What is it with Verant and Enchanters?

[Dvinn]

Why do we need enchanters to make so much in PoP? Distilled mana at 200 per pop to make one enchanted planar metal? Imbue diamond spell costing 1000 mana per cast????????? Does Verant actually think echanters want any part of this horror show?

**** it, I've had 7 nightmare tempers in my packs for about 3 weeks now, and I CAN"T FIND ANY ENCHANTERS TO HELP ME MAKE THE DIAMONDS. I AM FED UP ONCE AGAIN. THANK YOU VERANT FOR NOTHING...{Threat removed - yes it was a MILD one, but a threat nonetheless. - Ngreth}

[Lilosh]

You are implying , perhaps, that this is a recent development?


If you want to make MAGIC armor, It appears as though SoE wants an Enchanter to be a part of the process.


I suppose the reasoning is that you can smith Non-Magic armor to your hearts content. You can get fairly Good at smithing without Enchanters and Magic. (188) You can't be the best smith in the Planes (250), without learn how to work with enchanted metals.


From a roleplaying point of view, it makes perfect sense.

From an "All men are created Equal" point of view, it slightly unbalances tradeskilling.

(Self-Edited to add that you REALLY might want to tone down the second art of your message.... A little close to VI/SoE Bashing)

-Lilosh

[Iannyen]

grrrr....

Debating wether or not to chime in on this one. I'll come back a little later when I've calmed down. :evil:

[Iannyen]

ok, all better now

Lilosh:

blessed sickle blade:
sheet metal, smithy hammer, celestial essence, blessed dust of tunare, emerald, mistletoe temper, curved blade mold
(Trivial 183)

blessed sickle pommel: sheet metal, smithy hammer, celestial essence, sapphire, blessed dust of tunare, mistletoe temper, pommel mold
(Trivial 182)

blessed sickle hilt: sheet metal, smithy hammer, celestial essence, ruby, blessed dust of tunare, mistletoe temper, hilt mold
(Trivial 180)

Mistletoe cutting sickle blessed sickle blade, blessed sickle hilt, blessed sickle pommel, smithy hammer

1HS, 8/22, WIS 5, mana 20, sv magic 5, wt 5.4, DRU/ALL, recommended level 20
(Trivial >250)

...so you can be the worlds greatest smithy without ever touching an enchanted piece of anything. Of course you do have to find a Druid to Imbue a ton of emeralds for you...

:twisted: But Druids don't really hold any cards in the ol' tradeskilling game, now, do they...(*cough*forrage*cough*track*cough*port*coug h*SoW*cough*) :twisted:

Dvinn:
I don't think that its too much of a stretch to expect enchanters to enchant some metal. Most of the ones I know (myself included) are more than happy to help out, provided we get a little notice. I happily enchanted a full stack of velium for a friend, for free, even knowing that he would be making Jewelry that would be competing with my sales. But he was polite and offered to pay for my time ( I accepted nothing), and we did it when it was convinent for both of us.

Also, you made no mention about having the Mephit Blood, Metallic Liquid, or other uber-rare drop required to make the diamond, or even the raw diamonds themselves. I am a little curious as to exactly what you offered the enchanter for his/her services....

And if you feel that you shouldn't have to pay for an enchanter's services, then use one of your 8 character slots to roll one up, and level him/her to 62 where we get the chance to make a spell using ultra rare components. Shouldn't be too hard. :roll:

[kuronekosama]

I soooooooooooooooo hate this. I'm a gm human smith and a warrior to boot. For heraldic armor I go through tons of enchanted bricks. Now, I do have the option of getting to 242 with imbued field plate, but again it's imbued so I have to find a cleric/shammy/druid. My cost of ore because of this more than doubles because I have to make an offer attractive enough to get a chanter to do it for me. Essentially I pay 43pp per brick which unenchanted costs 18pp. That doesn't count me paying for them to get a KEI and giving them a copy of the spell if they don't have it. Fortunately heraldic is profitable enough - it's not the cost that bothers me. Heck, I'd be willing to pay double what I do now if I could get it from a vendor. Ah well.

[Lilosh]

Re: ok, all better now

...so you can be the worlds greatest smithy without ever touching an enchanted piece of anything. Of course you do have to find a Druid to Imbue a ton of emeralds for you...

Ya know, I knew someone was going to bring that up. :twisted:

I count imbuing as putting a small bit of your Gods Power/Essence into a stone. Which I kind of group in the same category as enchanting.

My point was that normal metal is not going to get you to to the pinacle of smithing. Whether your metal has been enchanted by magic, or you are using dust kissed by the gods, Your metal needs to be extraordinary.


At least, this is how I view it.


