Gnomish cultural...

[Kredal]

I hope you've saved up a bunch of your tinkered armor... you're going to need it again.

Using celestial tempers, imbued gems, mino blood, and some other general vender bought stuff, you will be upgrading your tinkered armor to match (in some cases exceed) other cultural armor, complete with the original tinkered armor effects. (:

When I get home tonight, I'll verify that the recipes that went live are the same ones that I saw on test, and post it all here and at the Tinkering Compendium.

I have to say, I'm very impressed with Frizznik's work on this, and I'm sure you all will be to.

Dark Blue is the new gnome war/pal/sk/cleric/rogue color. (:

[Ilona]

Darn, and I just used up loads of holgresh fur making a fur cloak coz they were taking up too much room!

I love dark blue though, and I think it's great there's cultural chain too!

/cheer

[Goresmash]

Anything for us Caster Tinkers?

[Lilosh]

Anything for us Caster Tinkers?

*crosses fingers*

I have heard conflicting reports.. Some say they have heard of cloth armor, other of just plate and chain.

Smalltim, my enchanter, is waiting breathlessly.


-Lilosh

[Xlitik Chromazone]

Recipes in the book Advanced Tinkering Armor Manual; which is sold by Zeneral Ottonoggir near the ramp to the bank. Loc is 1304 by -723.

Hers is what it list;
Clockwork Shadow walker Armor(Rouge)-

Clockwork Watchman Armor
Imbued Gear
Metallic Temper
Imbued Ruby or Black Sapphire
Small Chainmail Pattern

A) Metallic Temper- Minotaur Blood+Firewater+Gnomish Spirits
B) Imbued Gear- Gear + Celestial Temper

Clockwork Observer armor-

Same as Shadowwalker Armor except it uses Small Plate Mold

Armor uses varying amounts of gears-

Coif- 2 gears
Tunic- 3 gears
Sleaves- 3 gears
Bracelet- 2 gears
Pants- 3 gears
Boots- 1 gear

Not sure on the Imbued gems yet :)

I Know this is still sketchy but it is a start

Xlitik Chromazone - 49th Gnome Warrior- 220 GM Tinker

deited this post, was so excited I listed Celestial temper as Celestial essence, sorry for any confusion :)

[Kredal]

OK, then it's exactly what I saw... imbued gems are made by any cleric follower of Brell or Bertox above lvl 29 (or is it 25?) Bristlebane gems (peridots) were kept out because they were cheaper than either rubies or black sapphires, and because two recipes is enough for one finished item. (:

Nothing for int casters, I'm afraid. ):

[Vistol Wigglesnout]

OK, then it's exactly what I saw... imbued gems are made by any cleric follower of Brell or Bertox above lvl 29 (or is it 25?) Bristlebane gems (peridots) were kept out because they were cheaper than either rubies or black sapphires, and because two recipes is enough for one finished item. (:

Nothing for int casters, I'm afraid. ):

Yo Kredal ;)

So... it meets or exceeds other cultural armors? Man am I glad the weekend is coming up!

I'm so happy, I wish that I wasn't at work!! I can go home and start upgrading my cultural amors...

Anyone know what the difficulty is to upgrade this stuff? Is it no fail or high skill check?

I can't wait!! :D :D

[Goresmash]

Nothing for int casters, I'm afraid. ):

Bah, now if Dark Elves can make chain armours that casters can wear I would think that gnomes, being superior in both looks and intellect would be able to make caster wearable chain armours. :(

Oh well, I suppose at least its something I can use to upgrade my cleric alt.


/disappointed

[Wandor]

Nothing for int casters, I'm afraid. ):

Bleh. Time for gnome casters to unite! Tinkered robes and pointy hats!

[hraveob]

Both High elf and Dark elf casters can wear their respective cultural chain armors. What a bunch of crap if they opress we(e) (pun intended) short folk by dissalowing the same thing.

Hraveob

[Lilosh]

Agreed!!!!

Tinkered robes and pointy hats!!!!!!


-Lilosh

[Heartsong_Steelsoul]

Except for the fact that adamantite and mithril are reknowned for their lightness, thus the fact that casters can wear the chain.

