Another Craptastic run in tailoring...

[Veldin Darkfire]

few weeks ago it was about 65 combines and 0 skillups. This was mostly wyvern and some flawless.

today it was 16 wyvern, 10 flawless 0 skillups.

Int at 255 dex at about 170 or so. KEI and Geerlock

So much for the vaunted "tailoring is now easier" patch. Skilling past 190 blows.

Veldin

[Pootle]

Whats your skill at?????

[Handor]

Hang in there.

From 190 to 205-210 is pure agony (or was for me) -- burning through 200 plus wyvern hides for one skillup is enough to make you cry. But eventually you get to 205-210 and somewhere in there the skillups start to get easier again.

Once you get past that hump tailoring becomes more fun again. There are enough different options now for tailoring post 200 (velious hides, luclin flawless hoppers, solstice robes, POP Nightmare if you can farm the mephits) that it isn't quite as painful to collect components. Still painful -- just not as much. ;)

[Raines]

Remember that the Geerlock doesn't help in skill ups, just in actual making of the items.

[Liwsa]

Last night run 93 combines starting skill 191

1 Haze panther tunic fail
5 Black panther tunics 1 success
30 artic wyvern masks 3 successes
40 otter caps 20 successes
17 cobalt drake belts 1 success

5 skill-ups 196 ending skill

Was a good night 5 skillups and dinged level 58. :D

Liwsa 196 apprentice tailor
Terris-Thule

[Mahlig]

Remember that the Geerlock doesn't help in skill ups, just in actual making of the items.

I have actually petitioned and spoken to a GM about this. The GM stated that you are more likely to get a skillup on a successful combine than an unsuccessful one. So, indirectly, it does affect your skill ups, no?

Master Uban
61 Sorcerer

[Craftah]

Indirectly yes, the geerlock can help. I would go after 255 INT/WIS first, and then if you can, add the geerlock.

I almost hate to say this, but I have noticed that Tailoring skillups are coming faster now.

With 255 INT I got 9 skillups (162 to 171) with 33 combines of studded rockhopper masks (with a Tunic and cloak attempt, both successful, thrown in).

[Jhavon]

I do runs of ~6-10 stacks of Arctic Masks and since 185 or so (when I started doing Arctic for my skill ups instead of robes) I gain a point of skill ~22 combines. This was with 255wis and a dex < 100, only recently added enough wis to add the geerlock into the mix, and no noticble change in skill ups.

[Beechwoodgrey]

I did a run of 136 wyvern mask atempts today, started at 197 ended at 203, this was 255 wis no geerlock.

BWG
jewelcraft 250, tailoring 203, baking 200, brewing 200, fletching 200, smithing 200, pottery 200, fishing 200

[Efil]

I am currently on a real dry spell I have done about 120 total combine and have not gotten one skill up. It all started when I made my Tailoring Trophy. I have a skill of 223 and when I attempt tailoring I have 270 str 270 dex and 256 wis.

Efil
MM

[Veldin Darkfire]

Another run today this time small.

skill 190
int 255+
dex 170ish
geerlock

16 wyvern = 0 skillups

getting real old real fast :)

Veldin

[Moraganth]

I have to think i see a difference. I've done from 194-209 since the change.. 16 skillups, in 303 combines (1 per 19 attempts). Of those, i had 2 "hell levels" of 60 and 65... certainly a difference than prior to this change. Now instead of looking for those skillups after 25 combines, i start looking for them after 15.... i'd say that's a decent change.

[Cylestria]

I just want to get past 197. I'm stuck. :( 4 points away from safety.... :\

[Veldin Darkfire]

I'd like to belive that skillups are easier but so far with this crappy streak I can't belive that they have been changed at all and that its just verant making us want to think they changed the skill up chances.

Soon I will be doing a large run of solstic robes and we will see if this craptastic streak continues. Should be about 60 robe attempts.

Veldin

[AnnaaDruid]

Veldin, before the changes they made to tailoring, I had several 300+ combines with no skillups. Happened to me 3 times I believe, and ALL my skillups between 190 to 205 took at least 100 attempts.

[Mamine]

God this is so depressing! I don't know if its better or worse reading that everyone else is having the same problems :cry:

PS: WIS 255, INT 152, Tailoring 191, Geerlok

[Psychosis]

Ya know I keep reading about maxing INT or WIS to get better and what not on Trade Skills.

But ya know somthing. Try getting a Beastlord to 255 anything is damm near impossible unless you have a guild that can help you get the items from places like WW ToV HoT Sleppers ect... My guild cant do those places at all. For them to try would be folly. So what is one to do when you dont have much pp 2k is as high as I ever have gotten there. Or a guild that can help you get the items for high stats?

[Wyrdlan]

Well if you can't come up with plat, tailoring just isn't for you.


