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  • Determining Tradeskill Difficulty - raw data

    Based on information discussed in this topic, I was able to derive the following formula:

    Y = [#att * 21 * ST ] / [ 800,000 * ln { ( 200 - SK1) / (200-SK2) } ]

    For more details regarding restrictions on its valid ranges for skills, success rate and statistics, as well as discussions about the formula, consult the linked topic.

    This topic is purely intended to collect raw data from various Tradeskills, to establish a value for the tradeskill difficulty Y of that particular Tradeskill.

    FINDINGS UP TO NOW (based on the below data)

    Blacksmithing: Y = 2
    Jewelry Making: Y = 2 or 3 (See Note 1 below)
    Baking: Y = 3 (See Note 2 below)
    Brewing: Y = 2 or 3 (See Note 3 below)
    Fletching: Y = 4

    FINDINGS UP TO NOW (based on data from other topics - with link)

    Fletching: Y = 4 (Source: How to calculate the tradeskill difficulty)

    Note 1: More data is needed. This trial run was very expensive though (as success rate was only around 5%), so I don't feel like repeating this often .
    Note 2: My data has a very bad run from attempt #160-ish to #320-ish; that portion alone would yield a Y = 6, so I have rounded the overal value for Y (would be 3.65) down to 3. Excluding that portion would yield an overall value of Y = 3.03.
    Note 3: My current data is not conclusive. Overall, I find an Y-value of 2.5 over 320 combines. The first portion yields a Y-value of 2, whereas the second portion yields a Y-value of 3. More data is needed.
    Last edited by Kaysha Soulsinger; 05-01-2004, 10:29 AM.

    Kaysha Soulsinger
    Member of the 1750 club since October 13th 2004
    True strength is not a measure of the body, it's a measure of the soul

  • #2
    Blacksmithing

    BLACKSMITHING

    I logged onto my Human Rogue Alt, level 16, who started off with 0 Blacksmithing. After having prepped the necessary components with my Cleric, I had enough for 160 combines.

    My Rogue had the following stats: 129 STR, 88 STA, 102 AGI, 99 DEX, 75 WIS, 78 INT, 75 CHA. He had no Geerlock or other +% item equipped. Below is the result of making 160 Embroidering Needle attempts (trivial 122):

    [Wed Apr 28 19:00:43 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:00:49 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:00:55 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:01:01 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:01:08 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:01:21 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:01:29 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:01:35 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:01:35 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (1)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:10 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:10 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (2)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:16 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:16 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (3)

    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:22 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:29 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:35 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:40 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:40 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (4)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:46 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:53 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:02:53 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (5)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:08 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:08 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (6)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:14 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:19 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:19 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (7)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:26 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:26 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (8)

    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:32 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (9)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:32 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:32 2004] You have learned the recipe Embroidering Needle!
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:52 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:55 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:03:57 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:04:00 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:04:03 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:04:05 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:04:08 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:04:10 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:04:10 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (10)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:04:13 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:04:13 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (11)

    [Wed Apr 28 19:04:16 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:04:19 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:05:43 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (12)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:05:43 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
    [Wed Apr 28 19:05:52 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:05:52 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (13)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:05:55 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:05:57 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:03 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:03 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (14)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:06 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:08 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:11 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:13 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:16 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:19 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:19 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (15)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:21 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:21 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (16)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:24 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:26 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:26 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (17)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:29 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:29 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (18)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:31 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:31 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (19)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:34 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:34 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (20)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:37 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:39 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:41 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:44 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:44 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (21)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:46 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:49 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:51 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:53 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:56 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:06:59 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:07:01 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

    [Wed Apr 28 19:07:04 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:07:07 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:07:07 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (22)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:07:09 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:07:11 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (23)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:07:11 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
    [Wed Apr 28 19:07:16 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:02 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:02 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (24)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:05 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:07 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:10 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:12 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:12 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (25)

    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:15 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:17 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:17 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (26)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:20 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:22 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:25 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:27 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:29 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:32 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:32 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (27)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:34 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:37 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:39 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:39 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (28)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:42 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:44 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:47 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:49 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:52 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:55 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:09:57 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:00 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:02 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:05 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:05 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (29)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:07 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:09 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:12 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:12 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (30)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:15 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:15 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (31)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:17 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:17 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (32)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:20 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:20 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (33)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:22 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:22 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (34)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:25 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:27 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (35)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:27 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!

