Gorthag's Guide to Pottery

[CaiserSoze]

Haven't run across any extensive up to date pottery guides, so figured I'd post over here what I wrote up for the guild.. =) Enjoy, hope this helps some folks out...

Gorthag's Guide to Pottery

In general, don't bother wasting your time firing items to resell to vendor -until you get over 200 skill, everything is extremely cheap, even assuming a very bad run, you can hit 199 skill on close to 1k plat (also, resale values are way lower than cost, making it pointless except on high cost combines). All of these recipes are done in standard pottery wheels, except where noted otherwise. This is the fastest, and cheapest way to hit 250, without trying to sell off hundreds of steins over the next 6 months. You will need a chanter friend/bot, and a cleric of Erollisi Marr, or a cleric that scribed Imbue Rose Quartz before deity restriction was applied to scroll (it does NOT affect those that already had the spell scribed)

Skill 1-36
Make Ceramic linings - lots of them =) Cost: about 1 gold per combine
Small block of clay + ceramic lining sketch + water

Skill 37-41
Large Clay Jars. Cost - about 1 gold per combine
block of clay + large jar sketch + water

Skill 42-82
Smokers. Cost - about 7 gold per combine
large block of clay + smoker sketch + water

Skill 83-102
Small bowls. Cost - about 1 gold per combine
small block of clay + bowl sketch + water flask

Skill 103-122
Medium bowls. Cost - bout 1.5 gold per combine
block of clay + medium bowl sketch + water flask

Skill 123 -148
Large bowls. Cost - about 2 plat per combine.
large block of clay + large bowl sketch + glass shard + water flask

Skill 149-199
Casserole dishes. Cost - just over 1 plat per combine
large block of clay + ceramic lining + casserole dish sketch + water

Note: if you have a large supply of old world pelts/skins, its a little faster and cheaper to do some lined poison vials (sealed are more costly than casseroles, so not worth it)
Skill 149-168
Lined Vial sketches. Cost - about 9 plat per combine.
Small block of clay + lined vial sketch + non ruined/LQ pelt/skin + water

Skill 200-222
Opal Encrusted Steins. Cost - about 18 plat per combine. Fire with HQ firing sheet in a Kiln, resale - about 3.5 plat each. Net cost is only a hair higher than the imbued idols, if you make your own celestial essence, and should yield a considerably higher success rate, and thus faster skill raising.
Large block of magic clay + ceramic lining sketch + water flask + celestial essence + lacquered opal (jewelcraft: lacquer+opal) + sculpting tools.

PoP Alternate if you have good supply of Tainted Planar Essence:
Skill 200-216
Unfired Planar Steins. Cost: about 11 plat per combine
Block of Tanaan clay + tainted planar essence + ceramic lining sketch
+ sculpting tools, combine in PoK pottery wheel

Skill 223-250
Imbued Idols of Erollisi Marr. Cost - about 14.5 plat per combine, no resale
Large block of magic clay + vial of clear mana + imbued rose quartz + sculpting tools + idol sketch

[Emelyn]

Skill 223-250
Imbued Idols of Erollisi Marr. Cost - about 14.5 plat per combine, no resale
Large block of magic clay + vial of clear mana + imbued rose quartz + sculpting tools + idol sketch


Have you tried this, or is this just conjecture?
If the gem cost to trivial level pattern is consistent on the imbued idols, these are going to trivial lower than 250. The peridot trivialed at 248, I had to move up to emeralds for the last 2 points (was just using gems I could imbue myself).

[Unmei]

Skill 42-82
Smokers. Cost - about 7 gold per combine
large block of clay + smoker sketch + water


Why? If you're just trashing all this junk anyway, there's no reason to spend 7 times as much cash making a smoker when you could just make a 1gp small bowl. Same chance of skill up, lower cost, and less chance of having to hit the destroy button on a successful combine. ;)

Oh... and I'm going to be doing the Erolissi Marr idol route as soon as my favorite Erolissi Marr cleric gets back (Aelorni! Where are you! :( ) so I may someday be able to provide info on a trivial...

[Padwen]

Skill 149-199
Casserole dishes. Cost - just over 1 plat per combine
large block of clay + casserole dish sketch + water



Lets not forget the annoying ceramic lining.

[CaiserSoze]

oops - missed a couple things in first writeup...


and yes, confirmed - Imbued Idols of E Marr are NOT trivial at 250 - double checked with my 250 potter today

[Valderon]

Note: if you have a large supply of old world pelts/skins, its a little faster and cheaper to do some lined poison vials (sealed are more costly than casseroles, so not worth it.