That said, here is a profile I made as an example that assumes you didn't put ANY points into wisdom, (Vah Shir Base wisdom: 80 ). All the items are either in the 2k or less range, is what you are already wearing, or could be easily gotten by you.

Test Beastlord (http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=485027)

Remember to add 10 WIS for Qeynos Tea and Misty Thicket Picnics and 25 for Kodiaks, bringing you to 240 from base 80 with basic non-uber gear. It may not be 255 but it beats the heck out of the 148 you are working with currently.

[Marieanna]

I wouldn't recommend tailoring without max INT. Just buy a kei! More INT = more success. I know that opinion varies on DEX, but to me I just seem to have more successes when I'm buffed up. :D

[Valorale]

Ya know I keep reading about maxing INT or WIS to get better and what not on Trade Skills.

But ya know somthing. Try getting a Beastlord to 255 anything is damm near impossible unless you have a guild that can help you get the items from places like WW ToV HoT Sleppers ect... My guild cant do those places at all. For them to try would be folly. So what is one to do when you dont have much pp 2k is as high as I ever have gotten there. Or a guild that can help you get the items for high stats?

You dont do tailoring thats what you do. Not until you have the money to afford the heavy losses and the gear needed to minimize those losses.
Any way you cut it, it is one of, if not the most expensive (Except maybe smithing) both in plat and time consumption out there.

[Moraganth]

I really, firmly, believe that the PotC recipies are set to have a lower chance for skillups. My worst runs contain batches of robes, and i see virutally no one saying they got a lot of skillups off them, assuming they did more than a few and got lucky. We saw with the velium hound padding how different things can skillup at different rates.

[Mamine]

Marieanna says:

I wouldn't recommend tailoring without max INT. Just buy a kei! More INT = more success. I know that opinion varies on DEX, but to me I just seem to have more successes when I'm buffed up

Being a druid, WIS is my main stat ... I also try to get INT as high as poss. There seems to be an ongoing debate about whether INT actually helps with Tradeskills if WIS is the main ... can anyone confirm whether this is true or not :?: Also does Dexterity help or not when Tailoring :?:

Mamine

[Liwsa]

It has been stated by verent(sony now) that which ever is higher Int/Wis is what will be used to determine your skill-ups.

Liwsa 201 apprentice tailor
Terris-Thule

[Jannelle Silverthorne]

It has been stated by verent(sony now) that which ever is higher Int/Wis is what will be used to determine your skill-ups.

True. But there have been many times that VI has stated something and we've found out that it doesn't work the way they've stated. It's a complex game and not everyone at VI can know everything about every piece of it. Us as gamers focus on our little piece of the game and quite often know more about it than the developers do as they don't have the luxury of focusing to the extent we do.


I really, firmly, believe that the PotC recipies are set to have a lower chance for skillups. My worst runs contain batches of robes, and i see virutally no one saying they got a lot of skillups off them, assuming they did more than a few and got lucky.

http://mboards.eqtraders.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=94&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

If you're not seeing people getting skill ups off PoTC combines, it's because you're not looking. Per the above thread you can see that Kirasha was running 22.676 combines per skill up from 155 to 189 on solstice robes. 771 combines for 34 skill ups.

Tailors have used Solstice robes.
Smiths have used Sickles.
Potters have used Steins and idols.
Bakers have used MTP's.

Yes, people hit hell levels with PoTC items. They also hit hell levels with Luclin or Velious recipes or even old world stuff like Fine Plate.

[Moraganth]

If you're not seeing people getting skill ups off PoTC combines, it's because you're not looking. Per the above thread you can see that Kirasha was running 22.676 combines per skill up from 155 to 189 on solstice robes. 771 combines for 34 skill ups.


Actually, i have been looking.... there have been way more posts on using potc items for skillups, and various people saying how horrible their runs were using them, for skillups. I have also noticed when i do large batches of potc robes, those points tend to require many more combines.

The point of it is.. different combines have different chances for skillups. Hound fur showed that. My opinion, from what i have personally observerd, and have seen written here is, the potc items for all of the tradeskills, are set for a lower chance to skillup. Now, it is just my opinion... but people can look at the one person doing ok with them, or the dozen that mysteriously have 300-400+ hell levels coinciding with doing potc items.

Just my opinion, but don't think that i don't pay attention... as we used to say.. stay alert, stay alive.

[Jannelle Silverthorne]

One other thing to keep in mind Moraganth. People are a lot more likely to complain about something when it's bad. I.E. They'll come complain about skill up rates with anything but are less likely to talk about how successful they were. So for every one person having a hard time with a particular item, there's most likely 3-4 people doing just fine with it.

[rjfras]

Actually in the TRADESKILL PANEL TRANSCRIPT, MAY 6, 2002 from the Seattle Fanfaire it was stated:

QUOTE

What other skills have secondary skills like Smithing?

