crafter's charm book

[nightsadie]

found the book in crescent reach, off of merchant "Potter Subira".... in the book it says

"it came to me one day that the method to make the trophies that are made using pottery could be used to make a charm that would enhance one's abilities as one's skill in tradeskills increased. in this case, one will need to make their own special clay, by grinding up some special ingredients and working it into a normal small black of magic clay. you must be sure to make this clay using the appropriate toolkit for the trade, a forge for smithing, a jewelry kit for jewelry making, each appropriate to the skill."

"once you have made the special clay, you will find it very similar to the trophies. make your unfired charm using the special clay, a mounted jacinth, diamond, blue diamond, and black sapphire, with the normal amount of water to help you work the charm into shape. you will also fire it in the same manner with a high quality firing sheet, but you will find that due to the gemstones on the unfired charm it is a very touchy firing. you can expect to fail every fourth try, but you will also find the firing to be an educational experience."

"for alchemist ceramic clay you will need to find medicinal moss and grind it with the three burdock root, bugbane and duskglow vine."

"for baker ceramic clay you will need very finely chop some steppes retile meat and combine it in the clay with a cup of flour, 2 egg batters, a cup of sugar and a bottle of milk"

"for brewing ceramic clay you will need to finely grind a basilisk scale in the clay and mix it with barely, malt and water."

"for fletcher ceramic clay you will need to sacrifice a leopard intestine that would be perfect for a catgut string, and chop it up very finely and mix it in the clay with a clump of wax and a gnomish heat source to dry it a bit."

"for jeweler ceramic clay you will grind down some stonemight silver into a powder along with a peridot, mix it in the clay with grinding powder and hydroabrasive."

"for mechanic ceramic clay you will need to grind down some vergalid slave manacles and two seet of gears and mix that with the clay and golden ember powder."

"for potter ceramic clay you will actually need to mix a vergalid clay, a normal small block of clay and some golden ember powder."

"for researcher ceramic clay you will need to dry and grind down drake wing webbing and a quill of the arcane and mix that with the clay and ink additive of the nameless, soothing thickener and ink of prexus."

"for smith ceramic clay you will need to crush some steppes ore, a small brick of high quality ore, and even a file, and mix it with the clay and a simple flask of water."

"for tailor ceramic clay you will need a good collection of sil to mix in with the clay. you will need wasp spider silk, spider silk, spiderling silk, a silk swatch and a silk thread."

"for toxicologist ceramic clay you will need the get the poison from a razorback venom sac and mix it into the clay with soot hemlock, red hellebore and putrid bile."

"and finally, you can also make an artisan's ceramic clay but for this you will have to collect all the harder to get components from the previous clay. you will need steppes reptile meat, basilisk scale, leopard intestines, stonemight silver, vergalid clay, steppes ore, and wasp spider silk, along with golden ember powder. this clay will be attuned to all seven of the major tradeskills, and the seal will adjust itself accodingly."

[mattw]

steppes retile meat - confirmed drop from snakes and lizards in The Steppes
basilisk scale - confirmed drop from Basalisks in Sunderrock Springs
leopard intestines - confirmed drop from leopards in The Steppes
wasp spider silk - confirmed drop from Wasp Spiders in The Steppes

stonemight silver - assuming this is from any stonemight in The Steppes. Killed a few dozen but no luck so far.

vergalid clay - my first guess on this is the Vergalid Smiths outside of Vergalid mines. The or from the mines themselves. Killed 6 of the smiths, 10 slaves and a handful of mobs inside Vergalid but no luck so far.

steppes ore - no clue. 1st guess was from the elementals in Steppes but only rare thing they have dropped so far is elemental clay quest item. Killed about 40 of the gnolls near Icefall Glacier zone and only ore they had was unrefined ore. Did not try to kill any tree because that would not make sense but maybe centaurs or giants (I did not mess with either of them).

Adidos,
Flec

[Genkismet]

Is any of this stuff no drop so far?

[mattw]

The ones I found so far (silk, meat, scale and intestines) are all tradeable so I assume they all will be. They also all came off mobs that con'ed light blue at lvl 73. That leads me to believe the vergalid clay will drop from mobs outside vergalid in sunderrock (since the mobs inside the mines are all dark blue) and that the steppes ore is not from the giants since they are all dark blue as well. The reptylle meat and silk both stack, I do not remember if the scale and intestines do.

Flec

[Zacatac]

you will need to dry and grind down

How do you "dry" something? And is the "grind down" part done with a mortal and pestle?

[GrimwoodCT]

To dry it, place it in a smoker?

[Ryougo]

I've just make the baker's charm, the meat didn't require any altering

[Xulan]

steppes retile meat - confirmed drop from snakes and lizards in The Steppes
basilisk scale - confirmed drop from Basalisks in Sunderrock Springs
leopard intestines - confirmed drop from leopards in The Steppes
wasp spider silk - confirmed drop from Wasp Spiders in The Steppes

stonemight silver - assuming this is from any stonemight in The Steppes. Killed a few dozen but no luck so far.

vergalid clay - my first guess on this is the Vergalid Smiths outside of Vergalid mines. The or from the mines themselves. Killed 6 of the smiths, 10 slaves and a handful of mobs inside Vergalid but no luck so far.

steppes ore - no clue. 1st guess was from the elementals in Steppes but only rare thing they have dropped so far is elemental clay quest item. Killed about 40 of the gnolls near Icefall Glacier zone and only ore they had was unrefined ore. Did not try to kill any tree because that would not make sense but maybe centaurs or giants (I did not mess with either of them).

Adidos,
Flec


I have come to nearly the same conclusions as you (seems as if we did mostly the same stuff). I will add that:

- I only got wasp spider silk from the Mature Wasp Spiders inside the caves, but it could perhaps drop from the lesser versions.
- I only got steppes reptile meat from snakes, though it may drop from the aligator-like mobs (old style basilisks) though I killed a ton of them and never had one drop.
- I killed many a stonemight in The Steppes as well with no ore to be found.
- I also killed elementals for ore in The Steppes and did not find the ore there either. I will continue to check around when I can.
- Got scales form basilisks in Sunderock.