    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:31 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:31 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (36)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:34 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:37 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:40 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:40 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (37)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:42 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:42 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (38)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:10:45 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:26 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:29 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (39)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:29 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:36 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:38 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:41 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:41 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (40)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:43 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:43 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (41)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:46 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:49 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:51 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:54 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:56 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:13:59 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:01 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:04 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:06 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:06 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (42)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:09 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:11 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:13 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:16 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:21 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:21 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (43)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:24 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:26 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:28 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:31 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:31 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (44)

    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:34 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:36 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:38 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:41 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:44 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:46 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:46 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (45)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:49 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:51 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:54 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:54 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (46)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:56 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:56 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (47)

    [Wed Apr 28 19:14:58 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:01 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:01 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (48)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:04 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:04 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (49)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:06 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:06 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (50)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:09 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:11 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:13 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:16 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:16 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (51)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:18 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:21 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:21 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (52)

    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:24 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:26 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:15:29 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
    [Wed Apr 28 19:16:45 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:16:45 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (53)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:16:47 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:16:50 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:16:50 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (54)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:16:53 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:16:53 2004] You have become better at Blacksmithing! (55)
    [Wed Apr 28 19:16:55 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:16:58 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
    [Wed Apr 28 19:17:01 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

    Number of skillups on Failures: 50
    Number of skillups on Success: 5

    Number of successes: 7
    Number of failures: 153
    Last edited by Kaysha Soulsinger; 04-30-2004, 06:06 AM. Reason: Added title to post

    Kaysha Soulsinger
    Member of the 1750 club since October 13th 2004
    True strength is not a measure of the body, it's a measure of the soul

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    • #3
      Jewelry Making

      JEWELRY MAKING

      I logged onto my Human Rogue Alt, level 16, who started off with 0 Jewelry Making. I had bought enough for 160 combines.

      My Rogue had the following stats: 129 STR, 84 STA, 98 AGI, 99 DEX, 75 WIS, 78 INT, 125 CHA. He had no Geerlock or other +% item equipped. Below is the result of making 160 Electrum Fire Wedding Rings (trivial 124):

      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:00 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:15 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:17 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:20 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:22 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:25 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:28 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:30 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:33 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:35 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:38 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:42 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:44 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:47 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:49 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:52 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:54 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:57 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:44:59 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:02 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:04 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:07 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:10 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:12 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:14 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:14 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (1)
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:17 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:20 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:20 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (2)
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:22 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:25 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:27 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!

      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:30 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:33 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:35 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:39 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:41 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:44 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:46 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:48 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:51 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:54 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:56 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:45:59 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:01 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:04 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:06 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:09 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:11 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:13 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:16 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:16 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (3)
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:19 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:21 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:24 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:24 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (4)
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:26 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:28 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:31 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:33 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:36 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:38 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:41 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:44 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:46 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:46 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (5)
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:49 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:51 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:54 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:56 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:46:59 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:47:02 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:47:04 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:47:07 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:47:09 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.

      [Thu Apr 29 18:47:12 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:47:14 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:47:17 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:47:17 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (6)
      [Thu Apr 29 18:47:20 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
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      [Thu Apr 29 18:49:49 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (15)
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      [Thu Apr 29 18:50:15 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (17)
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      [Thu Apr 29 18:50:39 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (18)
      [Thu Apr 29 18:50:42 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:50:44 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
      [Thu Apr 29 18:50:44 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (19)
      [Thu Apr 29 18:50:47 2004] You have become better at Jewelry Making! (20)
      [Thu Apr 29 18:50:47 2004] You have fashioned the items together to create something new!
      [Thu Apr 29 18:50:50 2004] You lacked the skills to fashion the items together.
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      Number of skillups on Failures: 18
      Number of skillups on Success: 2

      Number of successes: 12
      Number of failures: 148
      Last edited by Kaysha Soulsinger; 04-30-2004, 06:07 AM. Reason: Added title to post

      Kaysha Soulsinger
      Member of the 1750 club since October 13th 2004
      True strength is not a measure of the body, it's a measure of the soul

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      • #4
        Nice double post :-)

        Do you want me to repost my fletching data here ?
        I have already posted it in the other thread, plus was done with Int 255,so is not a totally valid test (Cant find Y=2)

        Saying all that running the whole run up to 182 through the formular gives
        2.89 or "probably 3"

        However looking at the individual itmes speratly give everything from 0.99 to 3.50

        So make of it what you will.

