Hero Sandwiches

[Desideratum]

Ok, I am having hard time deciding what is a "reasonable" price for Hero Sandwiches. I have never seen any for sale in bazaar, and therefore have no basis for my price. Hero Parts, however, sell anywhere from 10-100pp. I saw someone mention on another post they sell for 70-100 per sandwich? I had been selling them for 30pp but I think I was taking a significant loss there. I upped my price to 75pp. Is that reasonable?

As a consumer, I would have a hard time spending that much on them. However, I saw someone plop down 1800 for 18 Qeynos Afternoon Tea I had... so I dunno :(

Venerable Desideratum Shadowdancer
63rd High Priest <Farstorm>
250 GM Baker w/ Spoon

[lonewylfe]

I usually see them for 100-150pp on RN, when they last that long...
I've heard the parts are really rare, and when they're up they are usually the same price as the sandwich...
I think 75pp is reasonable, I'd buy them for that.

edit: bunch up at 175pp on RN atm.

[Noni DeeCups]

When I sell them, I do so for 100p each.

Takes too many meats to make 2 sandwiches. I still fail a few with a skill of 250 and trophy. This food is not required in anyway. The ingredients aren't store bought and don't drop in some easy zone at an insane rate. Same thing and same price goes for Justice Fruit Pies. Yes, they do sell.

You want it? Buy it. Too expensive? Don't buy it. You want to twink your newbie toon and can afford it? Good for you, good for me.

[Nairn Niteraven]

Forgive me for being dense, but I can't find the recipe for Hero sandwiches. Where is it? I looked on this site in the recipes and didn't find it, how am I missing it?

[Garulf]

http://www.eqtraders.com/secrets/recipes_PoP_baking.htm

[andorf]

TP has the pies for 50ish and the hero sandwithces for 75-150pp.

[javalin]

well i guess i am lucky i hunt solo or group in HoH i get all my own peices usually 200 a week i sell my pies for 25 pp each cant keep em in stock and since i am a druid thats almost 100% profit for me

[Noni DeeCups]

First clue they are too cheap is "Can't keep them in stock"

200 a week is not very many at all. With zero fails on subcombines and final product ( which never happens ) it takes a minimum of 40 Hero parts per 40 Sandwiches. The amount of foraged veggie's need... whatever. To me - not worth the time / reward to sell them so cheap. Besides, I also eat them and pass them out to my guild so I am lucky if I have any left to sell anyway :twisted:

[Gryfalia]

Price on Druzzil Ro is usually around 75PP, which is reasonable.

But hero parts are not rare. Indeed, I would say they are, at worst, an uncommon drop in HoH. Probably around 1 in 5 or even 1 in 4. I wa sin a group with someone else collecting them and we both had over a stack by the time we were done.

And, of course, I ended up eventually eating all the sandwiches..sigh.

Gryfalia

[Jaya]

I see hero parts in bazaar between 30 and 100pp. I am willing to buy for up to 40pp, four hero parts -> 2 combines -> 4 sandwiches, plus vegetable gathering (annoying when you can't forage), plus time, minus the fact that I would do it anyway to get skill...

I think somewhere in the 50-75 range is probably correct, maybe higher depending on if the real price for hero parts is above 50.

- Jaya

[Cigarskunk]

I was able to sell a few for 90 each after a couple of evenings on Xev but I really would like to see the price for the parts drop down to 5-10 each so we can sell them for, say, 15-30 each - then I think they could be a brisk selling item (although that would put just about every other food out there out of business once word got around - sigh - lose/lose).

[Noni DeeCups]

Just wondering why you would like to see such a low price? I hope your only reason isn't so you can buy the meat cheaper! Try leveling and getting flagged for HoH and see how you feel then mmmkay?

Picnics, Halas Pies - all food really have already become a trinket food that any level 15 character can buy but should they really? No. It has become twink food and it is a shame.

Anyone else remember dragon steaks and how only the level 60's consumed them? How what you were eating had a little status attached to it? /sigh

[Cyrnan]

Mmmmm...Status food (Not Stat food) -

...Like Escargot (which farmers ate when they discovered they were tasty after accidentally chomping on one in their greens, and word spread, sand they became "kingly")

...and Caviar (which fishermen ate until the Tsars and Shahs found out how good it was, and added an "exotic" flair to stale bread)

---And Champagne (which started as an accident on the vintner's part of leaving a small amount of active yeast in the final bottlings)

Wheee! for status ;)

[Quesci]

I sell for 45pp on Quellious. It was 50 until someone decided to try to undercut and we beat him up and the price somehow re-stabilized at 45.