[mattw]

I got a steppes reptylle meat from both a snake and a basalisk model (lizard).
My silk came from a spider outside of the cave.

Still no luck on the last 3 :-(

Adidos,
Flec

[Elfdruidess]

I have posted the Researcher Charm recipe into the Data collection forum.

At 300+15% pottery, I failed the Klin combine. So the source book is not kidding when it says "you can expect to fail every fourth try".

[Taushar]

So, please someone correct me if I am wrong. From what I can read, if you want the artisan's charm, which advances with all tradeskills, you don't have to make each charm separately then combine, but rather collect all the rare drop items and combine in a single combine? Is this right? Can someone please confirm? Thanks.

Taushar

[Dyllwin]

That's what it sounds like to me as well Taushar, but until someone actually makes one and posts about it, we can't be 100% positive :)

[allamar]

While i was on beta i did this.You only needed the rare mob droped ingredient from each of the 7 main tradeskills.Then combine those 7 items with some other store bought junk.You didnt have to make each of the charms, thx god.
Though they might have changed it.

[nightsadie]

I have posted the Researcher Charm recipe into the Data collection forum.

At 300+15% pottery, I failed the Klin combine. So the source book is not kidding when it says "you can expect to fail every fourth try".


where did you get the drake wing webbing? so that way those who want to do the researching one can do that one

[Elfdruidess]

Unfortunately, I found the drake wing webbing on a vendor. So cannot provide any information on where it drops.

[Agrivain]

Can anyone confirm what drops the three remaining ingredients: stonemight silver, vargalid clay and steppes ore? I like several others have gotten the meat, scale, intestines, and silk, but after hours of killing I've yet to see any of the others. I've even been hitting forage just in the off chance it was a foraged item instead of a drop, and no luck as yet.

Also, which container does the clay need to be made in, since it isn't specific for any one tradeskill. I can imagine that it will combine in any of them, but just wondering if anyone has gotten to that stage.

Agrivain

[Ngreth Thergn]

stonemight silver - assuming this is from any stonemight in The Steppes. Killed a few dozen but no luck so far.

vergalid clay - my first guess on this is the Vergalid Smiths outside of Vergalid mines. The or from the mines themselves. Killed 6 of the smiths, 10 slaves and a handful of mobs inside Vergalid but no luck so far.

steppes ore - no clue. 1st guess was from the elementals in Steppes but only rare thing they have dropped so far is elemental clay quest item. Killed about 40 of the gnolls near Icefall Glacier zone and only ore they had was unrefined ore. Did not try to kill any tree because that would not make sense but maybe centaurs or giants (I did not mess with either of them).

Adidos,
Flec
I will check and be sure no-one has removed my drop tables...

the vergalid ones... it is possible that the level of the zone was increased since I chose the mobs in it to put stuff on them (the vergalid clay is indeed IN vergalid) if so I will look into finding another spot.

And though these are "rare" they are not vanishingly rare... about 1 in 7 chance per kill of appropriate mob.

[nightsadie]

a guildmate of mine did find the vergalid clay late last night in the vergalid mines...not sure what mobs though.....i was asleep when she sent the message :)

[Tullaian]

Also, which container does the clay need to be made in, since it isn't specific for any one tradeskill. I can imagine that it will combine in any of them, but just wondering if anyone has gotten to that stage.

Agrivain

On beta you made the artisan clay on a pottery wheel

[Cerpicio]

On beta you made the artisan clay on a pottery wheel
From the book quoted in the first post of this thread:

"you must be sure to make this clay using the appropriate toolkit for the trade, a forge for smithing, a jewelry kit for jewelry making, each appropriate to the skill."

Not that I've tried it in beta or in live. I just remember reading that part.


-- C.

[Prexis]

Found the Vergalid Clay x2 in the bazaar last night for 100pp each. Grabbed them, but still looking for the Steppes Ore (haven't tried hard on this one yet) and the Stonemight Silver which I did spend many hours slaughtering Stonemight Goblins in The Steppes trying to get but no luck.

[Ysall]

Stonemight Silver and Steppes ore, if there absence on the /buyer list in bazaar is to be believed, have still not dropped on EMarr yet. Starting to wonder if there is indeed a drop-table issue.

[mattw]

I duo'd at the Stonemight camp in the Steppes with a cleric last night. The mobs are all light blue at lvl 73 and we killed until we had both earned 10% regular exp from the light blues (so a LOT of mobs) and saw no Stonemight Silver. This is either the wrong place or the drop table is missing it. Giving up on this for now.

I will hunt down the Vergalid clay as son as I get home and post what it drops from. Thanks for the info.

That just leaves the Steppes ore. I have killed more than 10 of every type of mob in the steppes now. I know the RNG could just be tormenting me but if the ore is a 1 in 7 drop then I am starting to worry it is also not in the drop list. Gonna hold off on looking for this one again until I finish leveling in case Ngreth finds a bug or missing loot table :-)

Adidos,
Flec

[Lazorus]

Have attained:

Leopard Intestines --- a steppes leopard (The Steppes)
Steppes Reptile Meat --- a timber lizard (The Steppes)
Wasp Spider Silk --- a mature wasp spider (The Steppes)
Basilisk Scale --- a bladefin basilisk (Sunderock Springs)
Vergalid Clay --- orcs (Vergalid Mines)

5 drops above ive attained fairly easy and 1 in 7 rate that Ngreth posted above sounds about right.

Killed over 100 Stonemight models in The Steppes and attained no Stonemight Silver.
Killed over 40 Elemental models in The Steppes and attained no Steppes Ore.