I have to argue with you on this one. I did Sealed Vials from 168 to 188. After I fired them I sold them back to vendor for 1pp9gp. So, the only thing you lose money on is the firing sheet, clay and water.(If you farmed the skins).

Also, you don't have that stupid middle step of making Non-stacking Ceramic linings. IMO I think the Vial route is the easier way to go to 188.

[Kellan]

My EQ-wife is a 250 potter, and she verified the E.Marr Idols are trivial > 250. Finally the gods have smiled on me for choosing E.Marr as my diety as I finish pottery. (Her having a L30 enchanter helps too!) 15pp per combine is much better than Star Ruby steins!

[Wandor]

Imbued Idols of Erollisi Marr. Cost - about 14.5 plat per combine, no resale

I can't find a single Erollisis Marr cleric on my server. Guess I will have to find another route, I am getting tired of SR steins, they are just too expensive.

[Cigarskunk]

Skill 1-36
Make Ceramic linings - lots of them =) Cost: about 1 gold per combine
Small block of clay + ceramic lining sketch + water

Skill 37-41
Large Clay Jars. Cost - about 1 gold per combine
block of clay + large jar sketch + water

Skill 42-82
Smokers. Cost - about 7 gold per combine
large block of clay + smoker sketch + water

Skill 83-102
Small bowls. Cost - about 1 gold per combine
small block of clay + bowl sketch + water flask

You broke the golden rule here - KiSS - Keep it Simple Stupid.

Since you aren't firing the results and you can't sell them, that means you've got to drop them on the ground or destroy them. Since with the exception of the smokers, the cost per combine 1gp, may as well just go straight to the small bowls so you've got more failures - less garbage to deal with.

[Xekl]

I can't find a single Erollisis Marr cleric on my server.

Humans are the only Clerics who can worship E.Marr so it's a good place to start.

/w human cleric 41 65 all

/tell <insert cleric name> pardon me, but is your deity E.marr?

That or go post a request on the cleric boards :)

Good luck.

[Wandor]

Since I was having problems finding an Erollisi Marr cleric, I just did a search for "imbued" in the bazaar and camp up with all kinds of imbued gems. The recipe for all of the idols is the same so any imbued gems you can come up with work just as well, although they may be a little more expensive than rose quartz.

In any case, just about any imbued gem + clear vial of mana is going to be cheaper than buying star rubies.

[Niteraptor]

First off, i'd do the white ceramic bands to 231 after opal encrusted steins (which triv at 222). They cost basically the amount of an opal and peridot per combine, and the only time consuming thing is making the cloudy mana.

There's lots of problems with the E.Marr Idols. It's very painfully time consuming.

A) Imbuing Gems (takes about 5 seconds per imbue)
B) Enchanting Clay (same, takes about 5 seconds per enchant)
C) Making Vials of Mana (see above)

Not only do you have to find a human cleric willing to do this for (which will cost you a little bit of money so they can profit all the time they are imbuing) But this takes three times as long as star ruby steins. With a geerlock, the steins don't fail *that* much i guess around 231. when fired they sell back to a vendor for 30ish pp, so on average you probably lose 50pp per combine. With 269 wis i'm going right now at about an average of a skillup every 80 combines since 210ish. I'm at 235 now and i'm definitely doing the home stretch (probably about 1000 combines) with star ruby steins. It's a much better option if you have the money to spare in my opinion, but if you don't mind spending literally weeks on getting the stuff for e.marr idols and want to save the money, by all means go ahead, I for one don't have the patience.

So basically do you want to take 1/3 or 1/4 the time for about 3 to 4 times as much money? It's your call :)

[Bartox]

1000 x 68 = 68,000 pp cost for star rubies.

/feels the pinch and winces

[Wandor]

So basically do you want to take 1/3 or 1/4 the time for about 3 to 4 times as much money? It's your call

I don't agree. It might be hard to find an Erollisi Marr cleric, but it is not hard to find imbued gems in the bazaar. It's also not hard to find vials of clear mana and blocks of magic clay in the bazaar. Last night, using only supplies I found in the bazaar I managed to get enough for 100 combines. I spent around 3500-4k plats getting everything together so I saved at least 2800pp on just the cost of star rubies. I also didn't have to spend any time making celestial essense or laquering gems so I was able to buy the ingredients and do all of the combines in the time it would normally take to just get the supplies ready to do SR steins. If you buy laquered gems and celestial essense the price goes up even more so the savings is even larger.

