Skillups goin slow what stats are needed for pottery?

[xicrenon]

Skillups are crawling for pottery and gettin expensive what stats do i need for pottery???
i am a necro so int is high , saw something once about dexterity do i need DEX also????


Stats:
STR 98
STA 85
AGI 94
DEX 102
wis 115
int 257

thanks for your help
currently at 124 and want 199 by today

[Sebilrazen]

Wis/Int is the skill up checker for pottery so as long as you keep your int up and do non triv combines they'll come, just slowly

[Fulmar]

Before SOE made there "small change" to pottery skill up's I was able to get a point of skill about every 4 or 5 vials (never more than 10) with a 140 wis character. I only made it to 180 before the change. Shortly after the change I tried to raise my skill to 188 on vials. I started with 200 zombie skins and did not get a single point. Pottery skill gains have been brought in line with all other trades. Get your Int as high as posible and keep at it. The skill up's will come!

Fulmar, 39th Barbarian Shaman
Brell Serilis
216 Potter, 200 Brewer, 192 Baker, 186 Jewler, 182 Smith, 182 Fletcher, 158 Tailor, 41 Alchemist
Aka: Hoekus (Dru 29), Fabutan (Enc 29), Canaada (BL 34)

[Rubra]

Having a Druid, using 255 WIS was no problem for skill-up's..

But now I have to get my SK Ogre ( ouch ) to skill up, for the thurg potion..

Is STR also taken into acount ? Or is that only with Smithing ?
http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=39482

STR 200
STA 158
AGI 80
DEX 118
WIS 91
INT 115
CHA 47

[Morani]

The "official" doctrine right now states that WIS OR INT is the primary stat for all tradeskills. Three tradeskills are said to have a secondary stat that MIGHT be of value. By that I mean IF the secondary stat is the highest stat between WIS, INT, and the secondary then the secondary stat is used and NOT WIS or INT. The three officially acknowledged Skills with secondary are Smithing with STR, Fletching with DEX, and Jewelcraft with DEX. However, there is currently debate over whether the DEX with JC is working. The other two are accepted as working.

[saraden]

I have been working on pottery recently and being a 250 tailor, I can say that skill-ups don't seem to have been brought in line with other tradeskills but have been made even rarer. I averaged a skill-up every 18.8 combines in tailoring between 190 and 250. Right now skill ups on pottery are much less than that. Now it may have been brought in line when comparing cost--since the combines in pottery are cheaper than in tailoring but the sheer number of combines is mind-numbing. Admittedly, pottery was too easy when you could go from 0 to about 130 on 50pp in less than two hours. However, the current state may have been an over-reaction.

One large trade-skill question that never seems to have answered at any fan faire is whether "hell levels" actually exist or more generally whether the chance of skill-up is constant over the course of a trade-skill or whether there are ranges that are tougher than others. Evidence and people's testimonies indicate that the chance varies or that certain types of combines have a greater chance for a skill-up than others. Maybe we could get an answer to this at the Las Vegas Fan Faire.

[Hastorow]

did 100 combines of star ruby encrusted stiens and didn't get a single skill up

[Rubra]

did 100 combines of star ruby encrusted stiens and didn't get a single skill up

ouch.. That is hard.. :?

I've seen bad tries, but never harder than 40 / 60 steins for a skill up.. ( and those star rubies don't come cheap.. )

But that for before the Pottery Nerf..( hehe..)

[Calabar]

My guild of a year and a half disbanded last week, so the last thing I felt like doing was battling for XP. The silence was far too deafening. So I decided to throw myself into some trade skills. Since I passed 200 in baking I could now work everything else up to 200. I put my trade skill equipment on and got a shot of KEI, brining my wisdom up to 255. I got my last point in brewing without any trouble. But then I needed to go from 194 to 199 in pottery. I stocked up on casserole dish supplies and went to work. OMG, I couldn’t believe how extreme the “fix” had been. I got my first point after 58 combines. My next skill up came 73 combines later. With a sigh of relief my next point came after only 18 combines. But then I had to do 194 combines for my next up and then my final point, 199 skill, came 214 combines later. Both my wrist and my anemic bank account are refusing to speak to me.

Granted, maybe I was just suffering from extreme bad luck, but personally I feel this was ridiculous. I’m no stranger to trade skills and I’ve never had a bad run like that with any other skill. I’m going to be making crucibles of escape for my last point. I just hope I don’t have to go through over 200 of them to get it. Though I must admit, it was a good distraction from the loss of my guild.

[Maevenniia]

OMG, I couldn’t believe how extreme the “fix” had been. I got my first point after 58 combines. My next skill up came 73 combines later. With a sigh of relief my next point came after only 18 combines. But then I had to do 194 combines for my next up and then my final point, 199 skill, came 214 combines later. Both my wrist and my anemic bank account are refusing to speak to me.

