Just a thought on the new SoW Potions...

[sirwmholder]

I see we now have 5 SoW Potions and 2 Group SoW Potions. W00T! I really like the idea of group potions... but my question is what is the difference in the single Philter of Wolf Potions other than the name and trivial? Is it possible to maybe increase the duration of the higher ones? Or maybe slightly tweak the run speed? If not is there any benefit of using the higher level potions other than skilling up? I love the new system and just curious to know

Thank you for your time,
Warsol Spiritwind ~ Prexus

[thyrm]

Spirit of Wolf: Increase Movement by 34% (L9) to 55% (L50)

While they all have effect Spirit of Wolf, the speed will increase because the potions "level" is higher.

Each tier of the potion has a higher 'effective caster level', which means that each tier has a bigger run speed bonus than the previous tier.

This was posted on The Spirit Realm

[sirwmholder]

Sweet! Thank you for that... so what is the effective caster level of each tier? I'm not trying to be difficult, I just couldn't find it on the Spirit Realm... I will be playing around with it more though. It looks like a wonderful site.

Warsol Spiritwind ~ Prexus

[Mukkul]

I: cost 0.6pp, trivial 75, casting level 10, run speed 35%, base duration 30 min
II: cost 1.8pp, trivial 100, casting level 20, run speed 40%, base duration 36 min
III: cost 2.6pp, trivial 135, casting level 30, run speed 45%, base duration 36 min
IV: cost 4.5pp, trivial 170, casting level 45, run speed 52%, base duration 36 min
V: cost 6.8pp, trivial 210, casting level 60, run speed 55%, base duration 36 min

I dug the casting level out of Lucy's raw data and also tested it running. I really wish they would show this information in game.

Note that SoW's run speed is capped at casting level 50, just like the player casted spell. (Ngreth -- I think the casting levels should be changed to 10/20/30/40/50 to put IV in line.)

[bdraft]

I don't know about you or SoE, but the old Blood of the the wolf potions (the old "SoW") scaled very nicely for me as it was.
My level 10s could toss back a potion and be about as fast as a level 9 shammy or a 14 druid was, my higher levels could toss back a potion and be as fast as a 55 to 65 level shammy or druid.

If they wanted to jerk with sow and the potions, they should have increasted the legnth of time they stay active. I'd like to see the orignal shammy sow scale from the 15 or so minutes it lasted when my shammy was level 9 to say 60 minutes at his present level 53.

Ahwell, we're not SoE so we have no control over our lives....


thank you for your time;
bdraft

[Bobaten]

The idea is that now your level 10's can toss back a Philter of the Wolf V potion and run at the full 55%. This new potion caster level replaces your character caster level.

[Maddoc-the-Wayfarer]

The old SoW potions did scale fairly nicely, I agree, however... In the course of designing what we wanted to do for the alchemy revamp, one of the goals that we came up with was to create a system where you paid a reasonable amount for an appropriate effect.

The idea behind that goal was to give lower level players more access to benefits via potions without having to spend their entire savings to use them and keep them active relatively frequently.

Old Potion - In the old system, a level 10 player would be paying full price for a lesser effect. In the old system, a level 10 player would not be able to obtain a SoW with a higher run speed increase via a potion.

• Level 10
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 35 Percent
• Level 20
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 40 Percent
• Level 30
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 45 Percent
• Level 45
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 52 Percent
• Level 60
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 55 Percent

New Potion - In the new system, a level 10 player will be paying a lot less for the same effect as he would have gotten previously. In the new system, a level 10 player will be able to obtain a SoW with a higher run speed increase via a potion if they want to pay more money.

• Level 10
  • Cost: .6 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 35 Percent
• Level 20
  • Cost: 1.8 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 40 Percent
• Level 30
  • Cost: 2.6 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 45 Percent
• Level 45
  • Cost: 4.5 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 52 Percent
• Level 60
  • Cost: 6.8 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 55 Percent

BDraft, as you can see, all the tiering system really does is relieve some pressure on the lower level player's bank account by giving them access to the same effect they used to have, and for a lot less money. As a level 10, you can drink a Philter of the Wolf I for .6 plat and be as fast as you used to be for 5.2 plat. As a level 10, you can drink a Philter of the Wolf V for 6.8 plat and be much faster than you used to be for 5.2 plat. As a level 70, you can drink a Philter of the Wolf V for 6.8 plat and be as fast as you used to be for 5.2 plat.

Honestly, I could see if you were complaining about the cost hike for a Philter of the Wolf V, or even if you didn't like the fact that there's now some confusion about which SoW potions does what, but I'm a little boggled at how you can complain about the potions being tiered. All they do is benefit the you (the players) across the board, by giving you cheaper, lower returns on the effects, and allowing you to choose what level of effect you want to use. It really seems like a great amount of flexibility to me.

[Greeznok]

I understand the "caster level" tiering after the explanations given on the forums, but will there be explanations added to the in-game descriptions so the customers will understand what htey are getting?

[Xoris]

Maddoc, thank you. I had been a little lost about the new Philter of the Wolf, but you cleared it up. I think it's a great idea. Thanks for both the information, and the new potions. I think they're fun.

[sirwmholder]

The old SoW potions did scale fairly nicely, I agree, however... In the course of designing what we wanted to do for the alchemy revamp, one of the goals that we came up with was to create a system where you paid a reasonable amount for an appropriate effect.

The idea behind that goal was to give lower level players more access to benefits via potions without having to spend their entire savings to use them and keep them active relatively frequently.

Old Potion - In the old system, a level 10 player would be paying full price for a lesser effect. In the old system, a level 10 player would not be able to obtain a SoW with a higher run speed increase via a potion.

• Level 10
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 35 Percent
• Level 20
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 40 Percent
• Level 30
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 45 Percent
• Level 40
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 50 Percent
• Level 45
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 52 Percent
• Level 50
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 55 Percent
• Level 60
  • Cost: 5.2 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 55 Percent

... Since SoW caps at 50 what is the point of using level 60? Perhaps if you increase SoW to continue to scale to 60 it would be worth while... Also why is it a 3x price increase for a 35-40% SoW?... A more balanced New System should look something like this...

• Level 10
  • Cost: 1.04 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 35 Percent
• Level 20
  • Cost: 2.08 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 40 Percent
• Level 30
  • Cost: 3.12 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 45 Percent
• Level 40
  • Cost: 4.16 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 50 Percent
• Level 50
  • Cost: 5.20 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 55 Percent
• Level 60
  • Cost: 6.24 Platinum
  • Speed Increase: 60 Percent

Using this method you could even have the new Philter of Wolf VI require all the components be gathered via dropped... thus making the price nil... or just reference in the case it is sold to a merchant. Anyway just a suggestion...

Warsol ~ Prexus

PS ~ I really appreciate all the work that went into this new system. I am just curious about these things... I really don't intend to sound snippy

[wildtim]

i just want to know how do u make the new potions ?? i have not been able to find this info out anywere and would love to start making them to lvl up

[Huffles]

As a level 70, you can drink a Philter of the Wolf V for 6.8 plat and be as fast as you used to be for 5.2 plat.

by giving you cheaper, lower returns on the effects

Hmmmm Old price 5.2 plat >>>new price 6.8 plat. Run Speed the same.... Cheaper Lower prices.... I guess if your level 70 no big deal. Just not quite in line with the idea.

Not a complaint just noticed the contradiction and felt like highlighting it.

Huffle