Primal Avatar?

[Sehra]

Primal Avatar is listed as researchable, but isn't the spell scroll NODROP? Has anyone sucessfully made a copy of Primal Avatar yet?

Very curious! Thanks :)

[fendekar wingbane]

....but since shaman dont get research, i kinda doubt the scroll will be no drop.

[Unmei]

You'd be surprised at how little planning went into this. =P

[Moldas]

Wondering if anyone can confirm the drop/NODROP status of this researched spell.

[Petercorbin]

can't confirm primal avatar not being no drop, but the dropped version of Illusion: Vah shir is lore and the research version is not.. so maybe they did take that into consideration for the lore and no drop spells out there.

[Unmei]

Uhm... when did you verify the status of the two Illusion: Vah Shir spells? I know that the researched version was Lore at LoY release. Have you checked a dropped copy since they changed it?

[Astori]

I've researched two copies of Illusion: Vah Shir since the LoY release. Both were Lore Items. I made the second about a week ago.

[Moraganth]

I have a copy of Illusion: Vah Shir i made the other night, and it's not lore. The copy of Everlasting Breath i made is lore.

[mewkus]

Getting back to the original subject (and bumping it back up), does anyone know if the researched primal avatar scroll is NoDrop or tradable?

[jack96jill]

the recipie as listed does NOT work,
yaeths 102 left, runed emblem, rune of association, quill, parchment
200 skill wizard

[Mardark]

In the trivials listing, it shows someone has done the combine somewhere, because it says its > 177 from what I read. So not sure what they did.

[Maevenniia]

That's probably me mixing it up with Primal Essence :( I'll let Denmom know about the broken recipe.

[Mardark]

I found the books discussing the shaman spell combines in PoK. They are in the building right by the nexus stone, on Yuriah Jomsab. Primal Avatar is not listed in the book at all.

[Verdandi]

It's been removed then. :cry:

On a side note, are there any other classes with spells that are only available as No Drop drops in high level zones that require difficult keys?

[Mardark]

The only ones I can think of off hand are the ancient spells in VT. Since Velious is several expansions old, there probably should be some consideration to remove the no drop flag from primal avatar. There really is not a high priority for farming keys to ST anymore. There are too many other time sinks to which there is much more of an advantage to invest in.

[Yalum]

You must have a lot more shamans than we do if your melees don't want primal weapons...

In any event, if they were going to make Primal Avatar droppable they would have done it during the Sleeper's revamp. You could always buy Ferine Avatar instead.

[Tudani]

Ancient Spells are also avaliable from ring of vulak i believe which doesn't require a key.

[Cragael]

Yup.... Ancient: Feral Avatar and the level 65 Ferine Avatar. Both are component-less, like Primal Avatar. Feral buff for 120 rather than 100, with the same 3 minutes recast/6 minutes duration. Ferine buffs for 140, with a 1 minute recast/6 minute duration.

A couple of Shamans with Ferine and SCRM can usually keep most of the melee damage dealer in a raid happy.

[tweedius]

Primal Avatar is a NO DROP shaman spell that only drops in Sleepers Tomb. Ya, the Illusion: Vah Shir is no drop, but it is not in a keyed area that requires everyone in ur raid force to be keyed to get to. So, I doubt that Primal Avatar can be made.

-Tweed

[Chaid]

So, I doubt that Primal Avatar can be made.
Probably. For the same reasons Group Primal Essence isn't researchable. Pretty lame they aren't researchable.

[Unnone]

Illusion vah shir dropper is on the first floor, I believe, in an unkeyed area.

[Moraganth]

Vah Shir is in the small room just past the room with the pillars... the one that has the secret door that leads to Rhag Zhezum... not keyed

[Lupoman]

who cares about illusion val shir, make it its own topic, Primal avatar is the subject

[Moraganth]

ok, keep up to date.. we determined middle of last page that no one cares about prim.... er.. that primal was removed.

NOW, we're trying to figure out why.... looks like it was a no drop spell, from a keyed area.. which then got the question asked.. are there other spells like that around. If the answer is yes, and we can still research them.. then maybe someone can ask Sony "What's Up with Primal?"

If there are other spells like that, and those also have been removed.. then.. well.. we have a good idea of the pattern their using to exclude spells.

It's all much more scientific than beating epileptics because they're possessed by deamons.. that's so.. 19th century.

[CaM3Lt0Sis]

*SIGH* it doesn't ONLY drop in sleeper's =p

research ur info before u spout crap

[Shabura]

I'd be *very* interested to see where else you think Spell: Primal Avatar drops, other than Sleeper's Tomb. It doesn't drop off Kunark dragons, Emperor Chottal, guardian wurms, etc., as that is Spell: Avatar. It doesn't drop in VT/Vulak/Seru, as that is Ancient: Feral Avatar. Its not the result of a rune turnin, as that is Spell: Ferine Avatar. As far as anyone that I have ever spoken to can conclude, including the consensus of the major active shaman board, Spell: Primal Avatar drops only off the non-Ancient named in Sleeper's Tomb/Kerafym's Lair (to wit, Progenitor, Final Arbitor, etc.).

To answer others' questions, this scroll is unique. It is the only NO DROP tagged scroll in game, other than those from "sets" of spells which are no drop for all classes (LoY quest spells, PoP vendor spells, Ancients). Back in the late-Velious/early-Luclin era, a lot of complaints were raised about this inequity. It was explained that this scroll was added to Sleeper's Tomb after the initial launch of the zone, in order to appease shaman who felt that the Primal weapons were eliminating their need for the Avatar spell. Its success at accomplishing this goal is debatable. Regardless, becuase it was intended only for shaman who would be taking part in Sleeper's Tomb, it is not droppable ... and, although now woefully outdated, is likely to remain so.

Also, in response to another post, the reason why Primal Avatar is not researchable is not the same reason why Group Primal Essence is not researchable. GPE is not researchable because the spell does not exist in scroll form in game. GPE exists only as the right click effect on the Primal Cudgel (which, despite the name, is NOT from Sleeper's Tomb).

[Qaladar Bragollach]

All quested spells are no drop as far as I know.

Dragon Bane, Giant Bane, Concussion being examples of wizard spells that are non-researchable and no drop off the top of my head.

[Moraganth]

Kunark quest spells are droppable... well, at least the chanter one is.

[Zacatac]

/hijack

Illusion Vah'shir IS tradeable. I bought one.

Primal Avatar is no-drop, and therefore it would be pretty silly to have a mage research it.

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