That’s an average of 111.5 combines per skillup…ouch.

Hmmm, I haven’t kept track of how many combines I have done so far since my last skill up, but I’m pretty sure I’m over 100 (star ruby steins & crucibles) since I’ve done at least 5 sessions of a stack per session…gah…”slight” adjustment, they said.

[Thorken]

I just have to add my 2 cp to this.
I do agree that the pottery nerf seems to be rather eextreme The difficulty of doing pottery now, seems to rival the difficulty of what tailoring used to be. I do agree that pottery was a bit too easy before the nerf. My little experience is relatively small compared to the others listed here.
I was attempting to raise my skill from 111 to 115 making pin tins. From all the other trade skills I've done, going 4 pts should not be difficult when down below about the 150 range. I got that number from doing smithing, fletching, brewing, and some tailoring. I was expecting that with 20 combines I would get the 4 pts I was looking for. I ended up getting zero pts. My Wis during this little run was 170, which is the highest I've had it to date while attempting skill ups. Just the other day I was able to get my brewing from 165 to 168 with a run of 20 combines. I would think a skill of 168 would be more difficult to reach than a skill of 115. And with that my wis was 163.
So, in short I think SOE needs to look at the nerf they did to pottery and consider un-nerfing it a bit.

[mystnife]

adding my 2cp also..

skilling up on star ruby steins currently, it took me 20 stacks and 5 loose star rubies over the last 2 months to go from 223 to 224..

thats:

(20 x 20) + 5 = 405 star rubies, at 68pp each

thats approximately 27.5kpp on star rubies alone for one skill point


on the bright side, it's only took 27 star rubies to go from 224 to 226 this week


i'm a rogue, with an 8 piece int gear tradeskilling suit my int sits at a heady 128.. (153 when i can get a kei)

they didnt nerf pottery from my point of view, they killed it, had a cleric rez it back then got a necro in to sac it a few times for good measure :)

[Yewanme]

Yes they have made pottery into a nightmare trade skill imo its not just about cost (although there is no way i can now even consider getting to GM in pottery). Who realy wants to spend as i did the other day 6 hours of combines for 3 skill ups ?!!! where is the fun or even sense of acomplishment in that ?

Yewanme

[Dvinn]

they didnt nerf pottery from my point of view, they killed it, had a cleric rez it back then got a necro in to sac it a few times for good measure

In total agreement. My 59 shaman was so looking forward to raising his pottery skill to the 230 range so he could make some neat focus items in PoP. After struggling so much in the 160's skill range I have given up and will focus now on smithing with my mage.

[Dorla]

I have easily done 200 combines, in different sessions, and not had any skillups in Pottery. Been at 206 forever, and will probably stay there. This is with 255 Wis, and sometimes other stats buffs from my fiancee's 53 shaman (because I'm DESPERATE, lol).

In similar news, I also have a 53 ranger who has worked on Fletching... in no time at all and very, very little money, she got to around 140 skill. However, when I did some pottery to try and work up skill for Thurgadin potions... 100 combines took her skill from 0 to 3, the first skillup being on the very first combine. I gave up right away. :( Pottery's much, much more time-consuming now.

Dorla

[Krystalsinger]

Ready to pull your hair out?

To get from 239 to 241 with an int just over 120, took me 1004 combines. Right now, I'm at 249 and have done 200 combines without the last gain. But I'm not worrying about it anymore. It was making me too mad.

[Wyloc Wormwood]

ok this is getting to be a joke now :shock:
with my tradeskill gear on and kei im at 265 wis so i should be getting skill up right? wrong. im at 220 pottery (the same as i was before the fix) and now 100 idols of EMarr, 60 white ceramic bands, 120 star ruby stiens, 20 crucibles of escape, 20 spirit stones/faithstones and lol lost count of the golden idols; and haven't had a skill up yet.
im waiting for them to gm message me... "Wyloc stop using /feedback pottery is working as intended!"

there isnt much you can get ya teeth into as a rogue when cant find a group, cant solo for toffee, and now the tradeskill i worked on from a wee lad to help his poison making gets the Fix. how much more plat do i bother to throw into my bottomless well of a potters wheel? or should i just not try anymore till they listen to my /feedbacks and do something about it?

[Gailedon]

I'm at 171 now, and while I seem to be having better luck than some of the rest of you it's still silly. 223 wisdom with KEI and it took 120 combines for 5 skillups. But then the last 40 combines happened without a single one :roll: . I'll update after I go whack on more kitties in stonebrunt for MQ pelts. (Got bored making the ceramic linings, I wish they were stackable) And the sellback on sealed poison vials is a LOT better than casserole dishes.