If the 1 in 7 droprate holds true and the mobs that we think drop the last two missing items (Ore and Silver) do, then i think there missing from drop tables in game atm as well. Hoping Ngreth can confirm yes or no on that sometime soon.

-Lazorus

[Tullaian]

From the book quoted in the first post of this thread:

"you must be sure to make this clay using the appropriate toolkit for the trade, a forge for smithing, a jewelry kit for jewelry making, each appropriate to the skill."

Not that I've tried it in beta or in live. I just remember reading that part.


-- C.

artisan clay is the clay for the artisan charm which is the combined charm. The baking clay is oven, smithing clay forge, etc. you're right and totally wrong at the same time.

[nightsadie]

i've kill'd just about everything in the zone at least 50time if not more....well all but the giants in steppes...and have yet to find either silver or ore.....

[andyhre]

I will check and be sure no-one has removed my drop tables...

the vergalid ones... it is possible that the level of the zone was increased since I chose the mobs in it to put stuff on them (the vergalid clay is indeed IN vergalid) if so I will look into finding another spot.

And though these are "rare" they are not vanishingly rare... about 1 in 7 chance per kill of appropriate mob.

I was in a fairly high end explore/Xp ground in vergalid (we're all Anguish or better geared, very beefy tanks, etc). We were getting decent drops on the Vergalid Clay and Vergalid Manacles in Vegalid Mins, just pulling to the entrance. There are goblin type workers and Orc type overseers -- I think the clay was of the Gobs and the Manacles on the Orcs. I got 3 of each in 45 minutes. The 1:7 estimate seems about right for them.

It's a tough zone though. I am a pretty well-geared ranger and with another ranger, a druid and a chanter, we were able to also camp the same spot, albeit much more slowly. I have to think this would be tough for non-raid geared groups, even with an optimal group.

As for the Steppes Ore and Stonemight Silver, from the buyers' bazaar i can tell that not a single one has dropped yet on Tunare. My guess on the ore was the Gnolls, since some of the Gnolls drop rare cases of Unrefined ore. But I've killed 20 of those (there is quest requiring that, so I figured I'd get all 20 while i was there... I can solo them, to give you a sense of comparative difficulty versus the clay). So if those are the right mobs, 1:7 seems unlikely, RNG quirks or not.

And Stonemight Silver, I have killed about the same number of goblins in Steppes w/o luck either.


Has anyone found either of these yet?

[KyrosKrane]

On Luclin's /barter, neither the Stonemight Silver nor Steppes Ore appear on the list, suggesting they haven't dropped yet.

[Tullaian]

On Luclin's /barter, neither the Stonemight Silver nor Steppes Ore appear on the list, suggesting they haven't dropped yet.

same for the nameless

[nightsadie]

as well on prexus

[Gillette]

I got my wasp spider silk from an assassin spider that spawned during a quest from Yavia in The Steppes.

[Gillette]

Vergalid Clay does come from the mines. I saw one drop and it is still not appearing in the buyer window in the bazaar.

Addition: I now have a Vergalid Clay in my inventory and it still doesn't not appear in the buyer window on a search.

[Liwsa]

Is the clay no drop?

[tuis]

Clay is not No Trade, I found 1 on my guild's merchant for like, 5 coppers.

[ahzzyborn]

I did a quest last night from stonemight NPC Cragnaw in steppes that resulted in a No Trade item with no stats called Fractured Winter Steel Statue of Flame. No idea if this is connected or not. item lore: magical ice sculpture of a dragon's head, broken below neck.

[Brantes]

Ngreth can you possibly let us know what you found on drop tables so we know wether or not to give up on Stonemight Silver and Steppes Ore.

[Prexis]

All the other drops so up in the /buyer window, but the Steppes Ore & the Stonemight Silver do not. Either they have not dropped at all, or they are no drop, which would not fit the pattern for these quests.

[kemakul]

where did you get the drake wing webbing? so that way those who want to do the researching one can do that one

It drops off the drakes in Sunderock Springs.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Ngreth can you possibly let us know what you found on drop tables so we know wether or not to give up on Stonemight Silver and Steppes Ore.
Getting my first full weekend in more than a month, and my first day off after 12 days in a row working... this is the closest to work i am doing today :) I will look monday.

I did put them on the drop tables, but that was two months ago. Another designer may have done some work there in the meantime, maybe changing the NPC files and losing my drop tables... we will see when I look :)

[Bolas]

Getting my first full weekend in more than a month, and my first day off after 12 days in a row working... this is the closest to work i am doing today :) I will look monday.

I did put them on the drop tables, but that was two months ago. Another designer may have done some work there in the meantime, maybe changing the NPC files and losing my drop tables... we will see when I look :)

Thanks, Ngreth. We'll look forward to hearing from you some time on Monday then with the results of your investigation.

-Bolas

[RogueZephyr69]

Getting my first full weekend in more than a month, and my first day off after 12 days in a row working... this is the closest to work i am doing today :) I will look monday.

I did put them on the drop tables, but that was two months ago. Another designer may have done some work there in the meantime, maybe changing the NPC files and losing my drop tables... we will see when I look :)

Thanks very much Ngreth! This means a lot to us :) Have a wonderful weekend you deserve it !

[Ngreth Thergn]

it looks like drop tables are missing for the stonemight silver and the steppes ore.

they are there, but on some quest only NPC's so not appropriate.

making some changes now, but it will need a patch to go in.

[andyhre]

it looks like drop tables are missing for the stonemight silver and the steppes ore.

they are there, but on some quest only NPC's so not appropriate.

making some changes now, but it will need a patch to go in.

Can those quest-only mobs even be attacked? I tried, for example, to kill Cragmaw but it wouldn't let me.

But if they can be killed... hehehehe, poor questers, when there is a long line of tradeskillers eager for their drops!

p.s. When's the next patch?!!!?!?! :-)

[Ngreth Thergn]

It does look like the average level of the vergalid NPC's increased by 5 to 10 levels sometimes after I put in the drops... so I will see if I can find a better place... there may not be a better place though... I will have to see...