I can't go to HoH (stupid Block of Perillium) but I have legions of people bringing me meat. My standing deal is they provice the meat, I provide the expertise and the ingredients, and we split the sandwiches. The standard result is 1/3 meats lost to failures at the various stages and we split the other 2/3. This is such a reliable figure that I have started to essentially "buy" three meats for one sandwich--that is, I give my suppliers their sandwiches as soon as they bring in the meats.

At that rate, the meats cost me 15pp each.

[Linea]

went ahead and tossed up two stacks of sammiches. had em priced for 100 each and figured i could drop it in a couple days if they didnt sell. got a tell a few hours later asking me to sell for 50.. we ended up coming to the conclusion: i sold him 2 stack for 2500. :shock: hoh im coming back to ya baby!

[EnfinitiStarr8]

Well, as a 52 Ranger I LOVE this food more then MTP and was happy to pay 90-100pp per sandwich. I think that is a fair price to pay for how rare, hard and how much work it takes to make. I can make them last very long with eating foraged food but I am down to two from forgetting to eat on raids and stuff and have yet to see any for sale again on ARo in a while. But if I saw them for less then 75pp then I would get a few fast.

[Kirianna]

These started out selling for around 75p on Bristlebane. Someone dropped the price to 50 though. (grrrr) I put mine at 65 yesterday being the only one selling them. I had 2.5 stacks and they sold within a few hours. *blink*

[Hobbun]

But hero parts are not rare. Indeed, I would say they are, at worst, an uncommon drop in HoH. Probably around 1 in 5 or even 1 in 4. I wa sin a group with someone else collecting them and we both had over a stack by the time we were done.



Gryfalia

Yes, 1 out of every 4 or 5 is not bad. But when you need 4 parts per sandwich, that translates into a lot of farming. Brownie parts for example, need to be farmed too. But for one, one brownie part gives 100 combines worth of MTP's. Much higher yield. And you are also able to get them off Nillipus every now and then in Rivervale. Now I'm not saying the subcombines for hero sandwiches need to have that kind of a yield, but an uncommon drop and 4 are needed for each combine?

On top of that, hero parts have to be farmed in 60+ zone and if you want to buy them in the bazaar, they sell for as much as the sandwich does...EACH.

So yes, 1 drop out of 4 or 5 sounds good, but for how many you need, it really isn't that good.



Hobbun

[Lilosh]

So yes, 1 drop out of 4 or 5 sounds good, but for how many you need, it really isn't that good.


For the best food in the game, I would expect nothing less.
With MAYBE one or two exceptions....

For casters, a Hero Sammich is better then anything. I love the added 5 STR over MTPs... And More mana or HP, I forget which.

But for Melees, I still think it's in the Top 3 foods. Maybe even the best.

So of course it will take alot of work to make.

-Lilosh

[Hobbun]

So yes, 1 drop out of 4 or 5 sounds good, but for how many you need, it really isn't that good.


For the best food in the game, I would expect nothing less.
With MAYBE one or two exceptions....

For casters, a Hero Sammich is better then anything. I love the added 5 STR over MTPs... And More mana or HP, I forget which.

But for Melees, I still think it's in the Top 3 foods. Maybe even the best.

So of course it will take alot of work to make.

-Lilosh

I understand your point, Lilosh. It IS a great sandwich to make enough for yourself or maybe some close friends of yours. Will probably take my hand at making them myself, eventually. But to actually sell them in the bazaar, I just feel the time in making them is greater than the return. You will spend hours on end collecting enough parts for a stack or two of hero sandwiches. For skilling up on an item I can see spending the hours and hours just for a stack, we all have done it. But for an item you want to actually sell on a regular basis or somewhat regular basis, this I cannot see.


Hobbun

[Noni DeeCups]

That is exactly why on the rare occasion I have had them for sale, I set the price so high. It has nothing to do with making as much money as I can pfft ~ I don't need the money :D I almost hope I don't sell them in a warped kind of way.