[Kredal]

Yes.. take a look at the imbued underfoot armor. Now add int to it (because SKs use int)... and add the effect on the original piece (str, sow, invis, summon wrench....) and paint it dark blue.. and there's the new armor. (:

It trivs at about the same as the smithed high end cultural.

It's rechargable with a class 5 battery

And.... it's the reason the trivs on clockwork armor were lowered. See? They really do know what they're doing. hehe

[Goresmash]

Except for the fact that adamantite and mithril are reknowned for their lightness, thus the fact that casters can wear the chain.

Granted that those metals are light weight, but I think with a proper application of pistons, gears, support rods, and other tinkering bit the weight is not a problem. ;)

[Yalum]

No peridot imbues? As if bd chain didn't suck enough already, this is only for the two Brell and one Bertox rogue per server? :(

[Voca]

No peridot imbues? Are there at least non imbued versions then Kredal?

Otherwise that seems terribly unfair.

Oh, and /comfort gnome casters.

Voca

[Vistol Wigglesnout]

Most excellent. I'll have to take a couple stabs at my trophy and then try to make a few pieces tonight..

Hey kredal, got any extra boots you wanna sell? I don't want to waste mine :D

[Railina]

Both High elf and Dark elf casters can wear their respective cultural chain armors. What a bunch of crap if they opress we(e) (pun intended) short folk by dissalowing the same thing.
YAY SOE! You've made a step in the right direction by giving plate/chain gnomes something to wear that's worth the time it takes to skillup tinkering, but you've taken 2 steps back by leaving out all bristlebane rogues and yet another race's int casters. /wave Humans /wave Iksar

[Naito]

The imbued gems are optional, right? RIGHT??? :)


And I bet it's Celestial Temper, not Essence... :) If Essence, it's so very much cheaper than comparable recipes....


Naito
swiss army bard of Xev

[Kredal]

The new armor is *NOT* diety restricted. All plate/chain gnomes can wear it, nomated what diety (or even agnostic) they worship. The requirement for an imbued gem is just there so that you have to find someone who can imbue it, and buy the gem (see also: cash sink)

The restrictions look like this for the plate:

Class: WAR PAL SHD CLR
Race: GNM

For the chain, it looks like this:

Class: WAR PAL SHD CLR ROG
Race: GNM

No diety restriction at all. (: This is why I think it's better than other cultural. In most cases, if you don't worship a diety, you lose out on the int or wis stats from the imbued versions. In the gnome case, you still get int AND wis. This is a Good Thing(tm)

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In related news....

I'll see if I can't sweet-talk Frizznik to let casters wear the chain. (: Can't promise anything, but I can ask. I'm also seeing if I can maybe persuade him to allow the GVD to be returned on failures for the BP. Failing that, maybe we could get the haze panther eye back? Just suggestions, but it can't hurt to ask.


*edit* to answer the post right above this...

The imbued gem is not optional. You have to find a cleric that worships Brell or Bertox. Really, can't be harder than finding a chanter to enchant brellium/adamantite/whatever.

Yes, it's celestial temper... the one made with crushed blue diamonds. Doh!

[Niami DenMother]

Thanks for the info, folks!

The site's been updated and I'm massively pouting. There's SO much here that I want to play with using my little tinker, but if I stop to farm the needed parts, etc., etc., I'm never going to get this durn database done. So, I'll wander through to grab stats and such as folks find 'em, but will try to be ignoring the seductive lure of tinkering calling "make me ... maaaaake me". Of course, it'll be easier for me to resist since my little gnome won't be able to wear them. ;)

[Axterix EnObelix]

Ah, but what better time than now to replace that halfling with a gnome that can wear it? *grins evilly*

Gotta make 3 suits myself, having a gnome cleric, warrior, and rogue. So my chanter is gonna be farmin'! And if it gets changed so I can wear the chain...*drool*...but I'll need another suit then, hehe. Or maybe more than that. Rar for having a lotta gnome characters. Course, the chain probably lacks cha and int, least judging from the hat. But hp is good.

[Yalum]

I don't think they'll let casters where the chain, there's a pretty big difference between real bd chain and the elven bd silk-with-a-chain-texture (and it annoys dark elf rogues, they have no cultural option). It's also a shame this is visible slots only.