[Ngreth Thergn]

Can those quest-only mobs even be attacked? I tried, for example, to kill Cragmaw but it wouldn't let me.

But if they can be killed... hehehehe, poor questers, when there is a long line of tradeskillers eager for their drops!

p.s. When's the next patch?!!!?!?! :-)

some of them are kill-able, part of an "Pilgram" quest from Valdeholm.

I have not been informed of when the next patch will be,

[nightsadie]

thanks for lookin into it hun :) i'm sure all of us who are wantin to do the charm will be lookin forward to the next patch /giggles....

[Bolas]

Tradeskill drops not dropping? Clearly this calls for an EMERGENCY PATCH!! hehe.

Hope it's not too far off to patch this. Maybe if we send 'em some chocolates they'll do a small patch to fix this (and whatever else) sometime this month.

-Bolas

[andyhre]

It does look like the average level of the vergalid NPC's increased by 5 to 10 levels sometimes after I put in the drops... so I will see if I can find a better place... there may not be a better place though... I will have to see...

At least these are droppable (err tradeable, sorry showing my age), so if it does not change, there can be some flow of the bricks and the manacles from the hgiher level groups downward. I know for the tradeskillers for whom this means a trip to the bazaar, that can be frustrating, but if this zone is used for XP camps, the market will be flooded with them (or they'll just rot... in which case an avid tradeskiller can simply hand out and ask to loot).

It's not ideal, but it seems like it will be okay until (if) you change it.

[Zorus]

A level appropriate place for vergalid clay and vergalid slave manacles in my opinion would be from the goblin slaves, orcs and overseers in Sunderock Springs, right outside the entrace to the mine. At lvl 71 mobs outside of mine range from light blue to dark blue, similiar to mobs in Steppes. They may not be exact level range intended for the TS drops, but would be much closer than mob level in Vergalid Mines.

~Zorus

[Ngreth Thergn]

A level appropriate place for vergalid clay and vergalid slave manacles in my opinion would be from the goblin slaves, orcs and overseers in Sunderock Springs, right outside the entrace to the mine. At lvl 71 mobs outside of mine range from light blue to dark blue, similiar to mobs in Steppes. They may not be exact level range intended for the TS drops, but would be much closer than mob level in Vergalid Mines.

~Zorus

I *think* my only problem with them were the numbers... but I will definitely think on it :)

[Maevenniia]

One of teh other Devs posted in an EQLive thread that he thought there might be a patch next week. Hopefully, he was right! :)

[mattw]

Thanks for the info Ngreth. Will look through Valdeholm for any tasks/quests that send me to The Steppes. Gonna be a pain because of faction though. Anyone find a way to raise Valdeholm faction yet? So far the tasks given by the giants in the little rooms right outside the city have not given faction, just exp.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Absor asked me to say "What is the name of the Valdeholm quests not giving faction? Tell Absor or Absor SMASH!!"

So what quests?

[andyhre]

Just wanted to say, Ngreth, that even when there is a problem with your work (and even if its caused by someone other than you), it's a delight to see your balance of "good for the game" vs. "responsive to players" is so well tuned. It's not like you give away the candy store to make us happy, but you are a straight-shooter and you make it so much easier to deal with a disappointment.

Yes, I wanted to have my Artisan's charm equipped by now and show it off to my guild. And yes, so I am sad i ahve to wait for a patch.

But your quick response, investigation, and sharing of information is a refreshing change from lots of other companies, and even within Sony, other devs.

Thanks!!!!

[Baldary]

At least these are droppable (err tradeable, sorry showing my age), so if it does not change, there can be some flow of the bricks and the manacles from the hgiher level groups downward. I know for the tradeskillers for whom this means a trip to the bazaar, that can be frustrating, but if this zone is used for XP camps, the market will be flooded with them (or they'll just rot... in which case an avid tradeskiller can simply hand out and ask to loot).

It's not ideal, but it seems like it will be okay until (if) you change it.

The information that I have been reading is that the experience in Vergalid Mines is very poor. I fear that the risk versus reward in this zone will be such that nobody ever goes there. In that case, little if any, tradeskill drops from there will make it to the Bazaar.

Baldary

p.s. I just noticed that the servers will be coming down Wednesday morning for a 5 hour patch. Hopefully things can be fixed with the drops.

Baldary

[mattw]

Will have to wait until I get home and can run back to Valdehom to get the actual name of the tasks but if you want one to look at real quick then the task to:

kill 30 orcs in icefall
kill orc anmed sayrook
return sayrook's head

Gave just exp. No faction and no reward. The trigger phrase was "defense" and the text said the orcs were starting to worship the shades in frostcrypt and needed to be dealt with before they became a problem.

Another task that I was told gave no faction was to scout 4 locations in Frostcrypt. I have not completed that one yet so I cannot confirm that it has no faction. Will try to get more information for you when I get home.

Adidos,
Flec

[RogueZephyr69]

So will this be going into the new patch or will it be the following patch Ngreth?

[mattw]

Ok, the orc task is called "Orcish Dissention" and is given out by out by Wraithgaurd Warden Hrosigar. No faction, no reward, just exp on completion and when you hail him again he gives same task to do again with same objectives.

The scouting task is "Construction of Shadows" from Wraithguard Lorekeeper Fenegar. Have not completed it but it does have a reward listed (a potion).

Also, there is a task called "The Library" from something the wise in The Steppes. It requires you to collect 2 books from homes with book cases in Valdeholm. Found the houses that trigger the task update and found book 2 but have checked every bookcase in Valdeholm and cannot find book 1. Possible it is bugged or maybe it drops and not a ground spawn.

Sorry to have sidetracked this thread but you did ask hehe.