They make great food for myself and my friends. The meat takes too long to get - I spend most of my EQ time raiding not farming meat. 80% of the meat that I do get is guildies in exchange for sandwiches.

[Ariene]

You will spend hours on end collecting enough parts for a stack or two of hero sandwiches. For skilling up on an item I can see spending the hours and hours just for a stack, we all have done it. But for an item you want to actually sell on a regular basis or somewhat regular basis, this I cannot see.

The difference is that the mobs that drop this are also good xp mobs. So you are not farming parts you are xping and collecting the meat as you do a normal xp group. I've vendor farmed for them but when I get them as drops I'm in a group getting really good xp so there is no "wasted" time involved.

[Hobbun]

The difference is that the mobs that drop this are also good xp mobs. So you are not farming parts you are xping and collecting the meat as you do a normal xp group. I've vendor farmed for them but when I get them as drops I'm in a group getting really good xp so there is no "wasted" time involved.

Yes, that is a good point. I had not thought of that one. But you are still not going to get enough hero parts to sell these sandwiches on a somewhat regular basis. I think Noni's idea is the best, when your guildies or friends can get you parts, you can make sandwiches for them. But as for collecting the parts and selling the sandwiches religiously in the bazaar is another thing.

Actually, I can't wait to get high enough level to go to HoH, then I will keep myself and stocked with sandwiches when I can. Because statwise, they ARE the best food. :)


Hobbun

[Linea]

within a week or two of duoing in HoH, i had 12 stacks of hero parts, which ended up making ~9ish stacks of sammiches, thats with trophy btw, i also have gotten at least 20aa in that time

[Faymar]

12 stacks???

*turns green with envy*

[Indubita]

My question is at what skill level should I attempt to make these? My baking is at 238 atm, baking MTP's and Blood Raven Stew for now. Most of the food I bake goes to my guildies but I have been selling some of the MTP's for baking money!

[Indubita]

I'm making these now and selling for a profit! :D
Supplies are always available on my server so it's easier to make these than MTP's. And my guildie's love them!!! :D They're happy, I'm happy, and my buyer's are happy. :D

I do see several players trying to auction these for 200+ plat but not having any success.

Has anyone figured what it does cost to make these yet? :)

[emma]

b4 i am high enough to baking my own hero sandwiches, i'll do the smoked and spiced parts. but problem is i didnt found how to make "spiced hero parts" ! can someone help me pls ? :-)

[Brodybeard]

b4 i am high enough to baking my own hero sandwiches, i'll do the smoked and spiced parts. but problem is i didnt found how to make "spiced hero parts" ! can someone help me pls ? :-)

The PoP recipe links have been moved down on the Recipes link page:

http://www.eqtraders.com/recipes.htm

smoked hero parts = hero parts + spices + smoker in oven
trivial at 162, not edible, yield 2, wt 0.2, tiny, all/all

smoker is made by a smith or potter

spiced hero parts = hero parts + jug of sauces + vinegar + spices in oven
trivial at 162, yield 2, wt 0.2, tiny, all/all

Unless otherwise specified, these recipes require either the stationary ovens found ONLY in Plane of Knowledge or the tinker-made collapsed spit.

[emma]

much thx for the fast answer :-)

[Verucali]

I've had Hero Sandwiches on Drinal for about a week now. Up until then, I'd only seen them for sale on our server once (and have been diligently keeping myself from eating that sandwich for about four months now), but a couple other sellers got a few up around the same time. At 100 (which the other sellers are matching, after I arbitraged several sandwiches up to that amount) I sell a few to a stack a day, which is fine since the only source of hero parts are have is buying them in the Bazaar, and those are few and far between. Gouging up to 125 pretty much completely stagnated sales; I think there's a psychological effect here and I might sell just as many at 150 or 200 as 125 - all those prices are perhaps just "more than 100".

I picked up a couple bloody tormentor parts and was lucky enough to succeed on both the combines. Initial pricing that I just put up tonight is 800pp for each Tormentor Stir Fry (this is another food that I've seen for sale a grand total of once on our server). Am I crazy? I guess time will tell... given what I paid for the tormentor parts it'd be nice to sell a couple!

[Bennan]

I have now, through the Bazaar, gathered 2 serious runs of Hero Parts. Both times making around 60 sandwiches. And selling these for 100pp each. They all sold within a 24 hour timeframe.