        Jarak.

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        • #5
          If you want to, sure. I didn't repost your data, as I didn't want to cross you with that - so I leave it up to you.

          It's not a double post, by the way. The first batch is a Blacksmithing run I did, the second one a Jewelry Making run .

          Kaysha Soulsinger
          Member of the 1750 club since October 13th 2004
          True strength is not a measure of the body, it's a measure of the soul

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kaysha Soulsinger
            Y = [#att * 21 * ST ] / [ 800,000 * ln { ( 200 - SK1) / (200-SK2) } ]

            Blacksmithing: Y = 2
            Jewelry Making: Y = 2 or 3
            Excuse me for stating the obvious, but before I start any skillup runs, can I get this straight for a last time?
            Prerequisite for getting data is:
            - Your Stat ST (formerly known as S) should be below 200.
            - Your skill SK2 should not exceed 190.
            - You should never get more than the minimal chance of success:
            Originally posted by Suani
            maximum skill for a given trivial MS= (0.75 * trivial) - 46.5

            Your blacksmithing data:
            Embroidering Needle, Trivial 122: MS = 45
            ST = 129 (str)
            SK1 = 0 ("starting" skill level)
            SK2 = 45 ("target" skill level)
            #att = 138 (you reached skill 45 with the 138th attempt)

            => Y= [138*21*129] / [800000 * ln(200/155)] = 1.833

            Your JC data:
            Electrum Fire Wedding Ring, Trivial 124: MS = 46
            ST = 63 (78 int - 15)
            SK1 = 0
            SK2 = 20
            #att = 156

            => Y=[156*21*63] / [800000 * ln(200/180)] = 2.449

            That's it?

            Cheers,
            Nitpaac (looking for helpless alts to punish with unfair difficult combines)

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            • #7
              Correct for the most part. Besides needing to have SK2 <= 190, you also need SK1 < SK2 (as equality means no skillups, causing ln-term to be 0, which makes Y infinitely large ). Furthermore, I always used the full batch of 160 attempts, using the skill I had after that combine in the formula. The difference in choice only provides statistical noise, for the most part.

              If your chance of success W changes to something higher than 5%, you need to alter the 21 in the formula and add 1 to it for every 5% increase in successrate. Note that this idea of using a factor W is only a way of averaging your skillups due to failures and due to successes. A more thorough analysis would require one to carefully consider skillups due to successes and skillups due to failures.

              Kaysha Soulsinger
              Member of the 1750 club since October 13th 2004
              True strength is not a measure of the body, it's a measure of the soul

              Comment


              • #8
                Baking

                BAKING

                My Rogue had the following stats: 129 STR, 84 STA, 98 AGI, 99 DEX, 75 WIS, 78 INT, 125 CHA. He had no Geerlock or other +% item equipped. Below is the result of making 480 Fish Rolls (trivial 135):

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                Number of skillups on Failures: 35
                Number of skillups on Success: 4

                Number of successes: 21
                Number of failures: 459

                Kaysha Soulsinger
                Member of the 1750 club since October 13th 2004
                True strength is not a measure of the body, it's a measure of the soul

                Comment


                • #9
                  Brewing

                  BREWING

                  My Rogue had the following stats: 129 STR, 84 STA, 98 AGI, 99 DEX, 75 WIS, 78 INT, 125 CHA. He had no Geerlock or other +% item equipped. Below is the result of making 320 Dwarven Dressing (trivial 132):

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                  Number of skillups on Failures: 34
                  Number of skillups on Success: 4

                  Number of successes: 20
                  Number of failures: 300

                  Kaysha Soulsinger
                  Member of the 1750 club since October 13th 2004
                  True strength is not a measure of the body, it's a measure of the soul

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Fletching

                    FLETCHING

                    My Rogue had the following stats: 129 STR, 84 STA, 98 AGI, 99 DEX, 75 WIS, 78 INT, 125 CHA. He had no Geerlock or other +% item equipped. Below is the result of making 480 CLASS 4 Wood Point Arrows (Large Groove) (trivial 122):

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                    Number of skillups on Failures: 40
                    Number of skillups on Success: 5

                    Number of successes: 30
                    Number of failures: 450

                    Kaysha Soulsinger
                    Member of the 1750 club since October 13th 2004
                    True strength is not a measure of the body, it's a measure of the soul

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Need to point something out here that might have skewed your data. For the most part you used approx. 122 trival recipes in all cases but Brewing and Baking. Both with approx. 135 trivial values.