Incidently, I have noticed a much higher skill increase rate with idols than I have had with stiens. I made steins from 219-231 and I averaged a skill up around every 60 combines. I have done idols from 232-243 and I am getting a skill up about every 30 combines.

[Draggar]

I have to argue with you on this one. I did Sealed Vials from 168 to 188. After I fired them I sold them back to vendor for 1pp9gp. So, the only thing you lose money on is the firing sheet, clay and water.(If you farmed the skins).

Also, you don't have that stupid middle step of making Non-stacking Ceramic linings. IMO I think the Vial route is the easier way to go to 188.

I'd agree, for two reasons.
1) I'm a Rogue, and we need the vials (Poison, lined, and sealed) for Poison making.

2) If a merch is offering you 1.9PP for the sealed, sell them at the bazaar at 2.5PP to 3PP each (merchs usualy sell them for 3.5PP+ I think..). Rogues will swallow those up (high level poison making)...

I bought a stack of each type of vials:
Poison were ahout 25PP-30PP for the stack,
Lined were about 40-45PP for the stack,
Sealed were about 70-something PP for a stack...

Now, add on about 500PP for 1 stack of each type of suspension.. :shock:

I'll cut my costs anywhere I can now.. ;)

[Niteraptor]

Just got 250 Pottery last night :) and in reality it only took me 4 days to go from 0 to 250.

0 to 140something(i forgot) did normal recipes
Casserole Dishes to 199
Opal Encrusted Steins to 222
white ceramic bands to 231
star ruby encrusted steins to 250

overall i did have some very unlucky skillups, i lost about 100k doing this. It didn't take long, was just very expensive. at one point it too me like 800 combines to get 10 skill ups or something crazy like that.

[Dragnet]

overall i did have some very unlucky skillups, i lost about 100k doing this. It didn't take long, was just very expensive. at one point it too me like 800 combines to get 10 skill ups or something crazy like that.

That doesn't sound so crazy to me - as someone who GMed brewing before they made it easy - I remember streches of 300+ Minotaur hero brews without a single skill up. 800 for 10 sounds a real breeze.

[honeygram]

Ouch!! I really want to work on my skills but I don't have nearly the plat that some of you do. Maybe a silly question. My skill atm is about 102 or so. Do any pottery recipes slightly after this point make any plat back in the bazaar? I can't imagine there isn't a way to make money on this before 250. I don't mind putting money into this as long as I can make some of it back. Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

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[Melchiord]

Alternatively, you could use imbued (amber) cazic thule idols for most of 223+. Sure, they cost 1.5pp more.. but just sending a tell to an iksar/troll shaman is easier than finding that rare spawn EMarr cleric sometimes. :)

[Mendan]

It's mentioned here that imbued idols of E Marr are a viable way to skill up after 222. I looked up the recipe on the site (and Alla's) and it said idols use vials of distilled mana. Yet here the recipe is listed as using vials of clear mana. So which is correct? Since the difference is 14pp compared to 210pp, you can see why I would like to clear this up.

[Prizzle]

golden idol = distilled mana
imbued idol = clear mana

[Unmei]

I see the source of your confusion, little grasshopper. GOLDEN idols require distilled mana. Do not do these for skill ups unless you can sell them or have someone who wants one. IMBUED Idols are much less impressive, totally market dead (If there ever was a market, which I doubt) and MUCH cheaper - using only clear mana. Both of these items are in the recipe list, but the section for Golden Idols is much larger than the entry for imbued ones...

[Yalum]

I have a ton of imbued plains pebbles in the bank that I need to get rid of, but clear mana sells for 35 to 40pp each in the bazaar on Morell. With that kind of insane markup, I'll stick with steins. :roll:

[Velisaris]

After having gone through all of this on my way to 250 (I did it the hard way...opal steins then star ruby steins :D ), I would advise up and coming potters to bite the bullet and spend time farming heavy clay from muddites and skill up on crucibles of escape once they hit 200. The most expensive component is the lesser succor spell at around 5pp with good cha/faction, which puts the total cost well under 10pp per attempt; unless you spend the time to farm the components for the glue, you won't be able to resale them. However, even just selling 2 or 3 for 4-500pp will easily recoupe the cost. Crucibles trivial out in the 230s I believe.

[CloudWeaver]

There is one issue with using Crucibles of Escape for skill up's. You need to fish in Old Seb for the Koi and need to have a good fishing skill.

Reason I bring this up is I tried it last night and got 9 Heavy Clays and got 8 Unfired CoE's but where unable to find the Misty glaze in bazaar so I turned to farming the items.