I played around with a few small sample batches, selling them at 60, 70, and 80. All sold fairly quick, hence I went for 100pp.

From the Bazaar, I pay up to 50pp for each Hero part, no more as with a price of 100pp its a good profit, over 50pp per part and it cuts quite heavily into my profit margin.

At 249 Baking skill, I normally only experience a 5% failure rate....

On Tarrew Marr I have not seen anyone else selling them, bar the very odd person with maybe 1 or 2 for sale around the 50pp mark. But, I have a feeling these move quite quickly, so I believe other traders could have sold out the stock beforehand.

[Frabbens]

I tried making hero sandwiches one day when I found two stacks of parts on a vendor. I hadn't seen any sandwiches up, so I tried pricing them at 70pp, to feel the market out a bit. They were gone within the hour.

Hero parts don't make it to the bazaar very often, but I finally saw a decent pile of parts at 25pp each. Considering that at 250 plus trophy these have a ~70% sandwiches/parts ratio, I'll pay that price any day of the week. We'll see how sandwiches sell at 100pp. :)

[Serenya]

Hero Sandwiches were consistently priced (and sold well) at 125 on the Tribunal. The day the Party Platter recipe hit eqtraders I upped my price to 150 as an experiment. I was immediately matched by all other sellers, and I've continued to sell at that price, albeit not as fast. First time I've seen the price of a tradeskill move UP in concert though, so interesting :twisted:

[pennyrose]

Hmmm...guess I am overpriced, but my sandwiches have sold on The Tribunal rather quickly.

After experimenting with slightly lower prices, I wound up with them at 175 and that did not seem to slow sales. Understand that I never have had large quantities since I'm not doing PoP zones yet, but back early on when you could get hero parts for 30pp and under, I bought all I could find in Bazaar at that price or less. Unfortunately, it has been several weeks since I've seen hero parts for less than 100pp now and that certainly makes the sandwiches a losing proposition.

I also bought lots of justice fruit at 30pp and less, sometimes as low as 10, and sold pies for 50 to 75 each. Now, though, the fruits sell for 50 and the pies sell for 20, so needless to say I haven't made any lately.

By the way, I started doing both of these recipes at somewhere around 180. I didn't get a lot of success, but the prices enabled me to keep going and use them for skilling up.

I think I just have to resign myself to never making the Platter. Even though my main is a L56 Druid, I don't enjoy large groups or raids and have no real interest in changing my way of life in EQ. I expect to start doing planar stuff a little now, but as always will look for places to solo or partner or do with a small group of not-necessarily-uber guildies.

Pennyrose on behalf of Runival, the Cook

[Hibashira]

Hero parts are not that uncommon. I get 1 out of every 2 or 3 valorian guardians. I regularly come out with a stack just going into HoH for an hour or so.

[Serenya]

Pennyrose, I never saw yours at 175 or I would have started there, I matched what I saw out there. I've been pricing Justice pies at 50 I think, and they DO still sell, but slowly (which is fine, since my Ranger wants them and she does the foraging :P). I'm never the low seller, I just outlast those who are /laugh I'll never make the party platter myself, since even if I ever saw the Slarghilug parts or Rerugag (unlikely) my baker is, umm, 11.

[Troodon]

Slarg parts aren't especially rare, hehe. It's just nobody likes to camp them. I was in a dock group and realized bascially why. At 54 they conned blue to me but after finally convincing the group to let me pull one I found it was more difficult than the tar'dak hunter and the wraiths on the dockside, that conned between white and red. Not by much, and actually was not too painful a fight by any means, but they're still more effort for the amount of xp they give than most of the other camps in PoN, hence are not a popular camp. This is why their parts are rarely seen on the market.

That combined with the fact that peppers are a semi-rare forage in a zone you can't fight in, hehe, why poppers are rarely sold.

I'm stockpiling all the peppers I get froaging or vendor mining for the day I can convince a group to hunt these. Likely only bakers will want to do so, because fighting the slargs simply is not an efficient way to get xp, if that's your primary aim.

Ironically, after fighting with the group to let me try ot pull one, the one I pulled dropped an ethereal parchment. Only piece of loot we saw, hehe. Didn't even get junk loot from the croc and wraiths, except for the occasional wraith stinger nobody seemed to want.