But Yay to the nonimbuedness! :D

[Niami DenMother]

As always, Kredal, feel more than free to snag stats and such from my recipes page - I've been sitting in the tinkering channel and grabbing info as it's linked in-channel, and it'd be good to have it on both sites. ;)

~Mum

[Kredal]

I have a full suit of each on test.fizzwizz. (: Tee hee.

Thanks for the offer though! (:

btw, the cast times are still messed up. Frizznik lowered the cast times on the effects last night, guess they didn't make it to live in the patch... they *should* be the same as the clockwork watchman armor pieces.

[Gorlgo]

Hi, where do i get the Minotaur blood from? Steamfont?

[Lilosh]

I would be interested to see the breakdown of Gnomish players.


I would wager that a LARGE majority are int casters.
More then a few rogues and shadowknights.
Then some clerics and warriors.
Does anyone play a paladin?


-Lilosh

[Doc Dolittle]

Well I am a 59 lvl Cleric and my Girlfriend is a 60 lvl warrior, will be fun to see the armour stats.

[Labios]

I know this isn't much narrower, but infused gears were trivial at 247.

[Gneeker]

Stupid question time.

Is the new Gnomish armor tinkered or smithed?

[Lilosh]

Smithed, me believes, using tinkered components.

There has always been an Ak'anon cultural forge. Up until now, it was useless.


-Lilosh

[Gneeker]

That's what I thought, but I want to know for sure, from somebody who has made it please?

[Pwent]

The infused gears are trivial at 215 tinkering.

[Pwent]

Also, all of these items are tinkered, none of them are smithed.

[Kredal]

Frizznik has said at least a couple times in the tinkering channel and to me personally, int casters should wait until LoY... Have a feeling they're going to be the life of the party then. (:

[Vistol Wigglesnout]

Yep, tinkering for everything. Man this stuff takes a while to make ;)

Anywho, here's how my night went last night:

I ended up making my spanner (YAY!!) finally, then went to take a nap to have lots of time to try this stuff.

Boy, was it worth the nap.

After spending 2 hours gathering 11 minotuar bloods (ick!!), and making celestial temper (please shoot me :)) and finding someone to imbue rubies, I did my first attempt at clockwork observer greaves..

At 221 skill, 180 int and my spanner... made them on my first try!

I was so stoked.. so I tried some gloves.. failed :(

So, I went out to wakening to gather some sifaye dust and other parts, ended up spending 2 hours to get 2 sifaye dust, 1 faun hoof, and 1 holgresh wing! :)

I ended up going back to Shadowhaven for a friend, and ended up making another pair of greaves for her, and a pair of gloves! This stuff is so sweet.. I wish that some of my armor wasn't better :(

So, tonight I'll be attempting some clockwork observer helms and boots. I'm tempted to just wear a full suit of this stuff for the uberness of it ;)

I have a few GVDs sitting around, so I might try to brute force a breastplate too with the luck that I've been having so far.

Frizz really impressed me with this. It's really renewed my hope for uniqueness again!

I'm also really happy for the rogues, they now have access to clicky clockwork armor too. The stats for it are pretty sweet too, not to mention the 30 dex buff on the boots ;) I'm thinking that I'll have to make a lot of these, as they might be quite popular.

Now, time to go buy a buttload of blue diamonds!! :(

I know what I'll be doing this weekend! ;)

[Laearya Lifeblood]

I could not imagine if this was smithed...would any sane tinkerer want 250 tinkering and smithing? :D :D :D

I've had quite a few requests in regards to this armor even though I've retired from the game entirely now. Enough so, that I think I'll come back for a bit until my prepayment on my account lapses, so that I can make some :)

[Zamkin the Mage]

This seems to be known but I haven't found it posted:

Clockwork Observer armor is recommended level 45 and the effects are NOT usable at level 20 (the old Clockwork Watchman armor effects were). Was this intended? (i.e. We improve the armor, but also alter it so it can't be used for 25 more levels?)

