Essence of Race potions

[Gailedon]

These look very cool. Depending on the price of wormwood I see a very good maket for these especially from the evil races. Now if we can get the price of wormwood and start narrowing down the trivial. I'll try and make one as soon as I get home. (Carrion spiders in EK are great for random body parts for those of us who are good aligned.)

[Canine]

72 + pp each

[Gailedon]

Ouch. :shock: Thats pretty spendy, on the other hand I don't see people buying these in ten dose bottles. Even so would there be a market at ~100pp a single use potion for illusions?

[Shamam]

do wormwood tradable ? I want make this without buy LoY

[cattywumpus]

Any trivial info yet?

[Canine]

triv is below 207 ;)

wormwood is just like any other alachemy item so yes its tradeable

[Tharkis]

5 dose troll essence = DNC dont know if multi charge loy potions in game

[EnfinitiStarr8]

triv is below 207 ;)

207? How do you have 207, GMT?

[Forty]

Alchemy caps at 200...

[EnfinitiStarr8]

Also, anyone know where Vah Shir meat dropps? I would LOVE to be a Vah Shir Ranger :D . Might be good to have a nice sticky for good places of race mean, Oasis is good, aka Lackjaw. I hear Crages in EK but dont know first hand. Wood Elf Banidts in GFay. Just a few off the top of my head.

[EnfinitiStarr8]

Forget that, just found THIS (http://www.eqtraders.com/secrets/info/racialdrops.htm) on the main page, will take my own advice and look harder next time. Sorry. :(

[Jadin]

It is below 175 skill as I made Halfling, Human and Ogre potions :D

Hope this helps a bit

Jadin McAbre
59th Halfling Shaman
Drinal

[UbercyrusForbeis]

I got No Trivial message on Halfling, Wood Elf, Dark Elf, High Elf, Human, Erudite, Gnome, Ogre, and Troll at 160 skill.

Failures were very low, but they did happen.

Froglok meat was a DNC, as well as Otterman meat.

[Rathelon]

I made dark elf, troll, gnome, erudite, and human. All trivial at 181. Some use 'parts', some used 'meat'.

[Quinner Sparrowhawk]

New potions? Taken from suggestions made here? That and the bags are just too much for me to handle /em faints

[EnfinitiStarr8]

I have not seen anyone say anything but does the effect act just like the Enchanter spells where trolls have Regen and such? If that's the case then some might be really worth making and buying. I've had problems logging in so I cant see anything on the game yet! :cry:

[Yyidth]

The Essence of Troll (http://lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=65074) does have 1 regen to it. The other potions also all seem to reuse the enchanter illusion spells. But, most of the enchanter spells do not have any effect outside of the illusion (troll being the exception).

edit: And, yes the one point of troll illusion regen does stack with other regens.

--
Yyidth of the Rathe (lvl 59 wizard)

[Kheera]

Found Vah Shir meat (/sniffle) off a Firefall Saurek in Shadeweaver Thicket last night. Was wondering about it, now I know what it's for ^_^

Kheera
56 kitty shaman on Tunare

[Gundark Viresdator]

Tried (that is to say, could afford) one dark elf combine last night. At a skill of 164 I got a trivial message. Looks like 160-164 so far then...

[Wasure]

So will the illusions drop when you zone/camp and such?

[Lemiak]

gnome, wood elf and troll trivial at 175

[Jalia]

Dark elf should give you infravision, since the chanter illusion does.

[EnfinitiStarr8]

Dark Elfs have ULTRAvision, not INFRAvision, and I too hope they get all the Essences just the spells.

[Jkana]

DNC message for 5 shot Essence of Gnome too.

[Jalia]

Yeah, I meant ultravision, sorry.

I know they said that these illusions would not affect faction, but here's something else to think about: I used dark elf illusion tonight in Rivervale. The guards still considered me Ally, but several merchants that were normally neutral were now dubious and told me that they wouldn't sell to dark elves... merchants like the brewing merchant on the 2nd floor of the rogue guild, "bag merchant", and the baking merchant near the druid guild. A few merchants still liked me though, and I didn't seem to be kos with anyone.

