LDoN and lists...

[Balkin]

So, since LDoN went live, how many people have felt the need to start a list of people you'll never group with again? I mean Monumentally bad players, or greedy people etc...

I added a fourth name to my no group list last night. This time for greed and lack of common courtesy to group mates. Two of the others played their charcters so badly that I was in shock, and the last abandoned a group in a dungeon when he (and only he) decided we weren't going to win it. Seriously, he just flat out left. And he was the one who organized the group!

Prior to LDoN, I'd grouped with some people who obviously didn't know what they were doing, but they weren't BAD bad, know what I mean? However, since I started doing timed dungeon crawls, it seems to have gotten much worse!

I think it's because you're forcing people into a small area. Outdoors, there's lots of room to maneouver, but indoors, it's tight, and your tactics have to be much more sound. Mistakes are much more glaringly obvious in a dungeon crawl.

Anyway, I was discussing this with a couple friends who also play today, and thought I'd ask you all about it.

[Wandazula]

So, since LDoN went live, how many people have felt the need to start a list of people you'll never group with again? I mean Monumentally bad players, or greedy people etc...

yes. unfortunately some are hard to avoid!

[Rewde]

I have to admit, I did start one about 2 weeks ago. Though, at the moment, there is only 1 person on it. At one point in time, the cleric in our group sent me a tell, being the group leader, saying that she should let her die at least once. The person in question was playing a beastlord, and very, very poorly. We had a pally that was doing a very fine job of doing the pulling, and she just decided that she was going to do the pulling, without asking. She would run off, pull something, bring it back, let the pet tank it, along with the pally, and she would sit down during the fight. Also, when told which way we were going, she would go the opposite direction. It was a very frustrating crawl.

[Dunthor Warsmith]

Heh, reading this has made me think of similar things I had read about for other zones (primarily LoIO, OT, DL and Seb, since I'm too young for most of the SolB/LGuk times) during their hayday - blacklists of problematic players. Since there was a sizable core of people who were repeatably in these zones at similar times, reputation became decently significant for getting a group - even if the people interested in the "bad rep" LFG person had never heard of them before, after their ooc/shout looking for a group the other people would usually chime in denouncing them.

This whole phenomenon seemed to die down a bit with Luclin and PoP eras. The hayday of pickup groups seemed to have passed a bit, and more and more people moved to either soloing significantly, grouping within their guild, or grouping with a somewhat standardized set of people. Pickup groups didn't die, naturally, but lost their frontrunner position.

LDoN, being a entirely group-oriented experience, has tilted the balance a bit back toward the pickup groups. People that moved to soloing, that now want to experience the expansion need to get groups - and those are mostly going to be pickup groups. Coupled with the significance of having a full group (whereas before having less than 6 people wasn't nearly as big of an issue), having more people are out there lfg and adding more groups looking for at least one or two people to add in to complete their setup sets the stage for pickup groups to be making a bit of a comeback.

So with the Pickup Group Era returning a tad, its policies and traditions begin to return as well

(ya, okay, semi-random semi-tangental ...blah)

[Sanna]

Unfortunately, my guild is bantering around with the idea of making a guildwide list that would sit on the webpage (presumbably where only members would be able to access it) of both People TO Group With and People NOT TO Group With.

The idea is... harsh, but I'm beginning to believe it's necessary. Especially on Sullon... you get 2 types of people per team: The Good Players, and the Asininely Stupid Ones. And all three teams have their share of both. You can't be a mediocre player... Either you excell (and generally at PVP, which requires you to be at the top of your game and the front of your brain) or else, frankly, you just suck. In which case I honestly don't know how these people have gotten past level 20.

Right after LDON came out, there was a huge but only verbal list of 'do not group with so and so'... And finally the list got so huge it started to break down. I haven't heard of them making another soon, and from a compassion, give-everyone-a-chance-or-three point, I almost hope they don't.

Then again... wiping at LDON sucks. Having your body pop at an easily campable spot on Sullon sucks even more. Maybe for us it's more of a necessity than it even initially appears....



I hate to be mean to people. I really do. But once in a while, every once in a while, someone comes along that just makes you go, "How has this person even survived this long??"


Maybe such lists really are necessary.

/shrug

-- Sanna
omgosh, did I even properly make my point? Gah... running away before I make further idiots of myself....

[Davina]

I've kept a mental list since LDoN came out. The players on it are so bad that there's no way I could forget.