[Xlitik Chromazone]

Hey guys and girls :)

Just made attepmts at the Clockwork Observer Breastplate, Gauntlets and Bracer. Succeded at 220 w/ tinkerin tools on the BP and Gautlets. Failed on the Bracer. I did notice that the Bracer only uses 1 Infused gear not 2 like listed recipe. Am I the only one to notice this?

Xlitik Cromazone
49th Gnome Warrior
220 GM Tinkerer

[Zallarenya]

You have to find a cleric that worships Brell or Bertox. Really, can't be harder than finding a chanter to enchant brellium/adamantite/whatever.

Actually this has been discussed in the past over in Jewelcraft a bit. It's dern near impossible to find a Bertoxxulous-worshipping cleric :) The conclusion was if you need an imbued black sapphire, you'd get one fastest if you started a cleric and leveled to 29 and bought the spell yourself, rather than looking for a cleric to imbue. A Brell-worshipper is fairly easy, though, since there are Dwarf clerics to be found and a handful of Gnome clerics worshipping Brell.

[DumpyFab]

OK it's obvious Shadowwalkers is for rogues and Observers is for Clerics/Pal/SKs...

None of this is good for gnome warriors. Anyone know if there are plans to make a new set for warriors? Perhaps with Ykesha?

Thanks,

Dumpton

[Axterix EnObelix]

I wouldn't say that none of it is good for warriors. If you're a warrior that doesn't follow Rallos, you're not going to find much better. And the effects are worthwhile (though you can always get regular clockwork for that).

As to Bertox following clerics, yah, a rarity. Zeb has at least one though...a gnome at that :D

[Angelsyn]

I have an odd point to make...

I don't play a Gnome, but I did notice something about this cultural armour.

Every other race that makes Cultural Armour have 12 pieces, yet Gnomes only have 7.

Verant really has made a disturbing trend since PoP (actually since CT opened, apparently) of making player-crafted armour sets only cover the visible locations.

Anyone (with some connections) care to ask about this?

[DumpyFab]

In contention with Axterix's post, Oberserver's or Shadow Walker's is nothing special for a high level gnome warrior. Kael or Skyshrine quest armor is comparable or better to these pieces. Stating the obvious, a warrior wants hitpoints and stamina first, then AC. Certain Shadow Walker pieces have the sta and hp, but are sorely lacking in AC. The Observer pieces have nice AC, but no stamina and decent HP. The clicky effects of the pieces, aside from Invisibility on the BP, are pretty much arbitrary for the high end gnome. Oh yes, and produce wrench, which never fails to come in handy.

Verant obviously did not have the gnome warrior in a guild capable of farming ToV (very common these days) in mind with the addition of this new cultural. With the ability to get ToV armor, it's not worth paying the 10-30k these pieces are most likely fetching or skilling up to GM to make em. Other classes, sure, but not warriors.

Also, I see fierce heraldic as armor at the hands of people who have taken endless time and effort to GM blacksmithing to make, and those lucky warriors that chose Rallos Zek so long ago, to wear. I think there should be a gnomish cultural equivalent. Gnomes are regarded by those that look at stats, etc (read: most) as being unfit warriors. Gnomish cultural offering adequate high end AC, plus stamina and hitpoints would be a nice reward for us brave little fellows that have chosen the path of the warlord, and/or those that have worked hard enough to GM tinkering.

All I'm saying is if you're gonna make new cultural available geared (no pun intended) toward gnome rogues, hybrids, and clerics, go ahead and through in some love for the warriors. Heck, the casters are apparently getting theirs with Ykesha.

Dump

[Naito]

Gee, Ma, Why is it the Wizard (who can't wear the armor) that can make the armor first?

That's because Int is not a priority for warriors, Son. And besides, who wants to live their life around a musty workshop, when you can go out Bonking?!


Introducing New! Improved! Tinkered armor that actually improves the stats you need to be able to improve in tinkering! You had a compete set of "tinkering kit" anyway, now you can wear it while on safari!

Thanks, Sony! (image of happy gnomish warrior waving for camera)


- Some people farm NTOV regularly. For the rest, there's...


Eirik Ratcatcher
Master (but not grand master) tinkerer of Xev

[Axterix EnObelix]

>>Anyone (with some connections) care to ask about this?

