Bard songs while in trader mode.....

[Ortrillian]

Really tick me off. I am so sick of having bards go AFK while in tradermode ALL DAY/NIGHT spamming the banks and my own trader with songs. How @$%@$%@$%@^%$%@#$@% hard is it to just add some code that makes it so you can't go AFK /trader with songs on? It's bad enough with the @%@% casino /random spam constantly.

And NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I don't want the freaking "you are protected" spam bs to go to another window, I want it so they CAN NOT have songs on at all while in trader mode. In fact all songs should be banned in the bazaar the only reason to have any song playing is for CHA for buying and selling with merchants, if they even get a song for CHA. Opal encrusted steins are 10pp now I'll even give them the plat or make them the steins if it will just shut them up!

At the very least make it so that /ignore will actually *concept here* IGNORE that person's songs! /boggle


Thx for shopping at PissedMart

[KyrosKrane]

While I agree that bards who do this should be strapped to a waterbed and then tickled until they laugh so hard they can't breathe (and therefore can't sing), there are valid reasons to allow songs in the bazaar.

As you said, there are CHA songs that affect merchant buying and selling prices. The bazaar also has an arena, and if bards head in there, it would be silly to make them fight without their songs. You can do tradeskills in the bazaar (the no-weight-limit in the zone makes it much easier to prepare smithing runs requiring blocks of ore), and bards have songs that can raise WIS and INT. Groups can also use the bazaar as an assembly point and buff station (though the Nexus or PoK is far more common.)

I wouldn't mind bards playing any song they like if I can control whether I see the messages. Since I keep logging turned on 24/7, these songs simply fill up my logs with bucketloads of spam I don't need. Let me turn them off, and everyone is happy. Bards can still play their songs, but I don't need to worry about it.

They let us turn off damage messages, even ones indicating your own character being hit. Why not let us hide messages that we WEREN'T hit?

[Tinile]

Move to a quieter area. You have the choice whether to get pissed off or not.

[Zacatac]

Actually, you can filter those now.

Make a new window. Put the /random messages from annoying casinos in there. Put the "song/spell misses" into that box (forget 100% what they call it, but it is there).

Then reduce the box and put it off to the side.

I don't get bard spam or random spam in my main boxes now.

[Eumerin]

I think the most important thing is that anything that can spam you has a chance of making you go LD. It might not be likely, but the bard songs do contribute to the general "clutter" in the zone.

Does anyone know what GMs do if petitioned about annoying AFK bards in the Bazaar?

[Traska]

My trader is a bard. My bard plays her song of sustanance when in trader mode.

Once upon a time, it was because trader mode did not feed you. But now, it's because there are times I'll mysteriously find myself "bumped out" of trader mode. I'll turn on my monitor in the morning, and poof, no trader mode.

This would be all well and good, if not for one thing.

I deal primarily in baked goods. Which means if I get bumped out of trader mode, I'm literally eating my profits.

So I go for the lesser of two evils. If they'd alter the code to where setting foot in the bazaar eliminated food and water usage, then yes, I'd stop singing. But until then....

[GraemeFaelban]

I have never been bumped out of trader mode, never heard of it happenning before actually. Personally, I have never been afflicted with a bard singing near me in the bazaar, but, it would not bother me in the least to see them disable songs while in trader mode.

[Arrica]

You can't cast spells while in trader, why should they be able to sing? There has been a time or two when I've been setting up in bazaar on a crowded night before going to bed, and had a friend or guildie in zone ask for a quick SoW, however, before they upped the max number of traders it could be rather frustrating if I had already set trader, as some nights it could take quite a while to get a free slot.

[Cigarskunk]

Well, I know that we're not supposed to share exploits on these boards, but seeing how choked off you seem to be, I'll share this one with you.

If you go into your filters, there's an option for turning off bard songs outright or to only set them so that you get messages when your group's bard casts them.

Personally, I don't need to be reminded every six seconds that the bard is healing, mana regening, hasting, etc me - I figure if he's made it high enough to group with my 54 SK, he knows how to twist songs and what songs to twist by now, so I've ALWAYS have mine turned off.

So that's my little exploit to deal with bard spam everywhere - of course, word will probobly eventually get out about this and then Sony will nerf it so that you HAVE to get bard spam, so enjoy it while you can.

As you said, there are CHA songs that affect merchant buying and selling prices.