Adidos,
Flec

[Xodar]

Spent several hours in Vergalid tonight, we did eventually get several clay.

It is NOT a casual zone to grind in, there are very few spots to set up, lots of pathing clerics, and trash hits hard. Drops were spotty, we got two within one 30 minute period and had a couple hours without. Honestly, Vergalid is probably the most poorly designed zone I have seen this xpac with rvr. Mobs are tough and plentiful and drops we saw were in the 175 hp range. XP from mobs at 74+ was poor at best.

Sneak does not affect the npc's in Vald generally (at least the ones Flec drug me around to test on) or you need better than indifferent.

[Kahmon]

Just wanted to say, Ngreth, that even when there is a problem with your work (and even if its caused by someone other than you), it's a delight to see your balance of "good for the game" vs. "responsive to players" is so well tuned. It's not like you give away the candy store to make us happy, but you are a straight-shooter and you make it so much easier to deal with a disappointment.

.....

But your quick response, investigation, and sharing of information is a refreshing change from lots of other companies, and even within Sony, other devs.

Thanks!!!!

Well put. The old days we got the responce "working as intended" so often that it has become a punchline. People make mistakes. Many of us even expect them from Sony, especially at the launch of a new expansion, but knowing what IS broken so that we can waste time on other stuff is very helpful.

/Cheers Ngreth

[Bolas]

Well put. The old days we got the responce "working as intended" so often that it has become a punchline. People make mistakes. Many of us even expect them from Sony, especially at the launch of a new expansion, but knowing what IS broken so that we can waste time on other stuff is very helpful.

/Cheers Ngreth

Yep no doubt about it, Ngreth is my favorite dev. Why? Cause of communication. You might not like the answer... but you do get an answer. And you see him online and can talk with him. And you see him on the boards and can talk to him there. Now if other devs could just learn from Ngreth, we'd be set. :)

[Ngreth Thergn]

Vergalid is up for some tweaks to make it a bit easier.

I do not know what they are, nor when they will happen, but that they are planned.

That said, If I am not grabbed today, I plan on looking into moving the clay and manacles... they just may have to be on slightly less mobs than the others :/ (I tried to make sure there were at least 40 mobs available for each of the drops... but I may not be able to keep that anymore since I have to "flee" vergalid :) )

[andyhre]

Sorry to back-seat drive, but if the concern is that by moving the items, they become rarer than intended, why not just add them to the new mobs, but leave them on the old as well. If/when Verg gets revamped, you can then decide if they suddenly become too common or not, but in the meantime you create two outlets for the drops.

[Tullaian]

Are the drop table fixes going to go in with the 9/27 patch?

[Bolas]

Are the drop table fixes going to go in with the 9/27 patch?

Very good question. I sure hope so! I'm very excited about the master artisan charm.

[nightsadie]

I see in the patch message that the clay got moved to Sunderock, any word on the steel and ore being moved to the correct mobs?

[Ngreth Thergn]

yes

[Aeia]

I can confirm that the Vergalid clay now drops from "a quarry slave" in Sunderock springs.

[andyhre]

yes


Woot!

[Elfdruidess]

Lucy has the Artisan Charm uploaded just one hour after servers came up:
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=97937

Artisan Charm
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: CHARM
AC: 30
STR: +25 DEX: +25 STA: +25 CHA: +25 WIS: +25 INT: +25 AGI: +25 HP: +225 MANA: +225 ENDUR: +225
SV FIRE: +20 SV DISEASE: +20 SV COLD: +20 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +20
Recommended level of 70. Required level of 51.
WT: 0.1 Size: TINY
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7
Slot 2, Type 8

[Aanuvane]

Can anyone confirm what this is dropping off ? I got the Stonemight Silver from Stonemight goblins, but not finding the Steppes Ore. Thanks!:)

[Aeia]

"Steppes Ore" dropped from "a darkfell gnoll" in the Steppes.

[Baldary]

I looked at the completed charm on Lucy and must say that I am very happy with it. Thank you N'Greth for making this happen.

But now we face the dilemma of what augments we can use since there are very few charm slot augments and they need to be Type 7 and 8. It appears to me that we are limited to Slipgear's and the Adventurer's Stone. Anyone have any other ideas?


Baldary

[Sliggoth]

The steppes ore is also dropping from a darkfell elder as well, the drop rate is either rarer than 1 in 7 or else not all the types of gnolls are dropping it.


There is supposed to be a new exploration aug from TSS that people are calling slipgear 2.0, so that should be another aug option.


Sliggoth, druid/ tradeskiller of 7th Hammer

[andyhre]

I can confirm that, as of 12:06pm PDT, the full set of drops and recipes needed to make the Artisan's Charm are available on Tunare. One slightly too long coffee-break-turned-early lunch was all it took.

While it took more than 7 kills per camp, it was not so many that I could disprove the drop rate.


THANKS NGRETH! Both for a nice TS reward and also for fixing the bugs.

While I'm asking... is Toegnasher ever supposed to drop anything, i killed him 4 times in the course of the farming process and his loot is always nil.

[Ratblaster]

Slipgear gem is all slots so can go into either the type 7 or 8 slot.

Someone also linked to me the new charm-useable exploration aug from TSS. I seem to recall it was 70/70/70 hp/mana/end and worked in slots 7,8. However, I dont have the name of the NPC that starts this quest.

So ideally, you can put both the DoD and TSS explore augs into this new charm to raise stats to 345 hp/mana.

Emperor Draygun also drops a type8 aug which was charm useable and 110 hp/mana if I remember correctly.

[Baldary]

There is supposed to be a new exploration aug from TSS that people are calling slipgear 2.0, so that should be another aug option.




Hmmm. That certainly would be an option for those like myself that do not have a maxed Adventurer's Stone. Does anyone have the name and zone of the questgiver for Slipgear 2.0? The only quest I have seen so far that requires you to hit specific locs takes place completely in direwind and the reward is only experience.

Baldary

[Lokase]

I just made my Master Artisian Charm, 3:30 pm EST, Sept 27, 2006.

Recipe:

Artisan Ceramic Clay (Triv 262) - Combine in a Pottery Wheel
1 Leopard Intestines ( a steppes leopard - The Steppes )
1 Steppes Reptile Meat ( a timber lizard - The Steppes )
1 Wasp Spider Silk ( a mature wasp spider - The Steppes )
1 Basilisk Scale ( a bladefin basilisk - Sunderock Springs )
1 Vergalid Clay ( a quarry slave - Sunderrock Springs )
1 Stonemight Silver ( a stonemite goblin - The Steppes )
1 Steppes Ore ( a darkfell gnoll - The Steppes )
1 Golden Ember Powder
1 Small Block of Magic Clay

Unfired Artisan Charm (Triv 250) - Combine in a Pottery Wheel
1 Artisan Ceramic Clay
1 Mounted Black Sapphire
1 Mounted Blue Diamond
1 Mounted Diamond
1 Mounted Jacinth
1 Water


Artisan Charm (Triv 250) - Combine in a Kiln
1 Unfired Artisan Charm
1 High Quality Firing Sheet


Cheers,

[Liwsa]

Toegnasher is a quest mob. He gives you a quest to kill darkfell gnolls, hand in a razor-sharp obsidian blade(only drops off named darkfells), and then you need to hand in 5 of the no drop yellow silks off the wisp spiders.

reward is exp and

Fractured Winter Steel Statue of Flame
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=88145

[andyhre]

Toegnasher is a quest mob. He gives you a quest to kill darkfell gnolls, hand in a razor-sharp obsidian blade(only drops off named darkfells), and then you need to hand in 5 of the no drop yellow silks off the wisp spiders.

You are thinking of Cragmaw (sp?). Tognasher is a gnoll. Maybe he gives the equivalent quest for killing stonemights? I should have checked that instead of repeatedly murdering him for his (non-existing) steppes ore. :-)

[Liwsa]

Was wrong as usual, "My Pretty" does start at cragmaw was mixing up the 2 sorry. Too many quests too many things.

[andyhre]

Nm... Liwsa and I were off in a tagent....

[cibby]

slipgear 2.0 quest information.

http://eq.forums.thedruidsgrove.org/showthread.php?t=14453

sorry not sure how to insert websites so if mod wants to fix feel free.

Nice job on the TS aug ogre :)

Will need to work on quite a few of mine.....but my brewing is up there.

It is nice to see the folks who labored hard to get 1750 and 2100 get rewarded.

Cibby

[Arthegorn]

I just made my Master Artisian Charm, 3:30 pm EST, Sept 27, 2006.

Recipe:

Artisan Ceramic Clay (Triv 262) - Combine in a Pottery Wheel
1 Leopard Intestines ( a steppes leopard - The Steppes )
1 Steppes Reptile Meat ( a timber lizard - The Steppes )
1 Wasp Spider Silk ( a mature wasp spider - The Steppes )
1 Basilisk Scale ( a bladefin basilisk - Sunderock Springs )
1 Vergalid Clay ( a quarry slave - Sunderrock Springs )
1 Stonemight Silver ( a stonemite goblin - The Steppes )
1 Steppes Ore ( a darkfell gnoll - The Steppes )
1 Small Block of Magic Clay


Unfired Artisan Charm (Triv 250) - Combine in a Pottery Wheel
1 Artisan Ceramic Clay
1 Mounted Black Sapphire
1 Mounted Blue Diamond
1 Mounted Diamond
1 Mounted Jacinth
1 Water


Artisan Charm (Triv 250) - Combine in a Kiln
1 Unfired Artisan Charm
1 High Quality Firing Sheet


Cheers,

You forgot the golden ember powder in the first combine.

[Baldary]

slipgear 2.0 quest information.

http://eq.forums.thedruidsgrove.org/showthread.php?t=14453

sorry not sure how to insert websites so if mod wants to fix feel free.

Nice job on the TS aug ogre :)

Will need to work on quite a few of mine.....but my brewing is up there.

It is nice to see the folks who labored hard to get 1750 and 2100 get rewarded.

Cibby

Woot! Just what the doctor ordered. Thank you much.

Baldary

[andyhre]

nm, Arthegorn beat me to the punch on Golden Ember powder...

[Nimphe Wildwood]

Ngreth - thank you for the wonderful charm! Your hard work and efforts really are appreciated. I came out of retirement just to do this combine. It's been a long time coming, but well worth the wait after all these years!

:love:

[Ozadar]

Lucy has the Artisan Charm uploaded just one hour after servers came up:
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=97937

Artisan Charm
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO TRADE
Slot: CHARM
AC: 30
STR: +25 DEX: +25 STA: +25 CHA: +25 WIS: +25 INT: +25 AGI: +25 HP: +225 MANA: +225 ENDUR: +225
SV FIRE: +20 SV DISEASE: +20 SV COLD: +20 SV MAGIC: +20 SV POISON: +20
Recommended level of 70. Required level of 51.
WT: 0.1 Size: TINY
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 7
Slot 2, Type 8

I might have missed the answer to this question, but how do the stats track to the ones posted above as you gain skill in your tradeskills? What can I expect to see at my current ability? I fear 300 to all is the answer to the first question, and hopefully not too shabby for my second query.

Thanks!

Ozadar of the 70th Corpse
Erudite Tradeskiller of Zek
Member of 1450 Club

Baking - 275
Brewing - 250
Fletching - 251
Jewelry - 266
Pottery - 249
Smithing - 233
Tailoring - 231
Research - 200
Fishing - 200

(+5-8% to all skills) + Salvage 3

[Gillette]

Thank you Ngreth. Just another fine example of how well you work with the community. When problems do arrise with tradeskills, you are always quick to work on a solution, and keep us well informed on what is going on. This makes for very happy customers!

[Baldary]

Blech. :(

Just failed the combine of the artisan ceramic clay. Now I have to go back and farm some more items.

Baldary

[Tobynn]

Oh, is the RNG being mean to me today ...

Up to 56 darkfell gnolls dead and no ore yet!

Back to the steppes!

/whine

[Lanthorny]

Just succeeded on mine - first go ..

the artisan clay is no trade as is the unfired charm .. so best you can do from bazaar is to purchase all the components, and cross fingers.

Drop rate seemed to be as posted to expect but if anything off leopards was a little on the lower side .. was more like 1 in 25 mobs or so i got a drop though may be the RNG......

GREAT item .. though a little disappointed there were no additional effects like on the arena challenge charm .. accuracy, etc.....

[SynidarNC]

Just made my Artisans Charm and I am very happy with the stats, even though I lack 21 points from the 2100 club.

Synidar
72 Beastlord on E-Marr
Guild Leader of Norrathian Collective

300 Baking, Brewing, Fletching, Jewelerycraft, Pottery, Tailoring
279 in Blacksmithing

[Baldary]

Blech. :(

Just failed the combine of the artisan ceramic clay. Now I have to go back and farm some more items.

Baldary

Success on the second try. I am 2100 and loving it. :)

Baldary

[Ngreth Thergn]

GREAT item .. though a little disappointed there were no additional effects like on the arena challenge charm .. accuracy, etc.....
this is a TRADESKILL charm... not an ADVENTURERS charm :)

But I definitely wanted people to have to choose between the two.

[Ratblaster]

Finished charm last night...took about 2.5-3 hours to farm 2 of each drop. Took 2 kiln combines (first failed even with pottery mastery 3 and 288 modified skill).

My 7 main trades total 1980 (282.8). At that level, the base charm is still 204 hp/mana.

Another guildy with avg skills somewhere in 200-250 range had significantly lower stats (lower than his arena badge). This aug is probably a good deal for anyone over 250 avg tradeskill, esp if you have a decent aug for 2nd slot.

[Tobynn]

Apparently, all it took to get ore to start dropping was a quick /whine on the boards. After 56 gnolls with nothing, the following two quads yeilded 5 ores!

Failed the first combine on the clay, charm completed on second attempt.

It looks great with a pair of Slipgears installed :)

[Ryougo]

Would it be possible for someone to disclose the formula to calculate the stats? Since I thought it wasn't a raw average.

[Aeia]

This is what Ngreth posted here http://mboards.eqtraders.com/eq/showthread.php?t=27556

----
(skill - 100)/200
average the 7
multiply by the stat
also
min(level,70)/70
multiply by the new stat for newer stat. (remember min level to wear is 51)
----

[Xislaben]

Finished charm last night...took about 2.5-3 hours to farm 2 of each drop. Took 2 kiln combines (first failed even with pottery mastery 3 and 288 modified skill).

My 7 main trades total 1980 (282.8). At that level, the base charm is still 204 hp/mana.

Another guildy with avg skills somewhere in 200-250 range had significantly lower stats (lower than his arena badge). This aug is probably a good deal for anyone over 250 avg tradeskill, esp if you have a decent aug for 2nd slot.

I made the charm with 200 in pottery and 0 mastery aa's ><

With a total of 1550 in the 7 common the stats were 135hp/mana/end. Now you'd think this isn't that great compared to the arena charm, but there are two aug slots. Get slip gear (50/50/50) and start working on the TSS Wanderlust charm, and it's already better than the arena charm. after a few Wanderlust upgrades.

I read the alleged stat calc example and I'm afraid I'm not following, maybe I've been looking at the puter screen too much today. Could anybody provide an example?

Ah never mind.

Baking 252 0.76
Tailoring 244 0.72
Blacksmithing 223 0.615
Fletching 200 0.5
Brewing 231 0.655
Jewellery 200 0.5
Pottery 200 0.5
0.607142857

225*.6071 = 136?

Be easier to say 225*(tstotal-700)/1400 no?

[Ngreth Thergn]

I made the charm with 200 in pottery and 0 mastery aa's ><

With a total of 1550 in the 7 common the stats were 135hp/mana/end. Now you'd think this isn't that great compared to the arena charm, but there are two aug slots. Get slip gear (50/50/50) and start working on the TSS Wanderlust charm, and it's already better than the arena charm. after a few Wanderlust upgrades.

I read the alleged stat calc example and I'm afraid I'm not following, maybe I've been looking at the puter screen too much today. Could anybody provide an example?

Ah never mind.

Baking 252 0.76
Tailoring 244 0.72
Blacksmithing 223 0.615
Fletching 200 0.5
Brewing 231 0.655
Jewellery 200 0.5
Pottery 200 0.5
0.607142857

225*.6071 = 136?

Be easier to say 225*(tstotal-700)/1400 no?
i just quick gave what the actual script does.

[Xislaben]

Looks like a nice linear progression

[Gatorr]

Nice graph dang near worth its own Topic and a sticky.

[Ngreth Thergn]

Looks like a nice linear progression

I felt linear was fine :)

[andyhre]

Here's a weird thing. At least as of last night (Sunday oct 1), the Buyer's bazaar on Eci/Tunare still does not show Steppes Ore or Stonemight Silver, even though I know for sure that it's been looted on our server.

I had thought the system was that as soon as an item was looted, it got into the db for offering to buy. Then I thought maybe it required a few hours. Now I am wondering if it is bugged, or if it requires a patch to get updated?

I am pretty sure when I made wood elf master's armor on the old E'ci server, I was the first to make it and the very same night I made it, it appeared in the list of buyable goods in buyers bazaar (this happened on each item as i worked my way up -- god I made a killing selling that stuff at first :-). Was this just fortuitous timing and it could have taken longer?