Anyone else experience that sort of thing yet?

[Meschit]

I tried out human illusion in SH last night. I went to a vendor that I normally have to wear the faction collar for. Didn't need it this time.

[Gaell Stormracer]

Generally, these days, race illusions only mask out 1 component of the faction result that NPCs use to judge you:

1. Race
2. Deity
3. Class
4. "Actions"

As a Druid, I've seen that in "old world" areas, Wolf-form is very effective in masking components 1-3 - e.g. my Iksar Monk was able to use Wolf-form to do many quests in Freeport and Qeynos, and I was able to shop and bank in Oggok as a Wolf also.

This was obviously seen as a major exploit by Verant, and they ensured that this particular trick wouldn't work in Kunark with the brutal expedient of making Wolves worse-hated than any race in Kunark and Velious. Even now, being max Ally with CoV and Coldain due to the 'actions' component, I drop to Amiable as a Wolf.

In Luclin and PoP, they seem to have relented, and components 1-3 have become largely irrelevant to adventuring there (yes, Evil races are KoS in Katta Castellum and Sanctus Seru, but it is fixable without quite the same degree of faction farming as, say, becoming non-KoS in Cabilis as an outsider, or in FV as an Evil.

I think a big use for these Race potions coul be Human-form potions for people wanting to do the Amulet of the Grey quest from Katta Castellum...

[ceno65]

5 dose of woodelf = DNC
and
5 dose of dark elf = DNC



made a 10 dose of halfings tho

[Niami DenMother]

Many of the 5-dose potions were unhappy, and have been fixed and awaiting a patch.

I just got home from the chiropractor's and see that the servers are down, so I'm unsure if these fixes are being pushed with whatever else they're fixing today (charms), but it'll be one of the things I'll check once everything's back up today.

[lonewylfe]

So will the illusions drop when you zone/camp and such?

I would assume so, I think the enchanter illusions drop with zone/camp also.

[Haleice]

The trivial levels on the main LoY secrets page for the essence potions are incorrect.

from memory (log doesn't record the order I made them in)
Wood elf
gnome
dwarf

were Trivial at 165 but

Dark Elf
Halfling

were NOT trivial at 165.

[Aandaie]

Bleah.. I got all excited but if they don't affect faction big sad face!

OH now it seems you are saying they DO affect faction? Unfortunately
I saw someone selling them on the tribunal server for 250 plat. That seems ridiculous when they cost around 100 to make and don't last long.
I'd understand 150 plat, that is about all.

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[Rendael Brigh]

It would be cool if brownie parts worked, but I doubt it.

[toddfish]

I see Iksar Meat was added reciently to lucy http://lucy.fnord.net/item.html?id=21961 and was curious if anyone has the drop location and has tried to make an Iksar potion?

[Picur]

I made essence of iksar, it's not trivial at 163. Don't know where the meat came, i got it as a present. Also made lots of wood elf, halfling, troll, dark elf illusion potions. They seem to be sellable if advertised, but very hard to sell with bazaar (for 200 pp); too few people are aware that these potions exists.

[Cubwynn]

Just a little input from an enchanter... maybe you can use this info to sell some potions.

Known racial illusion effects

Barbarian normal vision (yes, if your normal race has Infra/Ultravision, you will lose it when under illusion), Slam (check your hotkeys)
Dark Elf ultravision
Dwarf infravision, neat-o jump and run somersault
Erudite normal vision
Gnome infravision, bald spots
Halfling infravision, furry feet
Half Elf infravision
High Elf infravision
Human normal vision
Iksar infravision
Ogre infravision, Slam, unknown if you get the un-stunnable from the front bonus (I don't melee enough to test anymore)
Troll infravision, Slam, 1 point of Regen
Vah Shir can't confirm personally, would suspect infravision
Wood Elf infravision

[Saleani]

Wow, Essence of Iksar is in the game! Part of the biggest hassle of the cudgel quests is getting an enchanter with the project illusion aa. Most will not bother to pop down to field of bone for an illusion. This will make the last battle much easier, since the final battle and turn in is inside howling stones. The maximum faction a barbarian shaman can reach is indifferent, and everyone says you need amiable+ for the turn ins. In iksar form, my shaman /cons ally with the shamans.[/u]

[Dreamhunter]

I did some experimentation with the essences and this is what I have so far:

- The illusion drops after you zone or camp. It also drops after approximately a half an hour – at least I managed to be the first ever gnome shaman in PoK casting buffs for free before I turned back into a pumpkin. Had such a good time during this :).

- I am Barb Shaman worshiping the Tribunal, and guards in Butcherblock were “scowl(ing), ready to attack” when used Troll and Ogre illusion versus “amiable” without illusion. The merchants, though, conned indifferent to me. I was camping the bandits here for dwarf meat, and the bandits in Gfay for Wood Elf parts. In Butcher, the camp labeled as 12 on EQAtlas map is the one in which NPCs drop the meat. Both with the Dwarven and Wood Elven bandits, only one NPC of the whole camp spawn drops the meat – or maybe that was my luck.

- With only a skill of 115 + 5% I had only 3 failures in 20 combines. All essences were NOT trivial to me. I found most of the meat on merchants in PoK.

- I took some screen shots, that you can see if you follow this (http://www.impendingdisaster.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=356) link. The images are not compressed, just converted to JPEG, so it may take a while to load.

Good luck hunting to you all.

{EDIT}

P.S. Forgot to mention: races that have infra/ultravision grant you the same when you use the illusion.

[toddfish]

Are there any Iksar NPCs in the Ykesha zones? I killed some Iksar marauders in the Field of Bone and the Iksar slaves in the mines of Ssraeshza Temple but none dropped any meat. If anyone finds some please share where it came from.

[Rathelon]

Are there any Iksar NPCs in the Ykesha zones?

There must be. Some of my friends hunting there brought me iksar meat when I was in Gunthak trying out potions.


Iksar: infravision

Does iksar illusion not give regen also?

[Raccoo]

I really want to make some ogre potions, but so far I've not been able to get my paws on some ogre parts. I first tried the gulf, but gave up when I had a trail a mile long, my pet dead, and no ogre NPCs in sight anyway. Gated out, tried plan B. Went to Ocean of Tears and camped the Mudtoes for their meat. After a few hours camping them I gave up with 2 meats. Decided I'd try combining. DNC in the new folded medicine bag. So I decided it may work in the old one, so I bought one and tried it. DNC. I guess this meat doesn't work. Should it be listed on EQtraders if it is not?

Back to the Gulf for me tomorrow...

[Zuklaak]

In the Feerrot, outside of Oggok, there are two approx. lvl 5 ogre's along the trail that leads to the left from Oggok.

(39) Ogre Shadow Knight (The shame of reveling it) :cry:

[Cubwynn]

Iksar: infravision

Does iksar illusion not give regen also?

No, Iksar illusion does not confer a regen bonus. Troll is the only illusion with regen.

[Verdandi]

I consulted with Niami, who says there was a new ogre meat put in with LoY. We'll need to get the Mudtoes off of there and get up the correct meat name and some drop locations for ya. Sorry about that!

[Mimoza]

yes, got lots of Ogre meat (or parts?) in Gunthak... did not try to combine tho...

[Raccoo]

Thank you Verdandi for getting it updated. =)

Hmm killed one of the two ogres you mentioned Zuklaak, but he only dropped my faction with ogre citizens, and ogre flesh. Man, I didn't realize I wasn't KoS with the ogre citizens. Maybe I should work on befriending more of them (doesn't help that I repeatedly killed those poor ogres in WK :( ).
Back on topic here, ogre flesh can't be used to make these potions. You need "ogre parts" (I think). So far the only verified places they drop are in the new zones.

[Gerwood2]

ogre meat actually. Iksars in Sebilis get meat onto their loot tables? Anybody get much in terms of troll parts in LoY?, i have seen rarely any and a ton of trolls

[Raccoo]

Ok, I got my grubby paws on some nice ogre meat. I mean I made some potions. :D

I may be able to help with the trivials.
Essence of Dark Elf = 164. I stopped getting skill ups on DE potions when Alchemy hit 164. This confirms that 164 is the trivial for DE essence.
Essence of Human's trivial is less than, or equal to 163. It was trivial when I made one with skill of 163.
Essence of Ogres's trivial is less than, or equal to 165
Essence of Troll's trivial is greater than, or equal to 165. I leveled up to 165 making troll essences. Then I tried making ogre essences, and they were trivial to me (hadn't tried them before hand).

