XP Question

[Kieroth_whiteleaf]

Smittens (my troll SK hunting buddy) and I were talking today, and we have a question:

Normally, a troll takes an XP hit. Does the same hit apply to AA?

I'm not sure how the math breaks down, so the numbers are made up, but trying to explain the question better.

Suppose it takes 100 points for me (normal race/class combo, no XP penalties/benefits) to level.

I kill a mob and it gives me 10 points.

Which of the following would be true:

Smittens (troll) has (hypothetical number) a 20% hit on xp. Does that mean:

He needs 120 points to level, but still gets 10 points per kill

OR

He needs 100 points to level, but only gets 8 points per kill

?

The reason for asking this is AA... if he went all out into AA, would he progress at the same rate on the AA bar as someone else or would he advance slowly in that as well?

And if the first scenario is true, is AA a set value, or do trolls have a penalty to their AA in addition to their normal XP curve?

Thx all
SFG

[Inyidd]

The XP penalty applies to normal XP. The only XP you get is "normal." So, as far as I know, it would apply to AA XP because, well, it's normal. See?

[Dunthor Warsmith]

The XP penalty applies to normal XP. The only XP you get is "normal." So, as far as I know, it would apply to AA XP because, well, it's normal. See?

There was a bug in early Luclin such that hybrids set to 100% AA xp would get the remove-penalty-via-extra-percent-xp-per-kill bonus applied to the AA points as well. I think this resulted in hybrids gaining AA faster than a "normal" class (which would imply that the class penalty did not apply to AA). Assuming racial penalties work similarly to class penalties, that would imply that the race penalty is not applied to AA either. That assumption could easily be wrong, though.

[Aryse Andenter]

Race penalties do not apply to AA xp, at least not in the case of Iksar.

It's been analysed by necros trying to decide the best race for the class, and I've seen it in an iksar and erudite grouped together for over 100 AA getting them at exactly the same rate. However, I haven't heard anyone say definatively how xp penalties are actually applied (whether per kill or per level).

[Xorithra L`Amante]

Up until 65 and a little beyond, my boyfriend and I would try to keep our experience at the same level. We have four characters total -- High Elf Cleric, High Elf Enchanter, Erudite Shadowknight, and Half-Elf Rogue. We only played together, we frequently kept track of our experience to make sure we were still on the same level (down to the notches) and if one of us was not (someone died and missed out on experience or what not) we'd work on catching that person up (PL that character and let them get the kills if one was really far behind). We also kept track of AAs this way as well. After all that... the darn Rogue would beat us all! We figured it out one day, and it was like 1 AA more per every 10AA, but I'm not exactly certain. It's been a year or so since we've kept track of experience. (After we capped, we kept track of AAs for a few months).

But from experience, the bonuses (at least) are taken into account for AA.

[The Judge, Alchem]

I had a question to ask as well. I heard long time ago that melee got more exp per kill than pure casters because of the danger of less AC and Hps and so forth. Someone actually related it to me once as they get more exp because they are suppose to die protecting the casters. Many days this seems laughable but on others I find some logic to it, any confirmation?

[Ngreth Thergn]

There USED to be class EXP differences, but they removed it a few years ago.

[Agosia]

Over the course of many hours of exp I've noticed that a warrior friend of mine gets AAs faster than I do (enchanter). Of course it wasn't a scientific test, but I would note my experience when he dinged and then note it when he dinged again and it wasn't 1:1.

[Dunthor Warsmith]

When they removed the class-based XP penalties, they left in the class-based XP bonuses as they did not want this change to be taken as a nerf in any way. I believe the one and only class with an XP bonus was&is warriors. That could potentially account for the difference.

I really wish I could find that patch message/press release that said all this ...

[Dunthor Warsmith]

Ah ha! Found a copy of it, at http://everquest.allakhazam.com/edit...rs_letter.html . The original, which according to the Alla patch message copy (its too old for the EQlive archives) was at http://everquest.station.sony.com/news/letter.shtml - its a 404 now, and I cannot find an equivalent on EQLive, through messing with the URL or exploring the assorted archives.

The relevant bonus quote for my above post (about warrior xp):

5. Class-based experience bonuses (which warriors and rogues get) are also not appropriate, as they cannot be so if penalties are not. However, we've decided to leave this as-is, since the bonus is not so severe as to be unbalancing. Bottom line: we don't feel the bonus is enough to warrant a fix that could be interpreted as a 'nerf'.

The message is from January 2001, which is too old for direct commentary on AA, though, so its of limited use to the original poster unfortunately.

[Cubwynn]

They changed it so that all classes level at the rate a monk/cleric/shaman would level. They left in the 10% bonus for warriors and 9.95% bonus for rogues.

Other than that, halflings get a 5% bonus, barbarians have a 5% penalty, ogres have a 15% penalty, and trolls/iksar have a 20% penalty.

[Cubwynn]

... none of which answers the question about AA experience, unfortunately.

Sorry :-p

[Humlaor]

I believe I can answer this. As I understand it, an AA is supposed to be the same as going from 51 to 52. With my barbarian shaman (5% penalty) I directed 50% of my exp to AA from the moment I dinged 51. I had my first AA when I was 95% into the level. It appears (and this agrees with what I've read on the shaman boards) that the racial penalty only applies to regular exp, not to AA exp.

Boomlaor