[Wyloc Wormwood]

ok knuckled under again spent 5k on white ceramic bands (263 wis with kei) and got 2 skill ups, woot it moves its not buged or broken. so ill stick with these till it trivs (im at 222 now) and keep tabs on howmany i do. grrr wish i was a chanter so i could make my own Cloudy mana :roll:

[K.Rool]

Something is going wrong there! I have skilled up to 191 before that Skill up "tweak" came. After then (believe me, 233 INT, i am sure on those numbers):

-between 260 and 280 (cannot remember that one stack) combines on casserole
-exactly 80 opal encrusted steins
-20 blue ceramic bands
-15 white ceramic bands

and i STILL have !NOT! got the 192th skill point!!! That's insane, seeing it is one skill point. And i need to get to 200+... WHERE should i get the time for that?

[Dvinn]

Has anybody skilled from 190-230+ after the "fix"? I ask because it seems impossible based on my own expreiences and those who posted here.

[Unmei]

I went from about 180 to 222 after the patch. (Unless there's been another patch since the "slight adjustment" patch) and it was slow and painful going, but I did get there. Int ranged from around 225 to 260 depending on what point in the work it was. Bear in mind that I was plodding away at this before the patch (got to 180 or so), and continued at it afterwards. I've never been really hardcore about it - I generally skilled up in runs of 20-60 combines, which generally netted 0-4 skillups. I had a really rough stuck point at 189, and another at 216, and now I seem to be gummed up again at 222, but that last is probably a result of me not doing as many combines... though I have done a few runs of Idols of Erolissi Marr without any success, in addition to various Star Ruby Steins, Faithstones, Spiritstones, and one Ceramic Rod of Storms.

So... it's a pain in the behind. But I've not done any other tradeskills past 26 ever, so I can't say how it compares.

[Forthofer]

Last week, I went from 188 to 199 making Casserole Dishes, at about 1.5pp per attempt. I averaged about 30 attempts per skillup. My Wisdom was 355.

[Deneldar]

Terminal lurker finally posts simply because pottery shocked me so much. Pottery is the last tradeskill I've done and is BY FAR the slowest yet.

I've only got 187, I have 280 WIS and 185-187 took something like 77 ceramic bands and 53 lined vials. Thats 130 combines for 2 skill ups at what I consider a fairly low level. Not sure I'm going to continue.

[squirrelbait]

My current int is 247 and from 188 to 201 it has taken me an avg of 33 combines per skill up. I have a druid with 255 Wisdom who does baking and his average per skill up is pretty similar. In both skills I've noticed that there can be long draughts with no skill ups and then multiple points close together. Currently have baking up to 235 and I would say they seem pretty similar to me as far as skill gains go.

Last night I went from 192 to 201 in pottery and certain points definitely take longer than others. Did a total of 300 combines for those skill gains and 120ish of those were to go from 194 to 195. I honestly didn't think I'd come close to 200 in the end let alone actually hitting 201.

The key though is to take a look at how long it takes you over several skill gains and not just from one to the next or even over just a couple.

The other thing is once you can start making something useful to sell(i.e. Tunare idols) I would just view skill ups as a bonus and not really focus on them unless you've got alot of cash to blow on power skilling. At 200 you should have pretty decent success on the idols to help fund the endeavor and if you just focus on skill gains then there's a good chance you'll get burnt out.

Sit back and enjoy the tradeskill itself and eventually you'll hit GM status.

Luyen
61 Virtuoso

[Pyne]

Ok, I thought it was just me, but after reading all these comments it appears that the "fix" that was applied to pottery was indeed extreme.

Why is it that when they modify something they go from one extreme, too easy, to the other, insanely hard?

[Unmei]

Verant has a long history of kneejerk overnerfs, going all the way back to the days when Whirl Til You Hurl was an abusively overpowered spell. Now it's one of the worst spells in the game. Yeeeee haaaaah!

[Vashanti]

All I want is to successfully make my Golden Idol of Bertoxxulous at 190 skill with my Geerlock. :roll:

[FizbitOnLuclin]

wish bertoxx worshiping gnome clerics could use that one as well /cry, well we can use the one to ak'kanon anyway.

[Brodybeard]

A little more data:

Yesterday, my druid started making poison vials with the 200 assorted pelts/skins/etc. she had collected.

166 to 168 --> 21 lined poison vial combinations
168 to 181 --> 179 sealed poison vial combinations

15 skill-ups from 200 combinations with a Wisdom of 200.

She's collecting another 200 assorted pelts/skins/etc. for her next run. :roll: