faction and illusion potions

[Lupoman]

i have read the LoY potions thread and jus thought i would make this its own thread.

Is there any definite answer to the question: "do the potions change your faction in old world zones?"

for example i am a barbarian, if i used the iskar potion, would i be KOS in cabillis or not?

Or, pick any race combinations. I really am interested to see if anyone has tested these out

[Lilosh]

Faction is based on 4 things

Race
Diety
Class
Actions.


One of those can be changed with illusions. (Race)
One can be changed by you. (Actions)
The other two are immutable. (Class, and Diety)


So an agnostic barbarian warrior, who puts on an Iksar Illusion, will probably be ok.

A wood elf druid of tunare would probably still be deep KoS as an Iksar Illusion.

I wonder how an Erudite Necro, of Cazic Thule, would be viewed with an Iksar illusion.

*ponders*

-Lilosh

[Verdandi]

Some practical examples:

An iksar illusion potion took me, a barbarian shaman, from threatening to kindly to the Cabilis guards. I was still scowling to the crusaders (shadow knights) but I'd never taken any positive hits to them, so that's not surprising. It took a whole lotta sarnaks and goblins and frogs to get to threatening with the guards in the first place.

With dark elf illusion I went from dubious to warmly with Toxdil, the dark elf vendor in the West Freeport tunnel, and down to apprehensive or dubious with all the other inhabitants of West Freeport (who range from apprehensive to warmly). I was surprised none of them went kos. But Giz Dinree, the dark elf near the ocean entrance to the rogue guild in East Freeport, was still scowling at me in dark elf illusion.

[Jessikah Moonfyre]

Would these be helpful in fixing faction you screwed up (for example on a PoG raid)? Would this be a way to make Pandos non-kos so I can shove muffins down his throat? :D

[Lilosh]

I believe not.

The faction hit from PoG is a GIANT negative to your actions.

Clerics of Tunare are still KoS after that hit, so changing into a High/Wood Elf probably won't help you.

-Lilosh

[Aerin Sola]

I am a barb shaman, diety The Tribunal. I did the Cabilis bone chips quest until my faction with Legion of Cabilis, Cabilis Residents, Crusaders of Greenmist, Swift Tails and Scaled Mystics was maxed at indifferent. Then, I used an Iksar Illusion potion in Cabilis, and that raised my faction with Scaled Mystics from indifferent to ally.

Just FYI :)

[Aandaie]

I am amiable to dwarf "merchants of kaladim", in my normal wood elf form. In dwarf potion form I was kindly. Every other dwarf faction was also raised by one step, save the ones I already had at allied (like stormguard)

Both my dark elf cleric and troll sk were scowl to frogs in gukta, but were indiff in wood elf potion form. However, the new zone of gukta is the first I've seen that doesn't ALLOW faction raising while in a changed form alone. They are indiff, like my wood elf druid is, yet the npcs for faction quests still dissed them ("how dare you show yourself..." etc)

They also get dissed when doing the invis/hide trick. My wood elf druid, when hidden STILL could do the quest. So their potions will allow you to shop and hang out, but not raise your faction if you were KOS before.
I'm guessing this is to prevent a troll from hanging out in frog city as a troll.

If you first got a leg up with pandos, THEN used the potion, yes it would help. Like my dark elf cleric first did wolf form which is a BETTER raise than the halfling one use mask until she was dubious in the halfling one use mask. Then she no longer needed a druid's help. Finally she was dubious in her own dark elf form a bunch o' muffins later.

Two others raise the exact same factions, the lantern guy near pandos is one (probably not a lot of help) but the other is often missed. Its Styria fearnon in Ocean of tears. I'm not sure if she is on a different faction from Pandos or not, but giving her a bracer of erolsi and/or those lore pirate earrings will raise the same factions. So if you come over from the pirate island with one bracer and one earring, that is two. If lucky, like I was, you find a bunch of the pirate earrings on the elf vendors there. They are lore, but you can buy one and walk ten feet away and give it to styria then buy another.

While my wood elf was fixing some factions it bound on sister island and popped back and forth with the erolsi bracer and an earring for styria, something different when bored of muffins.
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AH good idea, never thought of doing that more now for their meat drops!(pirate camp in OOT)

[Jessikah Moonfyre]

Thanks! That's a great suggestion.. considering I kill the Captain and his gang for meats. :) (The little gnome is a great source of gnome meat, and the DE drops meats occasionally. The captain still hasn't given me any, so I don't think he will.)

[Lupoman]

thanks all for the great answers and experience's. I hope others try some other cities. For example a good race trying to get into the DE city using the DE potion.

[Picur]

As an ogre shaman my faction went from dubious to indiff with human illusion in Katta.

[MaiexGriend]

Helped a guildie's warrior (no sneak ability) do the wine quest in Neriak 3rd quarter without having to kill a single mob. Granted, he needed an invis into and out of the 3rd gate but it was worth the effort.

[kiztent]

thanks all for the great answers and experience's. I hope others try some other cities. For example a good race trying to get into the DE city using the DE potion.

An agnostic half elf who has taken no DE faction hits can buy from dark bargainers in DE form and it not KoS anywhere in Neriak (excluding guilds).

[Calliopeia]

This might be a slight derail, but you all seem so knowledgeable that I must make use of it.

I've been hated by the clerics of Tunare and would like to repair that faction, if only because I'm a worshipper of Tunare myself and have occassionally wanted to go into Felwithe.

I tried feeding muffins to Pandos but my methods didn't work. If I wasn't invis, he attacked me right away. So I stood outside aggro range and charmed him and he'd take the muffins that way, but I didn't get any faction adjustments. I had another bard friend go with me and he charmed Pandos this time and the same thing happened - he'll eat my muffins but he won't give me any faction adjustments.

I figured wolf form won't help me since I am KoS due to my actions, not my race or deity. On a whim I tried my illusions and they made no difference. I only have masks or items with illusions for dark elf, erudite, iksar, werewolf, elemental, and barbarian but he attacked me in all forms.

I tried timing my hand-ins with the pulse of my invis song and managed to feed him ONE muffin that resulted in a faction adjustment that way, but timing the pulses is horrific at best and if I fail, I have to train him to the zone since I don't want to hurt my faction worse by killing him when he attacks me.

Any suggestions?

[Jessikah Moonfyre]

I suggest you go kill in crushbone until you're non-KoS to Pandos. (It's long and boring, but it works).

[Lupoman]

Jus an update, i went into Halas to do some smithing work and make some room in bags and bank (see skills below in the drop menu,somethin of everythingin there lol). After done, i decded to mess around with some newbies (well lvl 15-20's) runnin round town and drank a troll potion. I went from max ally to amiable with the guards. Cool i thought, lemme go scare some newbs lol.

Running around to various peeps and getting the "akk a troll!" and "WTF! how you get in here?" tells and says i was jus about done terrorizing hallas, so i go into the bank to do, well, some banking. So i run in and start doing the stun spin lol, you have been hit for 138, you have been hit for 168, etc etc etc etc. AAKK!! what the hell? who is attackin me? I turn to see that the banker, and ONLY the banker was whacking me!

I kinda stood there a sec dunbfounded, then saw me health was at 50% lol, well i aint gonna kill the banker lol. Run like hell lupo! Made it out and he followed into the water and all lol.


Moral- illusion potions work with faction

[Forty]

I must be bugged or something then. When I use the illusion potions I see NO faction changes whatsoever. Doesn't matter where I've tried. /shrug

[Aandaie]

Evidently you are bugged, or the mob saw the new illusion in the same way. It is probably the later one.

Its worked for:

My wood elf druid, to have better faction in Kaladim = Essence of dwarf

My Dark elf cleric, to have better faction in kaladim = Essence of High Elf (she was non kos and indiff already with warrior guild, High Elf form took her to KINDLY)

Though the dark elf was still indiff after doing some scarab armor quests, she suddenly got the information for the BP where before the guy said to raise her faction more (while she was also at indiff) So she was now a higher indiff)

What you may be experiencing, is max low faction with a merchant. You can be dubious to a merchant in an original form and STILL be dubious to the merchant in some form you figure it would like. This was the case with my dark elf cleric. It was dubious with merchants of kaladim, had raised stormguard to indiff. In high elf form it was STILL dubious to merchants of kaladim but Kindly to stormguard.

The reason for this may be twofold, either the merchants are max dubious, since they don't go below dubious, or it only READS as dubious while you may be somewhat in the "hole."??? I've never tried to figure it out. Actually there is another possible though, elves are not exactly held in esteem by the dwarves from the get go anyway and a dwarf potion may have made her more than dubious with the merchants.

Finally she has only got merchant of kaladim faction raises from the warrior guild turn ins of cb belts and the scarab armor she quested, while she has HUGE plus stormguard from tons of CB orc killing/quests/etc.

So I don't know, but its very likely if you try the form on other mobs you'd see a faction change.

[Gundark Viresdator]

A human druid of Tunare using Essence of Dark Elf was slain quickly in Neriak Commons. She was trying to do a charm turn in, and it didn't work very well at all. Her religion was just too much of an issue :? I now auction off essence potions with a diety disclaimer.

[Lupoman]

So it got you past the guards gundark?

[Landa]

I, Barbarian/Tribunal, tried to start turning in Bone Chips for faction. Thought I would use potion to get me started... They still showed ready to attack... and did. So, with no negetive faction hits, the potion did not get me up far enough not to be KOS.

[Moraganth]

Cabalis is an evil city for faction.. and i don't mean evil evil, i mean stupid evil.

The faction adjustment for religion is very high here, and the guy you give bone chips to to fix it is near Crusader Quarg.. the only crusader that's on shaman faction. Shamans start on the far bottom of the faction tables for people, and are the hardest to raise.

In the old world zones, religion played a larger percent of the faction hits... and when Cab was put in, that was increased for that city. Unless you activly work up factions, expect opposing religions to get you killed reguardless of illusions. A Tunare lover in neriak will be kos, as is a Inny worshipper in Felwith.

Once at ally, an illusion to a kos race is usually safe.. should move you to the amiable range.

This is the reason that chanters are told in creation guilds to be agnostic.

For the wine quest in neriak 3rd gate, only 2 of the npc's in the building are on a neriak faction.. one is a vendor up on the balconey, and the other is the turnin guy himself.. both on neriak vendors faction (even though he has a necro pet, he is not on necro faction). Everyone else in the library is on um... beta-nuetral? i think. Been a long time since i actually had to remember that. If you're gtg wth the neriak vendors, you can do the wine quest.

On that note, you may want an invis or port out also. Guards in the FQ and Commons zoens are on dread guard inner; guards in 3rd gate are on cleric and sk factions... which the wine quest does not help with. A few towards the path to the church may be inner guard faction, but then you have a few roaming necros.

[Verdandi]

For the wine quest in neriak 3rd gate, only 2 of the npc's in the building are on a neriak faction.. one is a vendor up on the balconey, and the other is the turnin guy himself.. both on neriak vendors faction (even though he has a necro pet, he is not on necro faction). Everyone else in the library is on um... beta-nuetral? i think. Been a long time since i actually had to remember that. If you're gtg wth the neriak vendors, you can do the wine quest.
You can do this at any starting faction, because vendors are never less than dubious, and dubious is enough for the quest npc to accept the red wine. Just remember you must be apprehensive in order to buy from a vendor, so some work will be necessary before you can purchase your own red wine in Neriak. Moraganth is right, those in the library that aren't vendors are on beta neutral (always indifferent to everyone) so the library is perfectly safe no matter who or what you are. Step outside the library while visible, however, and you're fair game for guards, necros, rogues, and various other unsavory types....