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    I was asked yesterday to make an 83 BL spell. It looked straight forward enough, although there was no recipe known for it, so I said I would give it a shot.

    Then I started looking for precedents, and found some rather odd results.

    The spell is called Unrivaled Rapidity. It gives the BL pet Haste, ATK, AC, additional damage, and along with that procs a group Haste for the BL and his group. This complicated things, but it seemed it should not be that bad, since the previous BL spells in that line were essentially the same. I had to go back to level 68 though before I found a spell in this line that had a known recipe.

    Growl of the Beast was fairly logical, Fine Vellum for the level, Quill of the Feral Lord for the class. There is no resist on a pet buff, so the Ink Additive of the Nameless made sense. The Invigorating Thickener fits in for the single target buff, and the Inks of Alacrity and Tribunal are logical for the pet Haste and AC. Two Inks of Zek cover the ATK and the damage multiplier, and again, those in in line with other spells with similar effects (the Mage and Necro pet buff spells in particular).

    It gets strange after this point though. Growl of the Beast works, but Unparalleled Voracity, the level 73 spell in the same line, which has all the same effects, does not use the same recipe with a changed paper. The Mage and Necro pet haste spells continue in the same vein as their predecessors, but for some reason the BL pet haste does not (the Mage and Necro spells add STR to their pets, but do not have the added ATK, and as a result use Ink of the Rhino in addition to, or in place of, one of the Ink of Zek).

    The 78 BL pet haste, Peerless Penchant, is essentially the same spell as previous ones in the line, but begins the group haste recourse. It would seem logical that the recipe would be the same with perhaps an additional Ink of Alacrity to cover the group haste, and perhaps Talisman Thickener instead of the single target Invigorating, although that starts to get complicated, since the primary spell is a single target buff.

    The 83 spell continues the same trend, with the pet haste having the group haste recourse, but there seems to be some break in the logical progression of the recipe, since the recipe that seems like it should work : Fine Spell Tablet, Ink Additive of the Nameless, 2 (or 3) Ink of Alacrity, 2 Ink of Zek, Ink of the Tribunal, Invigorating Thickener (or Talisman Thickener) and a Quill of the Feral Lord, does not combine. Even trying two Thickeners to cover the two effects does not do anything, which makes sense, as I know of no spell that uses two Thickeners.

    In other words, we have a whole spell line that is completely unknown, and such things bother me. Perhaps someone else has insight into what I am missing about this spell line, or an idea of why the recipe changed between the 68 and the 73 spells, which are identical other than level.

  • #2
    It is very likely that is one of the UF spells which are not researchable, as VoA only added did spells/songs/tomes to SoD.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kaliaila View Post
      It is very likely that is one of the UF spells which are not researchable, as VoA only added did spells/songs/tomes to SoD.
      As I noted, it is not a single (SoD dropped) spell that is missing a formula in this circumstance, but an entire spell line.

      Typically, a higher level spell in a spell line will use an identical formula with a level adjusted paper if the effects of the spell do not change. In this case, the level 68 spell is known, but the level 73 spell, which has all the same effects, does not use the same formula with the 73 paper. The 78 spell adds a recourse, so would alter the formula, but does not seem to do so in a logical fashion, and the 83 spell adds the same recourse, but remains unknown.

      It is a mystery.

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      • #4
        No, it is simply that they stopped following their own rules. There are a large number of tome which do exactly what you say. The original set of tomes when they added Melee research follow the rules in the systematic tome research books, but every expansion since then there have been a number of tomes which moved further away.
        Additionally, the 81-85 spells are a cluster ____, you have some like the level SoD 85 shaman spell Blood of Avoling which actually uses what would be the recipe for Talisman of Darkpaw Focusing if that spell actually existed, since SoD added the Unity line, of which Talisman of Unity was never discovered.
        Either way to be perfectly honest; since they sell ALL rank 2s that can be made via Research in PoK for less than the cost of a single solution, it is not really worth taking the time to make the spells. Unless you just want to spend several K of plat on the extremely minimal upgrades.


        Edit: To Xerius' point make in the following post. My intent was to state that for every rank 2 which you can make via research you can already buy the rank 1 in PoK; and the power difference between rank 1 and rank 2 (with very few exceptions) is miniscule enough to not be worth the time and money spent to actually make the rank 2.
        Last edited by Kaliaila; 05-25-2014, 09:57 PM. Reason: To reply to a very old post.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kaliaila View Post
          Either way to be perfectly honest; since they sell ALL rank 2s that can be made via Research in PoK for less than the cost of a single solution, it is not really worth taking the time to make the spells. Unless you just want to spend several K of plat on the extremely minimal upgrades.
          Technically, only Rk I spells are sold in Knowledge, so the upgrade may be small (in some cases), but still worthwhile to have the best spells available.

          Besides, the knowledge is worth more than the spells themselves. There is a great deal of satisfaction in figuring out a spell recipe, and this one bothers me, since it defies convention. If it were simply an 83 spell missing, I would shrug and assume somebody clicked something wrong and it ended up using Zebuxoruk's Ink Additive (and it does not; I tried it), but to have an entire spell line missing, now that is a mystery worth the investigation.

          For those for whom finding such unknowns is not enjoyable, more power to you, and my pity is yours.

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          • #6
            I think there are several spell lines across multiple classes which can't be researched. I personally find the lack of attention to detail from the folks coming up with these recipes annoying to say the least. Put the rules in place, then follow the rules or don't bother imo. I've been contemplating this more lately with the change in the way you acquire HoT and VoA spells...the HoT fragments are ridiculously cheap these days in the bazaar on Povar and getting enough faction to use them isn't that hard. Will it always stay that way? Probably not. It wasn't horribly hard back in the day to get the faction in SoD to buy the Rk II spells, but now - ugh, who would want to bother (problem with SoF/SoD was too many factions to work because there was separate faction in each zone) As people move out of the HoT zones the fragments may become more uncommon, but then again, people won't be needing to stop and get the rk II spells as they scream through to 100.....

            Nothing useful to add, just a rant
            Aanuvane Bristlecone - Druid - Povar via Quellious via Rodcet Nife
            AKA Muertenie, Melodee, Orelinde, Nounie, Gnomess, Cininea Ashryn, Mairede or a host of additional alts. Maybe also be found on Rabon, Kynsh or Atracker.

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            • #7
              I have found that Beastlords have 4 quest lines (so far) that don't have researched recipes found.
              73 - Unparalleled Voracity Rk. II
              74 - Spirit of Lairn Rk. II
              75 - Steeltrap Jaws Rk. II
              75 - Spellbreaker's Guard Rk. II

              I am curious as do Beastlords not have enough researchers, or are these all broken recipes?

              edit: I did find and post Spellbreaker's Guard. I wasn't able to find anything for the others using previous spells as guides.
              Last edited by Silvermink; 05-18-2014, 10:26 AM.

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