Fletching runs off Dexterity, Jewelry runs off Dexterity, Tailoring will run off Dexterity soon. Basically that means whichever is highest of Intelligence, Wisdom or Dexterity will be the stat checked for chances to raise skill.

Dan Enright, Yakatizma, game designer for EverQuest

UNQUOTE

Anyone know if this ever came to be?

[Lilosh]

Actually in the TRADESKILL PANEL TRANSCRIPT, MAY 6, 2002 from the Seattle Fanfaire it was stated:

Anyone know if this ever came to be?


Nothing was mentioned in any patch message, and as far as the Tradeskill community has seen, only WIS and INT affect skillups.



-Lilosh

[Veldin Darkfire]

Ok another 10 wyvern masks = 0 skill ups 0 success
5 acrylia reinforced masks = 1 skill up 1 success
70 solstic robe attempts = 1 skill ups 2 successes

int: 255
dex: 170
geerlock in hand

Current Skill Level: (192)

Veldin

[Quintox]

Was 191 with 255+ Int

5 stacks (100) of Flawless Hides = 0 Skillups
2 stacks (40) of Wyvern Hides = 1 Skillup

That means I went through 15K in supplies to finally make 1 skillup, depressed, but glad I got the one point finally.

[Mamine]

Taking dex aside can anyone say whether BOTH wis and int play a part or just the one which is the highest ? i.e. I'm a WIS caster with WIS maxed out ... is there any point in buying int gear or am I sorta maxed out in tailoring aptitude anyway ?

[Chenier]

It's one or the other (wis or int) - whichever is higher. Max wis - you're good to go.

[Sealody]

Those numbers were some of the FASTEST skillups I've had in recent memory.

Started Tailoring at 199. 58 combines later... I gained 8 points!
Was unbelieveable. I wish I had more materials for attempts.

43 points left!

Sealody!

[Raiyaeq]

22 acrylia reinforced mask combines - 22 success 2 skills up
61 arctic wyvern hide mask combines - 25 success 4 skills up

No geerlok equiped with 355 wis 219 int, skill went from 220 to 226. Overall I am happy with it. All end products sold to vendors cuz I am sick of seeing them on my mule for 25pp each and no one buying them.

[Alkee]

I don't think skillups have been made easier in tailoring.
I seem to have the most problems skilling up between 220 and 230.
Over 100 combines per skillup attempt in average, with a wisdom of 252.
Now its back to months of farming again.

Cheers

[kiatek]

I dont know alkee, I just think it is rather streaky. From 190-200, I had bad results-averaging 65ish combines per skill. During the 200-210 range I had pretty good results-averaged 20-25 combines per skill point. Then from 212-215 it took me forever (aka about 100 combines per skill point). 216-217 were about 20 each. I think just keep combining and it will average out overall to be a decent skill up rate (not what we want, but not horrible overall either). keep at it and good luck :)

[Dvinn]

Tailoring is just a horror show. I have basically given up with my ranger at skill 190. The cost of velium studs and the unavailability of flawless rockhopper hides are just too much to deal with.

I skilled an alternate, a 57 human mage to 234 smithing without too much trouble or money. I just hate tailoring, I was getting a skill point every 50 attempts at velious leathers. Combine this with the fact that is costs 50pp per stud and Verant can go stuff it.

[liat]

It took me over 80 combines to get that last skill point from 249 to 250. of course there were perieds in the low 200's where it was 120-140 combines per skill up, other times you get a skill up ever 20 or so.
I'm glad I'm done with it, I would not do that again.

[Pockets FullOfGold]

Everyone seems to agree that Tailoring is the most difficult Tradeskill to attempt to GM in. That being said, if you have the patience to work on it then it might be worth your while. If you don't have alot of patience, then I suggest doing something else.

Alot of people don't like wasting time and materials for almost nothing to gain from it. Tailoring is either alot of TIME spent gathering your components, or alot of PLAT buying components. Both will still force you to have patience because you are not guaranteed any skillups when you want to increase your skill.

If you are like me and farm everything, you know what it's like to go out and kill green after green after green for the components, week after week... I love it :) Tailoring 194, 233 Flawless Rockhopper Hides just waiting for me to do a big skillup run... it's just that Acrylia keeps holding me up as well as people requesting me to make them Acrylia Studded. I seem to getting a reputation. I'm not too concerned about making big plat when someone requests the armor. Need another 10 more Superb Rockhopper hides for 10 more Armor pieces to make... which means I'll have more Flawless when I do my big run hehehe... I'll get to it some day ;)

Pockets FullOfGold

[liat]

since making 250 tailoring I have made a total of 2 items, a velium mammoth hide cloak and a cobalt belt. There is very little in the way of PoP materials to do any tailoring unless you have a guild collecting for you.