I believe that Troll and Ogre potions both have the same trivial of 165.

I have a theory that the trivials of the illusion potions follow the same succession as the enchanter illusion spells. For instance, human essence would be a lower trivial than iksar, while troll and ogre share the same (since enchanters get both at level 20) and would be in in the middle. This means Vah Shir and Froglok (assuming it comes out, or is found) will have the highest trivials.

[Mimoza]

hunting in Gunthak, Dulak and around, you get lots of

troll meat
erudite meat
ogre meat
iksar meat
dark elf parts
human meat (or is it parts?)

all those do combine to make illusion potions

plus... iksars also drop iksar blood!

and dark elves also drop elven blood (blood temper yeah!)

[Danthen]

Made Essence of Wood Elf, Dark Elf, High Elf and Human today. None were trivial at 150 skill.

[Raccoo]

The trivial of Essence of Troll is greater than 165. Just tried combining a few with that skill (max alchemy skill for my level :() and it didn't give the trivial notice. My theory was wrong. =\

[Amaruk]

This means that some of the more evil players can now get that illusion crown from the frogs without finding a chanter with project illusion. Guess I have a use for my Bag O Meats that I have been collecting since the game went live. I have just about a stack of most all the meats in the game. Need to get Iksar and Ogre now that they have been added though.

[Rathelon]

There are some 'gigantic wooly spiders' in Everfrost that drop barbarian meat.

[Lilosh]

Clearing Marauders, and Pillagers, and Plunderers in the cave in Gunthak yielded:

Dark Elf Parts
Erudite Meat
Human Parts
Gnome Meat
Ogre Parts
Troll Parts

But no Iksar. I saw ZERO Iksar Marauders, Pillagers, or Plunderers.


-Lilosh

[Aandaie]

Er changed my mind, these kind of rock really.

I got a dwarf one for 200 plat from Tribunal bazaar. It did indeed raise my factions with kaladim merchants, such as kinlo for druid epic, an entire step (indiff to amiable) This is pretty nice since it means that for a couple hundred plat or less you have a great start for many quests, especially indoors where wolf form would not work for sure.

Now the only problem is, I got in the bazaar on Trib to check out some more and there were none being sold. Either people have not made very many or not enough people are buying them.

I just wish I'd not blasted my dark elf factions figuring it was a waste since ones like Priests of Neriak could never be raised as a wood elf druid (The guild is indoors.)

Gunthak innitiates around the castle, on the stairs and in a room, also drop those meats lilosh listed. I HAVE seen iksars around Gunthak or Dulak, never killed though.

[UbercyrusForbeis]

There are Iksar in Dulak.

I've gotten 4 parts of them so far and made every one into a potion!

They are in the form or Mercenaries mostly. I think I saw some as other things, but can't remember off the top of my head.

[Bhumpatta]

I just made some halfling potions today. The potions got me up to 170 and were trivial after that.

[thunderpaw]

Has anyone tried essense of wolf potions, essense of bear or essense of aligator potions (using wolf, bear and aligator meats)? There are global models for them and the illusions are from other spells or from warders in the case of the aligator. Just curious if SOE was that creative. :)

I'd say try skeleton illusion potions too but for some reason I haven't found any skeleton meat. ;) Bone chips would be cool for that potion though. And taking this further than it should have gone already, use that globe of fear thingy that drops off of spectres for a spectre essence potion (again since they have a global model). Might make some necros a bit peeved though. :)

[UbercyrusForbeis]

Bear, Wolf, Alligator, Hero, Brownie, Froglok, Skeleton (bone chips), Zombie (zombie skin) = DNC

Haven't tried Globe of Fear, but I would guess same thing.

On a side note, I have not been able to find even one Barbarian meat. I know where they drop and all, but good lord... how rare is it?

