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**tubdar** · 03-15-2006, 01:20 PM

Elixir of Contration

Quiote:
Elixir of Concentration - Distillate of Clarity II
Elixir of Greater Concentration - Distillate of Clarity III

This is not the case. The Elixir of Concentrations stacked with the old Elixir of Clarity line. The Elixir of Clarity line is now the Distillate of Clarity line. As far as we know there is no replacement for the Elixir of Concentration and Elixir of Greater Concentration. I wish there was. These 2 potions are greatly missed for those of us that got use to using them stacked with KEI or Elixir of Clarity potions.

**Gaell Stormracer** · 03-15-2006, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by tubdar

Quiote:
Elixir of Concentration - Distillate of Clarity II
Elixir of Greater Concentration - Distillate of Clarity III

This is not the case. The Elixir of Concentrations stacked with the old Elixir of Clarity line. The Elixir of Clarity line is now the Distillate of Clarity line. As far as we know there is no replacement for the Elixir of Concentration and Elixir of Greater Concentration. I wish there was. These 2 potions are greatly missed for those of us that got use to using them stacked with KEI or Elixir of Clarity potions.

You may have misunderstood -- this is the list of conversions that's being applied by their conversion tool to existing potions.

Ngreth has stated that they'll be looking at the Elixir of Concentration line with a view to returning them in some form, but that it was not a high priority task.

**drukor** · 03-15-2006, 01:55 PM

Hmmm...not a high priority eh....Well for healer classes it is very useful....Maybe they should think of making it a priority

**zarzac** · 03-15-2006, 02:37 PM

Please don't change these old potions that stack with chanter buffs. Let us keep the old potions if we have them. Just make them extinct and let them phase out. The cost involved in creating these old potions (was 200pp+ I think) vs a 3pp vendor bought potion is ridiculous and unfair. Just allow them to go unchanged and they will all be gone soon enough.

**DamionKB** · 03-23-2006, 02:51 AM

Potion of Calimony is NOT equal to Distillate of regeneration

As the title said, Potion of Calimony is not equivalent to Distilate of Regeneration. In fact, the primary reason to make the potion was taken out during the conversion.

Lets for a moment forget the stacking issues with it, doesnt stack with tribute regen or cleric AA heals. But thats not the primary reason.

The self slow was taken off. Which is the primary reason, at least among people I know, to use the potion in conjunction with Earthshaker.

Im very disappointed to say the least about this change, and had I known that the recipe would disappear I would have stockpiled in advance.

**Gaell Stormracer** · 03-24-2006, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by DamionKB

Im very disappointed to say the least about this change, and had I known that the recipe would disappear I would have stockpiled in advance.

That would have been missing the point of the 'Conversion List' -- this is what their tool uses to change what potions you currently have to the new versions, so you may well have ended up with a huge stock of worthless (for your purpose) potions anyway.

Having said that, is there any reason why the old potions MUST be changed in the inventories? Would it not be simpler to just let them get used up and disappear from the game "naturally"?

**Ngreth Thergn** · 03-24-2006, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Gaell Stormracer

That would have been missing the point of the 'Conversion List' -- this is what their tool uses to change what potions you currently have to the new versions, so you may well have ended up with a huge stock of worthless (for your purpose) potions anyway.

Having said that, is there any reason why the old potions MUST be changed in the inventories? Would it not be simpler to just let them get used up and disappear from the game "naturally"?

Well... one reason was.

We need the item numbers back.

If we can make sure none of the old items are in game anymore, we can claim the item numbers and re-use them for something else.

With that in mind though, I might go through this list and par some out of it and leave some of the old ones "hanging" until we possibly ad a replacement for them.

**Ngreth Thergn** · 03-24-2006, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by DamionKB

The self slow was taken off. Which is the primary reason, at least among people I know, to use the potion in conjunction with Earthshaker.

Can you explain this in some detail please? Why do players WANT to be slowed?

The DOT I get... the slow I do not.

**Rhumba** · 03-24-2006, 10:13 AM

My understanding is that many procs happen more frequently on a slowed mob. It it possible that earthshaker proc'd more if you were slowed? That seems contrary to my understanding, but maybe.

**DamionKB** · 03-24-2006, 10:41 AM

Hey there Ngreth,

Thank you for taking your time to personally answer my question.

The reason that people wanted the slow stems from the weapon functionality and proc rate. The procs are based on swings pr. minute of the weapon, so if you get a slower hit rate you will get more procs.

Used in conjunction with the http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=5667 and the AA rampage, which hits every mob in a short radius.

Another advantage of the potion was that it was listed as a benificial effect, so you could click it off when you no longer needed to be slowed.

In effect it was used as the melee version of an AE group, but very high risk. So it was basically used by me and others as a means to farm tradeskill components by being able to clear through alot of greenies fast, once every 30mins.

If there is ANY way at all that it could be brought back, I and my fellow companions would be eternally gratefull.

**KyrosKrane** · 03-24-2006, 11:10 AM

Short version. Procs on a weapon are a set rate per unit time. For example, this weapon will proc, on average, 5 times per minute, while that one will proc ten times per minute. The game calculates, based on your haste, how many swings you will make with that weapon per minute, then combine that with the item's proc rate to produce the chance that you will proc on any given swing.

If you are slowed, your number of swings per minute goes way down. Combine that with a high proc rate weapon, and you have an essentially guaranteed proc for every swing of that weapon.

Earthshaker is a special case. A group of warriors who each have Earthshaker can use this trick to generate massive, massive damage. Each warrior is slowed, then someone goes out to pull mobs -- the more, the better. When the mobs come back to camp, all the warriors hit their auto-riposte disc and swing at a mob. Because of the slow, their weapon is guaranteed to proc. Because it's an AE, it hits all the other warriors around, in addition to the mobs. This causes the other warriors to riposte, in turn proccing their own weapons, which generates a massive chain reaction that grows exponentially. I've seen screenshots where the entire Field 2 in PoFire, including a named, was killed almost instantly by a group of five or six warriors doing this trick. They got an insane amount of AA before they died.

**KyrosKrane** · 03-24-2006, 11:31 AM

Bleh, I got the warrior trick wrong a little, from the details. The general principle is right, but it's not the riposte disc, it's the auto-proc disc (rampage) with a huge number of mobs.

http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...?t=3957&page=1

**Sumador** · 03-24-2006, 03:10 PM

Yes, I am still looking for a replacement of the Calimony potion and as DamionKB mentions, the slow is the part of the potion which I am very interested on.

I use it for the same reason Damion mention and I will love to see the potion (or something similar) put back in the game.

**Ngreth Thergn** · 03-25-2006, 10:19 AM

*if* I do bring it back, it will change to a debuf so that it CANNOT be removed prematurely.

If it is still desired with this change, I would consider it.

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