Melee Research

[Shadrok]

Same issues:
- My guildmaster trained my level 52 mnk and 52 warrior to 52 research.
- My monk cannot use the Spell Research Kit, "Your class cannot do tradeskills in ths container".

Research wasn't listed as a skill until I spoke with my guildmaster.
It is currently 52/300 (No AAs required).

[Shadrok]

Tested with my monk. Made 5 vials of pure water and 1 research skill.

[smithee125]

Is there one? If not, wonder if it's on the radar screen. I'm a tradeskill junky, my warrior is at 2100....not afraid of pushing on to 300 in melee research, but don't wanna go full bore if I can evolve a trophy at the same time.

[Stewwy]

You make Melee Tome's in the - TOME BINDING KIT - bought off the research vendor - not the same vendor that sells the Spell Research Kit

[Taadieri]

I am pretty sure Ngreth said there is no melee research tomes at this time and may not be in future.

It would require a whole new quest and from a lore point of view, nobody else is really as good at research as int casters.

[Shadrok]

Guildmaster training > your level
Crescent Reach newbie research > 54
Oil of Vitrol > 102 (I stocked Sulfur and Saltpeter in preparation)
Fine Runic Papyrus Solution > 120
Parchment Solution > 144
Fine Parchment Solution > 174
Vellum Parchment Solution > 203
Fine Vellum Parchment Solution > 216
Runic Parchment Solution (or better) > 243

[Shadrok]

You can get the trophy quest. I did the quest with my bard, but the resulting trophy is only Int-caster usable, and thus useless. The melee should be able to do the beginner quest (Inks, quills, water, and cleanser), but why bother?

I'm sure that the higher level quests will not be doable, as they'll require things the melee cannot make.

[maxpower]

celestial cleanser
parchment/paper
solution
tome cover supplies

combine these to create manuals. then use the manuals like the cleaned parchments.

i did the solutions to 243. same combines as the spell research.

[Keros]

I went to my guildmaster to see about training Research, and the first point gave me 75 skill (I'm level 75). So guess we can skip doing the skillup quest in TSS anyway.

[eepok]

That's odd... "tome: battle cry of the mastruq" is one of the researched zerk tomes, but is only 40pp or so to buy directly from a vendor.

[Shadrok]

In another thread, Ngreth announced that:
1. He will make the Geerlok usable by all.
2. He has already made the trophy usable by all, but he did so after the expansion went live, so it won't take affect until another patch.
3. Only the lowest level trophy quest is currently in reach of all classes (no mention of if/when he would change the other quests), so get the quest with a skill of 50-99. My warrior is already 165, so <pout>.

[magicdragon]

In another thread, Ngreth announced that:
1. He will make the Geerlok usable by all.
2. He has already made the trophy usable by all, but he did so after the expansion went live, so it won't take affect until another patch.
3. Only the lowest level trophy quest is currently in reach of all classes (no mention of if/when he would change the other quests), so get the quest with a skill of 50-99. My warrior is already 165, so <pout>.

I don't recall any spells being required for the higher level trophies only the swatches used for making robes. If I am correct I'm sure it is just a matter of time before Ngreth marks the tome building kit as a combine container for the swatches making it possible for everyone with 100+ research to do the trophy quest. If I'm mistaken about no spells, then it may be a bit longer for Ngreth to come up with an equally challenging alternative and get the quest changed. I do belive Ngreth, in time, will do what needs to be done so everyone can do the quest.

[Shadrok]

Made it at skill 237, trivial 331.
Recipe posted to other forum; repeated here for your viewing pleasure. I think I'll wait for the Geerlok to be usable and get my last 6 solution skill points before I try more. Now to see how this puppy sells (I spent a ton of money training my warrior).
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Quill of the Overlord
Ink of Innoruuk (x2)
Ink Additive of the Nameless
Impairing Thickener
Runic Parchment Manual
in a Tome Binding Kit (and probably Hybrid Research Kit, Song Writing Kit)

Trivial: 331

[Saleani]

The hybrid research kit is sold by Nursa Rasumus in PoK. Also sells Prayer Writing Kit and Bard song kits as well as the tome kit.

[Shadrok]

Level 55 tomes - 170-172 trivial
56 tomes - 258
61 tomes - 298
65 tomes - 331

With a skill of 243 after solutions, the skill up path gets very slow, or even more expensive.

[Roanne]

Oh, good. Another container to store in my bank.

[Summer]

On a related note- has anyone determined (or been stated somewhere i overlooked) whether or not it is required to have the SOD expansion to enable research on the melee and other non-int classes?

My bf and I have 3 accounts and we currently only upgraded 2 of them, but had a warr on the third I was thinking of skilling for tome research. No sense fiddling with it if its not going to work, so wondered if I could get an answer beforehand.

(Tried server gen & class chat, its amazing how little useful info you can get from there anymore.On any server.)

[oldedawg]

I dont have SOD yet and my warrior has a 54 skill and his trophy

I also tried to make the Scrolls that anyone can use... but would not combine... had my necro make the base parchment

[challenger]

anyone figured out any recipes for the skylance tomes seeing as almost all the spells for the skylance auras r figured out now?

[DragantheMonk]

Answered my own question. Disregard.

