KyrosKrane - Aviak eggs thread

[Tudani]

The EQTC Database contains two items, both named Aviak Eggs. However, Lucy only includes a single item with both "aviak" and "eggs" in the name:

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=14968

In fact, Lucy only includes one other item with both "Aviak" and "Egg" in the name, and that is Aviak Egg Oil.

http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=1279
This item is linked to all known Aviak Eggs recipes. The stats also match Lucy, although the item does not have actual item lore in Lucy.

http://www.eqtraders.com/items/show_item.php?item=7481
This item is only linked to a Clump of Dough recipe. The stats do not match Lucy. The item lore and notes indicate that it is looted off mobs.

There is little information on Alla's regarding Aviak Eggs. The item text does say "This item is found on creatures.", but no creatures are listed. The user comments below all indicate that it was foraged, not looted.

Given that Lucy only lists a single form of Eggs, I'm inclined to believe that if Aviak Eggs can be looted, they will be the same as the foraged variety. I would suggest deleting the "looted" entry in the EQTC database and adding a note to the other that it might be looted off so-and-so mobs. Also, the item lore needs to be cleared and moved to notes, as the item does not actually have any lore.

The only relevant information I could find via a quick search was the following:

Aviak eggs : Foraged will yield less dough than dropped. Kill or check merchants in and around Butcherblock and South Karanas along with Lake Rathe. Good for the sub combines. Do not waste on the skill ups.

From this thread. IIRC the old discussions when eggs started having different yields on clump of dough were on the old EZ boards (including two types of aviak eggs with two different yields). If you would like to either a) find the relevant discussion from back then for me so I can look at it and compare, or b) go kill aviaks to get an egg and confirm that it stacks with the foraged variety or c) go kill aviaks for long enough to be fairly sure that they don't drop eggs I can then feel fairly confident in updating the database.

There is more discussion on our boards in your thread here including someone saying that they had one drop not too terribly long ago for them.

[Tudani]

Split this out of the omissions/inconsistancies thread so that you could continue to look at it if you want to KyrosKrane. If you don't want to let me know and I'll get rid of it.

[Shrabok]

Went and killed Aviaks in South karana for an hour and got no eggs
looking in the new UI i only see recipes for 2 Clump of dough recipes using Aviak eggs not 3 as opposed to the rest (every dough version has a recipe needing a quest flour)

[KyrosKrane]

This is a rather irritating issue as the only way to resolve it is to actually loot an aviak egg, upload the info to Lucy or Magelo, and see if it generates a new item.

We cannot prove that aviaks do not drop eggs -- it's always possible, however improbable, that every single person who's killed an aviak had bad luck and did not get an egg. If eggs are not on the aviak drop tables, we cannot confirm it as players unless one is actually looted. Likewise, the one post claiming to have looted an aviak egg clearly said it wasn't from an aviak, although the person didn't remember what it dropped from.

If someone can confirm looting an egg from an aviak, then we have something to work with. Likewise, if a second item named "Aviak eggs" or similar appears in Lucy or Magelo, we may be able to test, deduce, or otherwise figure out where it came from.

The above section is logic; the following is my own personal feelings.

My personal guess is that there is only one form of egg. I find it highly improbable that no one has yet confirmed actually looting an egg from an aviak, let alone that a looted aviak egg is different from a foraged aviak egg. As someone posted in a linked thread, it's possible that there were indeed two items that got collapsed into one.

If I may ask, what is the source of the info for having two types of aviak eggs in the database? If it's simply that it was stored this way in the old flat-file site, the info may simply be out of date.

Though to be honest, this is something of a tempest in a teacup. The world (and Norrath!) won't end just because there are one or two types of aviak eggs.

[Tudani]

The original info is from the old discussion on the clumps of dough when they started all yielding different amounts of dough. This is located on the old ezboard (if it didn't get run off the end of the page). It's possible there's was some confusion on yields and that's how the two items got in. That's why I'd suggest to you to search for that old discussion as a first step in figuring out what's going on with this.

[lonewylfe]

I couldn't find the old ezboard thread, but I did find this one: http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/showthread.php?t=9470

[Tudani]

Does anybody other than me recall the old discussions we had about yields when the change happened, maybe someone who remembers some of the details?

[lonewylfe]

I remember it, which is why I went looking for it, but couldn't find it cached anywhere on the web.
I don't remember details though

[Tudani]

I think the old ezboard still exists, though everything is locked I believe. Did you try looking there? I have the link somewhere if you need it I think.

[Verdandi]

I believe that the dropped aviak eggs only came from some aviaks. I think I remember them coming from the aviak chicks in Butcherblock, like in the area outside Kaladim. For the record, Magelo also has only one "Aviak Eggs", and no other items that fit the bill.

[lonewylfe]

Yeah, tried the old ezboard once I found it, didn't find anything under Baking or General about the eggs (other than someone mentioning they could be foraged, or used in a recipe)

[Verdandi]

After a good bit of checking around, it appears that the dropped versions no longer exist. I've edited the item accordingly but left it in the database for now, in case we're wrong, and so there's a record of the question.