-Lilosh

[Iannyen]

Yeah

..thats why I added the admission that the emeralds (billiunz of em) had to be imbued. My big point (the big picture if you will) is that you could very easily make a case for most of the classes when it comes to having some sort of edge for tradeskills (except for maybe the Human Warrior, sorry man, that really does make it hard, except for the fact that eventually, you do get to make some of the best armor that isnt dropped in the game...), be they Druid, Ranger, Necro, Enchanter, Beastlord or whatever...

What is important is that we all share a debatably maniacial affectation for self imposed carpal tunnel syndrome and endless timesinks, and that we should always try to help each other rather than to eek out or undercut our fellow tradeskillers. Let Uberguild_003 and Wannabeuberguild_002 fight about who is better at what, and lets try to better ourselves by not saying "soandso" has it sooo easy. Thats all I'm trying to say.

[Dvinn]

You gotta understand what's going on here. 62+ enchanters are generally doing one of two things. Either selling kei in the bazaar or grouping in PoP. Either way, most cannot, or will not help during these times.

Putting enchanters and other tradespeople in this position makes no sense to me, the amount of lost time and frustration this produces is absurd.

[sumamael]

It's in the enchanters' class definition alright, I can live with that.

However the level requirements and the mana cost is NOT fun. :?

I find it amusing that an enchanter can keep an 800 hitter giant charmed in BoT from less mana than to enchant some bricks of metal :roll:

[Lilosh]

I find it amusing that an enchanter can keep an 800 hitter giant charmed in BoT from less mana than to enchant some bricks of metal :roll:

I've met an enchanter or two who used no mana, but had me charmed all right.


:twisted:


-Lilosh

[kiztent]

Re: ok, all better now

My point was that normal metal is not going to get you to to the pinacle of smithing. Whether your metal has been enchanted by magic, or you are using dust kissed by the gods, Your metal needs to be extraordinary.

-Lilosh

Yes, but when the best soloing class, most necessary class for groups AND raids, yea, even the class with the most profitable buffs is ALSO the roadblock for high level smithing, there's a problem (especially when enchanting a block of ore takes as much mana as KEI, and KEI retails for 100pp).

What's wrong with having a mage able to summon primal blocks of metallic energy that have to be properly worked by a smith before their essence fades?

It's not like no rent components aren't used in smithing, and all the other mage summons are just as good as the real thing, bar the no rent component (some are pretty unique, never mind mod rods). Personally, I'm all about interdependance, but the fact that enchanters sit and roadblock everything in EQ right now is completely unbalanced.

[Moraganth]

Same rant, different week.

Yes, but when the best soloing class

You have us confused with necros.. again /hates that when it happens

is ALSO the roadblock for high level smithing

Go with making sickels... then the druids can be your roadblock.

What's wrong with having a mage able to summon primal blocks of metallic energy that have to be properly worked by a smith before their essence fades?

You think finding a mage is going to be easier? Mage population has shrunk a bit the past some odd months, my guess is their fewer of them than willing chanters per server. Also, it's not in their class descriptions.

Personally, I'm all about interdependance, but the fact that enchanters sit and roadblock everything in EQ right now is completely unbalanced.

We don't.. there are ways in most tradeskills to max out without the need of a chanter. You simply don't want to take them.


Sorry, but this is just the same rant that keeps coming up over and over again. You don't require a chanter to max skill... you only need them to make certain things. As there class description calls for them to be capable of making magical items, and the name "enchanter" kinda implies that a little (how odd), what is it you expect.

[Shaman Arriana]

You have us confused with necros.. again /hates that when it happens

No, he has enchanters right on the head. Necros don't go to the halls of honor and solo their way to 15 AA per day. Enchanters do.

[Lothay]

Please do not turn this into a class-bashing thread.

~ Lothay

[Angelsyn]

Re: What is it with Verant and Enchanters?

Why do we need enchanters to make so much in PoP? Distilled mana at 200 per pop to make one enchanted planar metal? Imbue diamond spell costing 1000 mana per cast????????? Does Verant actually think echanters want any part of this horror show?

darn it, I've had 7 nightmare tempers in my packs for about 3 weeks now, and I CAN"T FIND ANY ENCHANTERS TO HELP ME MAKE THE DIAMONDS. I AM FED UP ONCE AGAIN. THANK YOU VERANT FOR NOTHING...{Threat removed - yes it was a MILD one, but a threat nonetheless. - Ngreth}

Let's see... As I recall, to make the "Imbue Nightmare" spell only requires the Nightmare Mephit Blood drop, the Raw Diamond & the Imbue Diamond spell... a combine that anyone can do, since it's No Fail.

Now, Enchanters aren't the only class that can scribe and cast this spell!!!!

Thank you.