A valid enough point, but then again, the bazaar merchants are pretty much all greedy except for the ore gnome, so selling there isn't the brightest of ideas.

The bazaar also has an arena, and if bards head in there, it would be silly to make them fight without their songs.

LOL - yes, we all know how heavily the areans are used.

You can do tradeskills in the bazaar (the no-weight-limit in the zone makes it much easier to prepare smithing runs requiring blocks of ore), and bards have songs that can raise WIS and INT.

You can, but with the lag, who would want to - I've only smithed in the bazaar as a last ditch peice of desperation - best to simply zone into SH and smith there.

Groups can also use the bazaar as an assembly point and buff station (though the Nexus or PoK is far more common.)

I have never seen nor heard of any guild in thier right or wrong mind assembling in the bazaar - with all of the lag and spam it's suicide. Besides, even if someone was dumb enough to do this, the bards still don't need to start singing until the raid gets to were it wants to be, plus, every raid I've ever been in will always buff up at the actual raid zone itself.

[Iannyen]

Cigar = sploiter!! BAN HIM!!

[Nhin Impious]

I figure if he's made it high enough to group with my 54 SK, he knows how to twist songs and what songs to twist by now, so I've ALWAYS have mine turned off.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

The nice thing about LDON is that people will now have to learn to play their classes, not just bring along their level 9,000,000 whatever with them for uber healing/buffing/nuking. Unfortunately, they all seem to be doing their learning while grouped with ME.

I'm high enough to group with a 54 SK, and since Tuesday I've heard the following:

(group grabs a sixth member by /oocing "Need Shammy or BL for slower please")
Group leader (after a total wipe): Shammy, were your slows being resisted? Because wow, it didn't seem like those mobs were slowed at all.
Shaman: Oh, you wanted me to slow the mobs?

(we go to a dungeon full of undead. I'm pulling. Phabos is tanking.)
Group leader /tells me: Hey, why don't you let the paladin pull?
Me: Because I'm 4 levels higher, I have a better Pacify, and if I overpull because Pacify fails, I have Divine Aura and Divine Barrier and he doesn't. I would have ended up rezzing him on that last pull, but I made it ok. Why do you ask?
Group leader: Well, you're sure taking a lot of damage.
Me: That might be because I'm pulling, snaring, DoTting, meleeing, and throwing CHs on the tank, and don't have time or mana to heal myself. Most pullers have someone healing them; what's the druid doing? Because I could use a few small heals.
Group leader: Oh, she's never seen a cleric pull before, she didn't realize she was supposed to be healing.

I guess she was so in shock to see a cleric use their pretty shiny armor and hammer that she'd managed to get through three rooms of a dungeon just sitting at her keyboard with her mouth agape, because she sure as heck wasn't casting anything or meleeing.

And the funniest thing of all...not a dungeon, but a planes group:

Group leader to druid (who is apparently continuously sitting on their butt without standing to cast): What snare are you using, because it's really being resisted?
Druid: Huh? I'm not snaring.
Me: (pipes up) Um, that's my snare, it's a right-clicky.
Group leader: Oh. Um, druid, if you're not too busy nuking the mobs, could you go ahead and snare them toward the end of the fight?
Druid: Huh? I'm not nuking.
Me: (pipes up) Um, that's me nuking.
Group leader: Oh. Um, druid, do you want to help us out with some DoTs while you're healing folks?
Druid: Huh?
Me: Um, that's me healing, too.
Group leader: Hmmmmmm.
Wizard: Hey, I can take out my evac and put in another nuke if the druid wants to handle the evac.
Druid: I don't have an evac for this zone though...
(wizard goes over and draws little stick figures on the floor and repeats the words "les-ser suc-cor" several times)
Me to group leader: Uh, if she doesn't know she has an evac, I don't really think she's gonna understand how to use it...
Group leader to me: Good point.
Druid /says: Hey! Why'd I get removed from the group?

Nhinx Aphsion
(who gets an up-close personal view of the healer classes who don't know their jobs, that's all)

[KyrosKrane]

Originally posted by Cigarskunk
If you go into your filters, there's an option for turning off bard songs outright or to only set them so that you get messages when your group's bard casts them.

Unfortunately, Cigar, that still doesn't filter out the, "Foobar tries to cast a spell on you, but you are protected!" messages that scroll by when a bard is playing an attack song. This is what mainly gets my goat. My trader has ALL the options turned off save for tells and (sometimes) /ooc, /auc, and /shout. I still get those "protected" messages. At one message per six seconds over several hours, that's a whole lot of spam to sort through in my log files.