[schulerta]

What are people paying/charging for meats/parts? Specifically Wood Elf, since I am farming the Sisters of Erollisi.

Troy

[Bhumpatta]

Generally for parts I see people charging from 1-5pp per part. Which really isn't to bad at all.

[Niami DenMother]

Just a gentle nudge. Please save Verdandi and myself some time and make sure that any future updates to the trivials on these go in the sticky topic set up for reporting LoY recipe data. This'll save her from having to copy & paste all over, and save me from having to chase through extra threads trying to find the info. :)

Thanks!

[thunderpaw]

since the LoY potions came out, meats have been going for up to 15pp each on Xegony. I think this is because alchemy doesn't cost enough already. ;)

[Morgrist]

This would also save a massive amount of time with Greenmist (Iksar SK epic) being done by non-Iksar. Just shift form and see how much the faction changes.

*ponders* Gunthak looks MIGHTY tasty right now. Those Illusion potions would rock for melee people-just "monster out" into Ogre mode for a fight,or Troll for speedier regen.

[Lixivia]

does anyone know where high elven meat/parts drop? they DO drop because i saw someone selling essence of high elf. just wondering thanks.

[Bannek]

I find high elf meats and several other assorted meats/parts in crushbone off the slaves there.

[Nasiir]

Anyone know about potions making people nonkos to the Outpost in Overthere, specifically iksar? If so, please PM me the info.

[Aandaie]

Not sure if its like this in other places, or only gukta because its new.

In gukta my troll sk and dark elf cleric are indiff in wood elf potion form, just like my druid is indiff.
They are originally scowl in their normal form.
My druid can do the ratear/fish/bone chip quest.
The dark elf cleric, or troll sk, can shop all around town and are treated with respect when hailing as well as getting quest info. When they actually TRY to do the quest, they get dissed with something like

"...how dare you, you are dispicable leave before I call the guards."

so evils can use the potions as an expensive one shot shopping thing but can't raise faction. I tried the invis/hide trick with the trade window open, they still get dissed though I verifed with my druid who is now amiable that it does indeed work (makes the druid indiff)

So I'd say as an iksar dark elf form would make you okay in the overthere, if you'd not lowered venril. If like gukta, though, you still would not be able to do the sarnak braid quest. My guess is that is only something they did in gukta though, so trolls could not eventually be hanging in the zone yelling at frogs and newbie frog players.

[Fudapuda]

For the first week or so after LoY came out, parts were selling for 5pp mostly, sometimes even lower.

Then the word got out :(

Now ALL racial parts and racial meats have gone up to 50pp. Kind of stupid, really, since all this does is drive the price up for them when they buy the potions, but then I'm not a free-market proponent :)

Anyway--I'm charging 200pp for all illusion potions now. I figure if they can stick it to me, I can stick it right back!

Fudapuda
Bertox

[Nasiir]

an iksar in de form still seems to be kos to OT :(

[Hawkewind]

Okay here is my deal....I have a maxed out Shammy alchemy at 140. And I have made about 200 of these potions and sold them all in the Bazaar. I was the first one selling and only consistent seller for first 10 days. Sold about 40 at 500pp and about 60 at 299pp. The rest, about a 100, at 199pp. I advertise with a canned hot key to bring attention and highlight that Troll gives regen, good for quests/factions, etc. I get about 2-3 tells each time I send this out to the Bazaar auction and /join market. About 1 out of 7 inquiries result in a multiple sale. I tried to do 10 dose but single dose sell better and for more overall.

I buy parts/meats in Bazaar for 5pp or less although many are now 20-25. I also level up my characters in the Gulf in LoY in the marauder town and get lots of parts/meat not to mention looting all the rotting (no pun intended) meat/parts others leave. I also send a tell while in zone about every 1/2 hr saying to save them for me....get about 1 person a session that does.

The prices have fallen to about 150pp as of yesterday with other consistent sellers which I think are using this as a means to advance in the skill. Great idea actually. With my somewhat high failure rate, time spent getting/paying for meat, having to buy wormwood (75pp or so in Lighthouse in the Gulf), and having to constantly advertise....I need to charge about 199pp a dose.

