to this point is just as thrilling for them as scoring the winning point in an important sporting event in RL is to others.

So I guess the question you have to ask yourself is "Do I want to feed this kind of ghoulish behavior? Am I going to be the meat and potatoes of some mal-adjusted 13 year olds feast of human suffering and misery? Do I really want to give this reject the pleasure of my greif to get off on when he's not busy torturing the neighbor's cat?"

[Sanna]

Saeliani - wow. that record keeping thing is... creepy. o.0


thanks all for the support. aside from the 2 guild boards I go to (which of course have 100x the turmoil I do, due to this last weekend), EQTC is the only other place I know to go, to talk about EQ stuff.



Cigar - the ninjalooting mentioned was not the betrayal. I know I didn't exactly state enough details to make that clear; my fault.

One guild, 'P-guild', has been training or otherwise screwing over everything that 'C-guild' (with which I am affiliated) has been trying to do, for at least a year and a half. (Just about everything Saeliani mentioned has been done by P to C, and more.)

On more than one occasion, P-guild damages themselves so badly taking down the mob that we have claimed, that they cannot loot the items from it. A friend of mine waits for the loot timer to let up, then gets the items. He has received 'disciplinary action to his account' for these instances, on the reason that he ninjalooted. (This has happened 2x in regards to Kael mobs, and at least 1 other time, that might have been a Velious planar mob boss.)

This time, he asked the GM, 'why is it considered ninjalooting if I had to wait for the loot-timer to let up? After three minutes, the mob is fair game, is it not? This is the point of the loot-timer, is it not?' The GM did not answer the question, and reprimanded him anyway.



The betrayal mentioned was that the person whom I possibly had the most respect for on this entire server, the leader of the guild I had wanted to be in so much that I started playing this game... He got fed up with the training problems and the pansy-answers of the GMs... He left his charactor and his account, got another account and rolled a neutral charactor (we are goods). About 20 of the 30 most central players in the guild went with him. Some got new accounts, some deleted their charactors. Since the GMs are no help, they are taking the 'legal' way of getting back at the people who have hacked them off for the past year.

The only problem is, the entire Good team has lost a lot of respect in the eyes of the entire server. Goods are ashamed to be Goods. Members of C-guild are so ashamed that some have left and gone to various other guilds; some even went to P-guild! /boggle.





There have been so many days when I have wished, fervently, that I had not started on Sullon. I started to play with my roommate... who started to play with her boyfriend... who I guess started to play with his roommate... who is one of the best Good-team PKers on the entire server.... and now we're just all in the trash. My roommate too, bless her heart. She was actually IN C-guild longer than I was; these people were her actual friends, not just people she respected and looked up to. I have my main guild that I'm a part of; I 'just' raided with C-guild. In a sense, I have someone to fall back on. She does not.


But....

I've put so much time and effort into Iroke... Baking 216, level 51, max wis of 255 with no kei by level 48... I'm too poor to transfer her anywhere else, and just don't have the guts to try to level anyone else on another server up again...


We'll see what happens. I've gotten over most of the black-funk of the weekend, and was cajoled to log Iroke on to pick up a glowing wurm bile for 5th shawl by the roommate.... and ended up helping to nearly take down a red-con DE necro who picked a fight with three of us, and then ran us all over GD trying to get away.... It was odd to play, like I wasn't really there.

(I'm a druid, you'd think I could cask Skin Like Rock or something, at least....)

Thanks for the messages. ^_^ /hug all.


-- Sanna
you know that feeling when you first hear a bird in the spring, and suddenly realize that the coldness of winter is past, that you haven't heard that sound for a while? A bird just started chirping outside my window....

[Lothay]

This thread is closed.

This is not the place to discuss, even if you are taking care to disguise the names, the guild politics of a PvP server.

This sort of thing belongs on your guild boards or your server boards, or even on Sony's boards, but not here.