A valid enough point, but then again, the bazaar merchants are pretty much all greedy except for the ore gnome, so selling there isn't the brightest of ideas.

Have you done the faction necklace quest enough times? I've done it enough that I can get either best prices or close to best prices at under 100 CHA without wearing the necklace. With my CHA mug, I always get best prices in the bazaar. For some reason, I've never seen bazaar vendors get greedy and hike up prices. At least, not the NPC vendors. *grumble*

You can, but with the lag, who would want to - I've only smithed in the bazaar as a last ditch peice of desperation - best to simply zone into SH and smith there.

The lag is irritating, true, but the bazaar is still easily the most convenient place for working with blocks of ore. Before I had 100% WR bags, this was the only place I could buy 20-30 blocks at once and lug them to the forge to make into folded sheets. This is particularly true for HQ ore; it's quite a long walk through SH (possibly even without SoW, as you can't cast in there) to lug the blocks to a forge. PoK is a bit better, but I almost died there when I walked over a rock carrying a few backpacks full of ore. =/

Edited to add this paragraph: I did most of my Fine Steel work in the bazaar too for the same reasons -- all the vendor-sold components are available in one zone, and if I ever ran out of Leather Padding, I could buy some more (or the components, as time permitted) without ever having to zone. Don't discount the convenience of not zoning when doing tradeskills; it outweighed a great deal of lag for me.

I have never seen nor heard of any guild in thier right or wrong mind assembling in the bazaar

LOL. Granted. It's still theoretically possible, though.

[Ortrillian]

If it was not directly behind the bank I would not have a problem with it. My problem with it is that I stand at the bank for long periods of time sorting things, moving things etc. doing general banking stuff and having 3 bards constantly spam songs you can't even read your guildchat. There has been instances where someone goes afk in the middle of bank 2 with a song on for hours. If I were a bard going AFK for a while with food song on I'd at least go afk away from people as not to bother them.

I've moved the /random stuff but I can't find a way to get rid of the song spam. I tried all the options for bard songs that are available in the options menu but I still get the messages. Simplest solution is to make it so you can /ignore even the songs that can't hit you IE the ones that give you that protected message.

GM's & Senior guides on TZ (<3 Cronn), can move someone from one spot in the zone to another. On several occations they have moved long AFK bards with songs on from the bank area to a less trafficed/populated area of the bazaar. And that's great when they are on.

Spam is spam imo. People get warnings and what not for spamming things in channels and I think that bard song spam is much worse because you get the message so frequently.

If someone is tradeskilling with songs on in the baz that's fine because they aren't going to stand say at the kiln for 5 hours straight, they will move on eventually. But really I've found that the bazaar isn't a great place to TS, PoK is much better or even SH if you aren't on a PvP server.

Anyway, thx for letting me vent.

[Tobin Itharel]

Auto AFK

Simple way to fix problem in the bazaar....

Auto AFK - If character does not move or send key to game in 10 mins time the game sends a "/AFK" command in the bazaar. ALL songs are stopped at this time also. This simple fix would cover anything a bard at the keyboard wants to do and would not allow people to use the zone to exploit songs to skill up. There should be NO place where a bard can sing a damage song and have no risk, but that is another topic.

Another point to the "Auto AFK" would be, people would see who is there to maybe bargin price with instead of sending tells to people who have been AFK for hours.

Originally posted by Traska
My trader is a bard. My bard plays her song of sustanance when in trader mode.

Once upon a time, it was because trader mode did not feed you. But now, it's because there are times I'll mysteriously find myself "bumped out" of trader mode. I'll turn on my monitor in the morning, and poof, no trader mode.

This would be all well and good, if not for one thing.

I deal primarily in baked goods. Which means if I get bumped out of trader mode, I'm literally eating my profits.

So I go for the lesser of two evils. If they'd alter the code to where setting foot in the bazaar eliminated food and water usage, then yes, I'd stop singing. But until then....

Simple fix here too... NO FOOD EATEN by ANYONE ANYWHERE in bazaar

[Traska]

Simple fix here too... NO FOOD EATEN by ANYONE ANYWHERE in bazaar

See one inch above this...

If they'd alter the code to where setting foot in the bazaar eliminated food and water usage

=P