[Mitsune Foxfire]

1 Steppes Reptile Meat ( a timber lizard - The Steppes )


I have yet to see that meat drop from a lizard. Someone mentioned that he/she found it on a snake. Might lizards be the wrong mobs?

[Twistagain]

I have yet to see that meat drop from a lizard. Someone mentioned that he/she found it on a snake. Might lizards be the wrong mobs?

I looted it from a timber lizard...though I've heard it drops from either. I completed my charm last night, and have enough pieces for another attempt for my wife with the exception of one more Steppes Ore.

Took us about 6-7 hours of farming to get it all. (71 Bst, 70 Clr)

[Brickhaus]

I have yet to see that meat drop from a lizard. Someone mentioned that he/she found it on a snake. Might lizards be the wrong mobs?

Got 3 yesterday off timber lizards (one full clearing of the island near the druid ring) so they drop and that's the right mob (might drop off something else as well).

Remember, given probabilities, it is possible to kill 100 mobs in a row and not get the drop you want unless it is 100 percent certain to drop.

Brickhaus

[Zacatac]

I have yet to see that meat drop from a lizard. Someone mentioned that he/she found it on a snake. Might lizards be the wrong mobs?

I got mine off a lizard/basilisk looking thing. I've only got 2 parts so far done. :(

I'll give you a good spot for the wasp spider silk part though -

Go into the zone, turn right, enter first cave you see. Inside, turn left, find an NPC sitting down inside a room with 2 spiders in it. This NPC gives you a TASK to help her escape from the spiders (the NPC is at 11% health when you first target).

In that room are 2 ground spawns. Pick up 1 of each. Hand to NPC, which raises her hp some, but also spawns a wave of "assassin spiders".

I solo'd (71 mage) the entire task. Spiders con light blue. Make sure to kill the 2 normal spawns first or you will have 4!

Hand in food/drink, 2 assassin spiders spawn.
Hand in food/drink, 2 assassin spiders spawn.
Hand in food/drink, 3 assassin spiders spawn.
Hand in food/drink, 2 mature assassin spiders spawn.
Hand in food/drink, 2 mature assassin spiders spawn.
Hand in food/drink, 1 assassin Queen spider spawns.

NPC says thank you. You get a 100hp/mana item for loot. During this task, I looted FOUR of the silk you need for Artisan Charm.

[Ngreth Thergn]

I looted it from a timber lizard...though I've heard it drops from either.
Yes.

Thus the more generic "reptile" name :)

[Ozadar]

"1 Vergalid Clay ( a quarry slave - Sunderrock Springs )"

Having a little trouble with this one. Only found one single pull quarry slave and splitting is impossible that I can see. Does the Vergalid Clay drop off something else, or can somebody suggest more hunt spots?

Ozadar of the 70th Corpse
Erudite Tradeskiller of Zek
Member of 1450 Club

Baking - 275
Brewing - 250
Fletching - 255
Jewelry - 266
Pottery - 249
Smithing - 233
Tailoring - 231
Research - 200
Fishing - 200

(+5-8% to all skills) + Salvage 3

[baldorrex]

I had the same problem, since I am a wizard. I just killed the two nearby animal mobs (basilisk, snake, or drake) to kill the time waiting for the quarry slave to respawn, as well as the occasional rockhauler/rockbreaker slave as time and mana permitted. (I have gotten 3 medicinal moss from them too). I have gotten two clays from there, which have been on target with the projected drop rate of 1 in 7. Too bad I failed the unfired charm combine the first time. :faint: But I now have my second clay, and I can't fail again. :D

In short, it's not impossible, albeit a slow process, which would be much easier with crowd control or a group.

[Dyllwin]

There is a cave just NW of the mines where there are 3 slaves and an orc. The orc paths so that you can get him solo with ease, and the third goblin is far enough away from the other two that you can kill it without aggro. If you could then somehow split the remaining two the first time you could keep them split until you got the drops you needed :)

[Zacatac]

I must have horrible luck.

It took me and a bard guildmate (he can pull the camps, I can't) about 2 hours, at least 30 slaves killed, before we got 1 single clay to drop last night. Hoping I don't fail the combine. . .

[Twistagain]

I must have horrible luck.

It took me and a bard guildmate (he can pull the camps, I can't) about 2 hours, at least 30 slaves killed, before we got 1 single clay to drop last night. Hoping I don't fail the combine. . .

Ouch. Wife and I pulled the first camp as you come up the waterfall (consists of a single Green-whatever drakkin slavedriver and 4 slaves...and a nearby wandering orc.) We cleared it 3 times to get 2 clays (1 for me, 1 for backup. I didn't fail, so I gave it to wife...she succeeded, too.)

[Zacatac]

Well I picked up my final pieces last night. The silver, basilisk scale, and then off to PoI for golden ember powder. Ran around vendors until I found the 4 gems needed, then down to Thurgadin for velium and the combines.

Happy owner of the Artisan Charm now. :)
(I really didn't want to go gather all that up again!)

For me, it took awhile -

1 Leopard Intestines - 3 hours solo
1 Steppes Reptile Meat - 1 hour solo
1 Wasp Spider Silk - 2 hours solo (but got 4 of them, see previous post)
1 Basilisk Scale - 15 minutes, got drop on 4th kill
1 Vergalid Clay - 2 hours with a partner
1 Stonemight Silver - 3 hours solo
1 Steppes Ore - 2 hours solo
1 Golden Ember Powder - 10-15 minutes to run to PoI and kill 3 mobs at zone in.

[Wyvernwill]

My guild's jaw dropped when I told them the stats on the charm after I made it last night. lol, at the time I only had my LDoN Aug to put in it (mostly due to the fact that it was better than Slipgear, so I never got SG).

Followed by a bet in Guildchat that I couldn't do Slipgear without the rogue shroud and even then I would probably die... Won that bet, as a paladin, without even agro'ing a single mob through the five zones.