Finally.....Dark Elf, Troll and Ogre sell the best. Dwarf and gnome do okay. Barbarian is extremely rare and I get many requests but never any meat to find. Iksar is pretty rare and sells higher than the rest at about 300pp a pop. Human does suprisingly well.

Hope this helps some!

[Benaveriel]

Well, I can narrow down the trivial on a couple of potions a little. I did a little batch to sell, of mixed meats, got a skill up to 161 the first combine I did.

Unfortunately, I forgot to check for trivials then, though, and skilled to 163 on grow potions before I remembered, so I didn't try any of the illusion potions while I was at 162, I was at 163 when I tried the illusion potions again.

Essence of Ogre wasn't trivial at skill 161.

Essence of Human wasn't trivial at skill 161, but was at skill 163.

Essence of Erudite was trivial at skill 163.

Alas, I ran out of ogre meat before I got to 163. If I get any more, I will try again before I max out alchemy to 165.

I have found that Dark Elf and Ogre sell okay, Troll slightly less so. The one iksar potion I had went very quickly at 400pp.

I've been levelling in Dulak, and getting what meats I can there, so mostly the evils.

[Lixivia]

i still have trouble finding high elven meat, CB is more a good source for dwarf and wood elf meat, but it is pretty rare a high elf pops who drops meat, anyone care to share secrets? o O

[Moraganth]

I'm not a shaman, but am a chanter.. i can tell you what the chanter illusions do, and if they're simply recylcling the spells, your pots should do the same.

Troll has 1 regen, and infravison.
Iksar has infravision, no regen..
Oger has infravision, and gives Slam skill at 0 skill level (yeh, i get 1 slam for every 3 or 4 ct guard lizards..)
Half Elf and Wood Elf gives Infravision
Dark Elf gives ultravision, and makes you good looking.
High Elf gives infravision, and make you get lots of emails on "Tanning Products"
Erudite, Hooman, and Barbarian makes you blind... :P
Gnome and Halfling gives infravision and makes you short
Dorf gives you infravisions, then makes you short and ugly....
Vah Shir gives you infravision, and makes you shed in the hot months

Illusions do not mask religions. Certain religions cannot enter certain areas, even with illusions, unless they do a lot of faction work. Tunare worshipers with base faction, are still KoS in neriak.. as example. They also won't mask any "adjustments" you've taken for slaughtering those things that give "adjustments." If you are max kos to something, an illusion will put you at no where close to being out of kos.

A special warning for Iksar Illusion: the illusion does not make it safe to get near Cabalis Shaman guild, or Crusader Quag in FoB.... unless you are a Cazi Thule worshipper. An agnostic Iksar (illusioned) is KoS to the shamans guild, unless they have done buku faction work.

Illusions drop when you zone or ld, unless you are a chanter with the class aa "permanent illusion."

That's a runndown on chanter spell illusions. If shammie pots are rehashed chanter spells, that gives you a base for what they can, and can't, do.

****** edit

Just seen Cubwynn's post, guess it pays to remember when a thread is more than one page.

There are plenty of iksar in dulak.. the boats have certain races as crews.. Windscorn has a ships compliment filled with dark elves and iksars... all blue at level 60. It's the one on the other side of the ship in drydock. Be ready, there's a lot of mean, nsaty, evil, ugly (iksar... and good looking, the dark elf) creatures on board.

And, while the oger illusion gives slam, it doesn't give immunity to beeing stunned from the front... didn't take me long to dispell that hope the first time i used it.

[KaosynnerST]

As of 15 Mar 2003 I was able to combine a 10 Dose of Wood Elf. Seems when they fixed the foldable bag issue they aslo fixed the 5 / 10 dose issue.

[Garulf]

One thing to keep in mind with the large race potions (Ogre, Barb, Vah Shir, Troll), slam is exactly the same skill as bash. If you (as a class) don't have bash skill, you can slam (bash) without a shield, at skill 1. If you DO have bash skill, then being under a large race illusion will allow you to bash without a shield, at the skill level of your bash skill. So a gnome warrior under Illusion: Ogre, will bash (without a shield) exactly like you would if you were using a shield.