                      Note that the brewing and baking both scored as more difficult skills. I believe this is partly due to you using a recipe 10+ points higher in trival then the others, which scored lower (accept fletching, which had its skill progression altered a few years back to be harder, if I recall correctly).

                      So with this in mind, your results are invalid as a statistical analysis due to the lack of a common control point being used. To achieve a correct correlation from skill to skill, you need to pick recipes equal to or within a point or two of each other. If you chose 122, then you can not vary beyond 120-124, or you data will not be the same from skill to skill.
                      Gherig McComas
                      Coyote Moon
                      Test Server

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        The trivial is high enough, though, to be at the bottom of the success curve. You can see this by looking at the ratio's of the successes vs. failures, and the nr. of skillups on successes vs. failures.

                        Looking at my data, I see...
                        (name - successrate - skillups on successes)
                        Smithing: ~4.375%, ~9.09%
                        Jewelry Making: ~7.5%, ~10%
                        Baking: ~4.375, ~10.26%
                        Brewing: ~6.25%, ~10.52%
                        Fletching: ~6.25%, ~11.11%

                        The expected values for a minimum success rate are 5% and 10% respectively. As you can see, Baking (with a trivial of 135) matches up with Smithing (with a trivial of 122), when looking at the successrate.

                        By the way, someone else calculated the minimum trivial needed to skill up to 45-ish and still be at the bottom of the successcurve (i.e. 5%), it can be found here
                        Last edited by Kaysha Soulsinger; 05-02-2004, 07:05 AM.

                        Kaysha Soulsinger
                        Member of the 1750 club since October 13th 2004
                        True strength is not a measure of the body, it's a measure of the soul

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          The God Progressive Quests can get us to skill level 54 for free.

                          This would be time-consuming if all we want is data to estimate the level of difficulty in the skillup formula. However the first level of the quest gets us to level 31 without the need to finish the quest. We can create a new character, gather data, erase the character and start again.

                          The next problem is getting a newbie pc to Abysmal Sea. You need an Adventurer's Stone from a level 15 quest. This can be done on the Test server. The /testbuffme grows you instantly to level 25.

                          I didn't have a character on Test before so the first one had to make a little money to pay for tradeskill containers. Two greater lightstones from wisps in North Karana turned in for Concordances of Research were enough for the two characters I created and for many more if I needed them.

                          I found out to my chagrin that level 25 is not high enough for the level-limited tradeskills. I could get only 4 skillups in alchemy from my shaman starting from skill 1.

                          The last problem is to use of the data to estimate difficulty. I came up with a way that I will present later here.

                          The following messages will give you the data for each tradeskill in turn. I compiled them for you rather than showing the logs to save you work and because it's trickier than it seems. A skillup is shown after a failed combine, but before a successful one. I had to match time stamps.

                          I also compiled Kaysha's logs where available.

                          From this data I estimate the following values for the difficulty Y in the skillup formula:
                          • Baking 3
                          • Brewing 3
                          • Fletching 4
                          • Jewelcraft 3
                          • Pottery 4
                          • Smithing 2
                          • Tailoring 2
                          Last edited by Suani; 05-12-2004, 07:40 AM. Reason: Added current Y estimates

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Baking

                            This data on baking came from two characters on Test. I forgot to take off the first one's testbuff armor. That's why it's primary stat is so high.

                            S is the maximum adjusted stat, Trivial is the trivial level of the item attempted, Skill is the skill when the attempt is made (not the skill achieved), Made is the number of times the item was successfully made, Failed is the number of times the attempt failed, and SuOnMd is true when the skillup came on a successful combine.

                            The data begins with a compilation for Kaisha's log.