[TailSpinner]

- My monk cannot use the Spell Research Kit, "Your class cannot do tradeskills in ths container".

You guys do realize you can look up recipes on this site, right? If you look up a monk tome, say Fists of Wu, for example, you will see that the only container you can use is the Tome Binding Kit.


I hope this helps as I need more melee researchers out there so the price on my tomes will go down.

[Shadrok]

Tailspinner,

if you check the date of my post, you will see that it was immediately afetr SoD came out. Recipes for tomes had not been discovered yet. I was on the leading edge of melee research (quickly surpassed by more dedicated or richer researchers). I found the melee research vendor a couple of days later.

[Silvermink]

On a related note- has anyone determined (or been stated somewhere i overlooked) whether or not it is required to have the SOD expansion to enable research on the melee and other non-int classes?

My bf and I have 3 accounts and we currently only upgraded 2 of them, but had a warr on the third I was thinking of skilling for tome research. No sense fiddling with it if its not going to work, so wondered if I could get an answer beforehand.

(Tried server gen & class chat, its amazing how little useful info you can get from there anymore.On any server.)

I believe you need SoD to buy the research AAs. They are greyed out on my Ranger even though she had the 4 aas required to buy it.

[Shadrok]

Tralz just had a talk with Bellfast about scraps of paper. Bellfast then gave him a task, "More Parts for Bellfast". However. it wasn't the collect-10-different-scraps (non-research) version, but the make-3-tattered-mechanoinstruction (research) version.

"Cool". thought Tralz. "Shadrok told me how hard it is to find the final 10th scrap in loot." Tralz knew that, since the researcher version only requires creation and not looting, he could get a set of 10 from his old friend, Stur. and then ask some finger-waggler to point out which scraps to combine together.

"This one, that one, and this one", Pages told Tralz, "will together spell out Mechanotablet, which makes the first tattered mechanoinstruction you need."

Happily, Tralz took the three scraps and inserted them into the Spell Research Kit that bellfast had ordered him to buy from Merchant Model CGXIV. Your class cannot do tradeskills in this container.

"Well, of course not", thought Tralz. "I wondered why he dinnae have me get a Tome Binding Kit." With that in mind, Tralz transferred the 3 scraps to his tomemaking kit, and hit the combine button. "Voila!" .... "No!" ... You cannot combine these items in this container type.

"Bah!" exclaimed the disgruntled Iksar warrior. "Pages. please check this scraps out again ... maybe I got them mixed up."

"M . . h . n o t a . L . t, . . c . a . . . . b . . ., and . e . . . . . . . . . e .", read Pages. "No, those are the right ones.

With a big sigh, Trlaz set off to make an offering to the god of tradeskills. "Oh, Great Ngreth, please find it in your heart to make these items combine in a Tome Binding Kit. or instruct Bellfast to give me the non-research version." After consideration, Tralz added, "If the former, please allow the Song Writing Kit, Prayer Writing Kit, and Hybrid Research kit to also be used."

Pages noted that Tralz was more likely to get his prayer answered if we do some of the work required to fix the problem. "You should tell Ngreth that the quest is outlined at ..."
http://www.eqtraders.com/articles/ar...r=120025000000

"Furthermore, the combines required are:"
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Tattered Mechanoinstructions, "Mechanotablet":
Mechanoinstruction Scraps 32732 M . . h . n o t a . l . t
mechanoinstruction Scraps 32733 . . c . a . . . . b . . .
Mechanoinstruction Scraps 32731 . e . . . . . . . . . e .

Tattered Mechanoinstructions, "configuration":
Mechanoinstruction Scraps 32735 c o . . . g . . . . . . n
Mechanoinstruction Scraps 32736 . . n . . . . . a . . . .
Mechanoinstruction Scraps 32734 . . f i . . . . . i o .
Mechanoinstruction Scraps 32737 . . . . . . u r . t . . .

Tattered Mechanoinstructions, "advisory book":
Mechanoinstruction Scraps 32738 a . v . s . . . . . . o .
Mechanoinstruction Scraps 32739 . d . i . o r . . b . . k
Mechanoinstruction Scraps 32740 . . . . . . y . o . .

Pages then showed Tralz how to send his request to Ngreth through proper channels using "/bug"

[Jidokwon]

Appreciate people spearheading the melee reasearching here. I've been taking tradeskillling more seriously with my monk. It was a couple months back, but I wasn't able to do any of the CR "freebies" with the Tome Binding Kit. I don't like wasting GM points, so I didn't kill any there. I took the oil/solution path to 243. I had salvaged capped, but didn't see any research aa I could take as a monk. Do I need to eat GM points to get those or something? I do hope this gets looked into a bit. The melee research path was more costly the the older jewelcrafting ones (think I went through about 400k to take research to 243 and I'm sure having salvage capped brought it down). Considering the cost, I'm not able to trivial a 56th level tome yet, while int casters of comparible level (with much better paths handed to them - binding powder) can make 61st spells with trivial combines, not to mention trophies and research AA. I'll be the first to agree that a vendor skillup path should cost more than a drop path, but try comparing the 400k melee research path to the poison, alchemy, fletching, and other tradeskills that you can skillup with vendors and the usefullness of the items they can make with 200ish skills - You can't. As much as I'm enjoying tradeskilling, this is one I parked until I see some serious improvements for.