One final note, to slam magic damage only opponents, you need MAGIC pauldrons (shoulder armor), just like you need magic shoes/boots to kick these creatures.

I haven't personally confirmed that all the large race illusions grant slam, any chanters want to test it?

[Moraganth]

good question....i'll check tonight. i've only ever tried it with oger.

[Munkh]

:oops:

Ok just answered my question on the other thread about racial meats. Now I know what they be for.

Thank you

[Moraganth]

Sorry for the slow responce.. i just got a really rude spell message "The Flu Bug is not mezzable with this Vitamin C Dose"... /sigh

anyway.. Illusion Oger, Troll and Barbarian all give slam as a skill. Illusion Puddy Tat doesn't.

[Aandaie]

That is cause puddy tats don't get slam ;)

SOE said though they are medium/large, like the barbarians, they lack the "bulk" or something for a racial slam.

[Alaisdaire]

The exact triv for essence of human seems to be 162. I was using them to increase skill, and they went triv at 162 for me.

[Astori]

*IF* alchemy potions obey the normal rules associated with enchanter illusion spells, they will drop when you zone. An enchanter with the AA skill Permanent Illusion does not lose his illusion when zoning.

Now, to sum up the side effects of enchanter racial illusion spells:
1) They *ALL* alter the sight of the character to match that of the illusion race. This is why Erudite and human enchanters at low level often wear elven illusions - for the infravision.
2) Barbarian, Troll, and Iksar illusions grant the wearer the Slam racial skill.
3) Only Troll illusion grants a 1hp regen bonus.

As for faction associated with illusions: Illusion spells alter your *BASE* faction. If you put human illusion on a newly-created troll, said troll would have the same faction in Qeynos as any newly-created human character with the same deity and class. In many cases, this is enough of a faction adjustment to make the difference between KOS and dubious.

Interestingly, "max" faction does change when you change race. As a high elf enchanter who killed many, many corrupt Qeynos guards in West Karana while leveling, I recently discovered that if I use human illusion and kill some more, I do not get the message "Your faction standing with Corrupt Guards of Qeynos could not possibly get any worse." Rather, I get the standard negative faction hit message. As an elf, my faction was max KOS. With human illusion on, I can get it even lower! Presumably, if I were to adopt the illusion of a normally KOS race in a city where I am max ally, I would then have room to get even better faction, thereby having a bit of "padding" if I decide I need to kill a mob that gives a faction hit.

[Shammrok]

I've been getting LOTS of meat/parts drops off the various mobs in Dulak in LoY! DE and Human are most common but have also gotten Troll, Iksar, and Erudite.

And, while not alchemy specific, the DEs and Humans also drop Elven and Human blood regularly!

Shammrok
42 Shaman
Tribunal

[Lilosh]

I've been getting LOTS of meat/parts drops off the various mobs in Dulak in LoY! DE and Human are most common but have also gotten Troll, Iksar, and Erudite.

And, while not alchemy specific, the DEs and Humans also drop Elven and Human blood regularly!

Shammrok
42 Shaman
Tribunal

/agree

Human blood is hella-common, but I ALWAYS save the elven blood. 50p in the bazaar is nothing to pass up.


-Lilosh

[OberonMiM]

*2) Barbarian, Troll, and Iksar illusions grant the wearer the Slam racial skill.


Dont you mean Barbarian, Troll and Ogre?

I have a level 21 chanter and when i go illusion iksar i dont get slam

[Moraganth]

yeh, he meant barbarian, troll, and oger

[Dith]

Just a gentle nudge. Please save Verdandi and myself some time and make sure that any future updates to the trivials on these go in the sticky topic set up for reporting LoY recipe data.

I couldnt find this thread, could someone link it for me?

edit: ack removed trivial report on Essence of Erudite, I think I misreported it :)

[Verdandi]

Dith, it's been unstickied now that the initial rush of expansion data is over. But I've noted the update and will get it applied. For future reference, trivial info is easiest for us to find if you make a new thread for it or add it to one of the other existing threads that only has updates.

Thanks!