                            Code:
                            [B]S	Trivial	Skill	Made	Failed	SuOnMd[/B]
                            63	135	0	0	33	FALSE
                            63	135	1	1	24	FALSE
                            63	135	2	1	17	FALSE
                            63	135	3	2	8	FALSE
                            63	135	4	0	14	FALSE
                            63	135	5	2	20	FALSE
                            63	135	6	0	2	FALSE
                            63	135	7	0	1	FALSE
                            63	135	8	0	5	FALSE
                            63	135	9	0	2	FALSE
                            63	135	10	0	1	FALSE
                            63	135	11	1	9	FALSE
                            63	135	12	0	2	FALSE
                            63	135	13	0	7	FALSE
                            63	135	14	1	5	FALSE
                            63	135	15	0	2	FALSE
                            63	135	16	1	21	FALSE
                            63	135	17	0	4	FALSE
                            63	135	18	1	9	FALSE
                            63	135	19	3	33	FALSE
                            63	135	20	0	24	FALSE
                            63	135	21	0	4	FALSE
                            63	135	22	0	16	FALSE
                            63	135	23	2	64	FALSE
                            63	135	24	1	8	TRUE
                            63	135	25	0	20	FALSE
                            63	135	26	0	1	FALSE
                            63	135	27	0	3	FALSE
                            63	135	28	0	4	FALSE
                            63	135	29	0	5	FALSE
                            63	135	30	1	17	FALSE
                            63	135	31	0	5	FALSE
                            63	135	32	0	2	FALSE
                            63	135	33	0	4	FALSE
                            63	135	34	0	3	FALSE
                            63	135	35	1	34	FALSE
                            63	135	36	1	1	TRUE
                            63	135	37	0	1	FALSE
                            63	135	38	0	11	FALSE
                            154	31	0	1	0	TRUE
                            154	31	1	2	2	TRUE
                            154	31	2	2	2	TRUE
                            154	31	3	1	3	TRUE
                            154	31	4	0	1	FALSE
                            154	31	5	0	1	FALSE
                            154	31	6	1	0	TRUE
                            154	31	7	2	2	TRUE
                            154	31	8	0	2	FALSE
                            154	31	9	0	2	FALSE
                            154	31	10	0	2	FALSE
                            154	31	11	4	2	TRUE
                            154	31	12	1	1	TRUE
                            154	31	13	0	1	FALSE
                            154	31	14	5	5	FALSE
                            154	31	15	0	2	FALSE
                            154	31	16	2	1	TRUE
                            154	31	17	1	0	TRUE
                            154	31	18	4	3	TRUE
                            154	31	19	2	1	FALSE
                            154	31	20	0	1	FALSE
                            154	31	21	3	2	TRUE
                            154	31	22	2	3	FALSE
                            154	31	23	2	1	TRUE
                            154	31	24	4	1	TRUE
                            154	31	25	1	0	TRUE
                            154	31	26	2	2	TRUE
                            154	31	27	3	1	TRUE
                            154	31	28	3	0	TRUE
                            154	31	29	0	2	FALSE
                            154	31	30	2	3	TRUE
                            90	31	0	1	2	TRUE
                            90	31	1	2	0	TRUE
                            90	31	2	1	3	TRUE
                            90	31	3	2	2	FALSE
                            90	31	4	2	1	TRUE
                            90	31	5	1	0	TRUE
                            90	31	6	1	0	TRUE
                            90	31	7	2	0	TRUE
                            90	31	8	1	0	TRUE
                            90	31	9	2	3	FALSE
                            90	31	10	2	3	TRUE
                            90	31	11	3	3	TRUE
                            90	31	12	1	0	TRUE
                            90	31	13	1	0	TRUE
                            90	31	14	3	0	TRUE
                            90	31	15	5	3	FALSE
                            90	31	16	1	0	TRUE
                            90	31	17	3	0	TRUE
                            90	31	18	3	3	TRUE
                            90	31	19	1	1	TRUE
                            90	31	20	0	1	FALSE
                            90	31	21	1	2	TRUE
                            90	31	22	3	2	TRUE
                            90	31	23	2	2	TRUE
                            90	31	24	5	4	TRUE
                            90	31	25	1	0	TRUE
                            90	31	26	4	1	TRUE
                            90	31	27	2	0	TRUE
                            90	31	28	2	0	TRUE
                            90	31	29	3	1	FALSE
                            90	31	30	2	1	TRUE

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Brewing

                              This data on brewing came from two characters on Test.

                              S is the maximum adjusted stat, Trivial is the trivial level of the item attempted, Skill is the skill when the attempt is made (not the skill achieved), Made is the number of times the item was successfully made, Failed is the number of times the attempt failed, and SuOnMd is true when the skillup came on a successful combine.

                              The data begins with a compilation for Kaisha's log.