I'd say it has more to do with the original clockwork watchman having only the visible pieces. Most likely due to only being able to get so many effects approved. And it kind of makes sense to have arms that swing faster, legs that run faster, gloves able to crush a cup, boots that can move fast, a tracking system in the helmet...but what does a collar do?

As to warriors, yes, warriors can get nice armor...if they can get it. Not every warrior has access to SS or Kael armor. Either they don't have the connections to get it, can't afford it, lack the levels, aren't willing to do what it takes to get it, or maybe they are twinks and the armor is going to mains. Some also have racial pride. They'll wear it because it's good enough and it's gnome and nifty.

But you are overrating the armor for other classes. It's nice for clerics. But main clerics? They wear SS and Kael, not to mention various bits of armor with FT or focus effects. SKs and Paladins? HP please. Wisdom and int are afterthoughts. Rogues? Cultural chain is the suck, always has been because comparible gear as been easily available since before the new cultural chain was added. Oh, and a warrior would be better off with a clockwork watchman BP or, better yet, an Incardine one over a Clockwork Observer...since a Vindi BP blows any of the cultural armor BPs away.

Make no mistake about it, cultural armor is temporary for most every class and race. Some of it, like the Tribunal and Rallos stuff they went a bit nutsoid on. But for people that don't have those religions, their cultural is no better than ours...and quite a bit worse. With ours, at least, some of the armor is worth keeping after you no longer wear it for stats.

>>Gnomes are regarded by those that look at stats, etc (read: most) as being unfit warriors.

Most people say "race doesn't matter"...and then there will be a back and forth about ogre no-stun bit. Start a thread somewhere and you'll see that. If people really looked at stats, there would be only 2 races of warriors. Ogres and Trolls. But there aren't. Those same people that laugh at gnomes think wood elves and inkies are fine...yet both have worse stats than gnomes. They don't really look at the stats. We just get no respect. Kind of funny though, because for anyone that's a bit educated, they'd realize that gnomes are in the top 5 and only for 1 reason...clockwork effects. We are the most independent warriors. Halflings are in a similiar boat...super rare as warriors and clerics, yet they have pretty good stats for both classes and take less xp. For non-int caster classes, gnomes get overlooked. For non-druid, non-rogue, same deal for halflings.

Mind you, I wouldn't mind seeing new gnome melee armor. Say something with hp between the Rallos stuff and what we have now, armor without the int/wis and with lots of agil, stam, and dex instead. But I doubt we'll get it, unless all races with cultural armor get it.

[Daethaan]

I think the main reason behind these changes was to give gnomes the chance to make something of more value than collapsible kits and such.

The plate-wearing gnomes (with the exception of Bertoxx) already could wear the dwarven armor, and Rallos warriors could wear heraldic. If you're a gnome warrior that worships Brell you're no worse off than a dark elf warrior that worships Inny.

As for the pieces being visible only, you can always fill in with the dwarven armor.

As for SS and Kael armor being better, sure but can you sell it when you get better? Can you sell cultural when you get SS or Kael? Yes. :)

Of course there are still holes with the cultural, give them time. They're still working on it. :)

[Zallarenya]

If you fail one of the new recipes, do you get the clockwork watchman piece back? Please say it is so :)

[Axterix EnObelix]

Nope, it goes poof.

[Zallarenya]

Thanks Axterix.

One more question (I'm working on the EQTCdb) - do these combines require a deluxe toolbox, or can be combined in the regular or collapsible also? None of the combines require more than 7 components, so technically they would fit in the regular boxes, but I haven't been able to get enough play time to test it myself.

[Axterix EnObelix]

No clue. I'm a Gnome, so I always carry not one but 2 deluxe toolboxes and that's all I've used for combines.

[Cbik Forseti]

The observer clockwork pieces is combinable in a summoned toolbox, from the collapsible toolbox.

[FizbitOnLuclin]

For those looking for armor for casters look not to tinkering, but to tailoring on test server. I'm not in the LoY beta so don't think I'm leaking anything. New merchant in ak'kanon at the Forge of Defiance on test server.

http://mboards.eqtraders.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4313