                              Code:
                              [B]S	Trivial	Skill	Made	Failed	SuOnMd[/B]
                              63	132	0	0	3	FALSE
                              63	132	1	0	9	FALSE
                              63	132	2	0	3	FALSE
                              63	132	3	0	8	FALSE
                              63	132	4	1	19	FALSE
                              63	132	5	1	4	FALSE
                              63	132	6	0	2	FALSE
                              63	132	7	0	4	FALSE
                              63	132	8	1	21	FALSE
                              63	132	9	0	6	FALSE
                              63	132	10	1	9	FALSE
                              63	132	11	0	7	FALSE
                              63	132	12	0	4	FALSE
                              63	132	13	0	1	FALSE
                              63	132	14	1	1	TRUE
                              63	132	15	0	4	FALSE
                              63	132	16	0	3	FALSE
                              63	132	17	0	2	FALSE
                              63	132	18	1	1	TRUE
                              63	132	19	0	13	FALSE
                              63	132	20	0	6	FALSE
                              63	132	21	2	4	TRUE
                              63	132	22	3	11	FALSE
                              63	132	23	2	26	TRUE
                              63	132	24	2	0	TRUE
                              63	132	25	0	7	FALSE
                              63	132	26	1	13	FALSE
                              63	132	27	0	20	FALSE
                              63	132	28	0	3	FALSE
                              63	132	29	0	21	FALSE
                              63	132	30	0	6	FALSE
                              63	132	31	1	24	FALSE
                              63	132	32	0	1	FALSE
                              63	132	33	0	6	FALSE
                              63	132	34	0	5	FALSE
                              63	132	35	2	11	FALSE
                              63	132	36	0	4	FALSE
                              63	132	37	0	3	FALSE
                              100	31	0	2	0	TRUE
                              100	31	1	3	9	TRUE
                              100	31	2	0	2	FALSE
                              100	31	3	0	1	FALSE
                              100	31	4	2	10	FALSE
                              100	31	5	1	2	TRUE
                              100	31	6	1	0	TRUE
                              100	31	7	6	5	TRUE
                              100	31	8	3	4	TRUE
                              100	31	9	2	2	TRUE
                              100	31	10	1	5	TRUE
                              100	31	11	7	4	FALSE
                              100	31	12	2	0	TRUE
                              100	31	13	1	1	TRUE
                              100	31	14	1	4	FALSE
                              100	31	15	1	0	TRUE
                              100	31	16	16	12	TRUE
                              100	31	17	1	0	TRUE
                              100	31	18	1	4	FALSE
                              100	31	19	0	1	FALSE
                              100	31	20	1	0	TRUE
                              100	31	21	1	5	FALSE
                              100	31	22	3	1	TRUE
                              100	31	23	2	0	TRUE
                              100	31	24	1	0	TRUE
                              100	31	25	2	0	TRUE
                              100	31	26	5	3	TRUE
                              100	31	27	1	1	TRUE
                              100	31	28	2	4	TRUE
                              100	31	29	2	2	FALSE
                              100	31	30	1	0	TRUE
                              90	31	0	3	8	FALSE
                              90	31	1	1	0	TRUE
                              90	31	2	1	3	TRUE
                              90	31	3	1	3	TRUE
                              90	31	4	1	7	FALSE
                              90	31	5	1	3	FALSE
                              90	31	6	1	3	FALSE
                              90	31	7	3	4	TRUE
                              90	31	8	5	5	TRUE
                              90	31	9	3	2	TRUE
                              90	31	10	5	5	FALSE
                              90	31	11	7	10	TRUE
                              90	31	12	0	1	FALSE
                              90	31	13	3	3	TRUE
                              90	31	14	2	1	TRUE
                              90	31	15	1	2	TRUE
                              90	31	16	7	11	TRUE
                              90	31	17	1	0	TRUE
                              90	31	18	1	1	TRUE
                              90	31	19	1	4	FALSE
                              90	31	20	2	2	TRUE
                              90	31	21	3	0	TRUE
                              90	31	22	1	3	TRUE
                              90	31	23	2	0	TRUE
                              90	31	24	3	1	TRUE
                              90	31	25	1	1	TRUE
                              90	31	26	0	2	FALSE
                              90	31	27	5	5	FALSE
                              90	31	28	2	2	TRUE
                              90	31	29	4	4	TRUE
                              90	31	30	1	1	FALSE

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