I also PL'ed a Human Cleric to 29 to Imbue Rose Quarts(took ~4hr with my 62 druid in Sola) So now I'm torn between Imbued Idols and Ruby combines.

Ill try and post my results from 222-250

[Unmei]

You don't need the glaze to skill up on the Crucibles. The skill up part of the combine is the wheel part, not the kiln part (which seems like it is nearly always trivial at or around 19. =P ) So if you're willing to destroy your product... presto and stuff. Though frankly, I'd like to make a couple of these, so I guess I need to PL my fishing. Can I train that at a guild? =P

[Kazim]

Question to Velisaris & Cloudweaver who discuss using crucibles of escape for skillups and seems to indicate that getting heavy clay from muddites is the "bite the bullet" bottleneck.

I think you said you farmed the stuff for the glazing since you couldn't find it in the bazaar.

Where'd you get Sarcosypha fungus?? I've cleared the fungus men in guk/innothule a ton and the stuff seems to drop like 1 in 50 kills. At that pace, farming the fungus would be a MUCH worse bottleneck than the heavy clay. not glazing these things would be truly sad, since they are very useful after they're glazed.

Please, please, please reveal your fungus farming secret!!

Thanks.

[Velisaris]

Kazim,
You're not going to be farming the stuff for the glaze to skill up on crucibles (unless you're going to try and sell some). The glaze is used in the firing in the kiln and will always be trivial...thus the fungus and fish aren't needed :D . Simply making the crucible on the wheel is what I'm talking about, as a cheaper alternative to skilling up than steins. Of course, if you're thinking to try and make a profit WHILE skilling up, then...you're on your own...hehe.

[CloudWeaver]

I too wanted to pass a few Escape items to my Twinks. The Fungus can be found in Lfay as ground spawns. I try and head over there every time I have a free moment to see if I can find any. I use my overhead view to find the ground spawns in the mushroom patch.

Most I've found overthere where maybe 3 spawns but easier then killing Shrooms in other places.

Been busy in RL so I'm still at 216 Pottery.

[Kazim]

I do nice slow steady skillups. I even take the time to sell all the opal-encrusted steins from my skillups so far in the bazaar. The idea of making crucibles of escape and not firing them is sort of disturbing to me, though if the heavy clay drops frequently, I guess I'll probably go ahead and do this to save some cash. For those who've done this route, assuming you can clear the muddites as fast as they spawn, how many heavy clays per hour do you get (approx)?

[Obina]

Kazim

Heh heh so you are the one who flooded the Karana market with Opal Steins. I used to get 50pp for them, now I'm lucky to move them for 25.
By all means, switch to Heavy Clay farming :)

Obina
Cleric of the 52nd Light
Potter of the 222nd Dirty Hand

[Kazim]

Ha! Nope, I'm on Drinal. My druid worships Karana (for imbuing planes pebbles) which is the confusion. I used to get 50pp each also, but someone has been selling them for 35pp recently, which I matched. Still let's me break even, which is nice.

[Samoht]

You guys are lucky.
On BB, I've seen them for 15pp! some for 25pp, and some for 35pp, but they never sell.

I used to sell for 45pp all the time.
Gonna make a batch soon and try to sell at 45pp again.
Server has been crazy lately and I havent seen any for sale.
Hopefully, no one else is making them anymore. :P

[Velisaris]

Wow...35pp for an opal stein...hehe.

I remember when the recipes first hit and I was selling them for 250pp a pop (that's for ONE stein). 8)

[Unmei]

They hover in the 20-30 zone on Lanys, and my own price wobbles all over the place depending on what the competition's price is, and how many they have to sell. I did the create/destroy method of planar steins to 216 though, so my fail rate on opals was darn low, and even at ~20 plat, I was just about breaking even (Since I'm an enchanter and can magic up my own clay and whatnot)

But heck... once upon a time, I paid 300 for one of the darn things. And ironically never even used it. It just seemed like a good gear option at the time.

Aaaanyway... skill 222 is mine! No more opal steins! *does the happy dance*

[Velaraa]

Skill 1-36
Make Ceramic linings - lots of them =) Cost: about 1 gold per combine
Small block of clay + ceramic lining sketch + water

Its a waste to do these until after 26, claw/water mixture trivials at 26 and is just the small block of clay and flask. Overall i give this guide a 2 out of 5, sorry should come back and edit it though to reflect better methods.

[Sunfire]

For those without a lot of cash, I've made it from 199 to 215 in a semi-reasonable amount of time alternating between combines of golden idol of tunares (the skill up rate is better than you'd think even at 199+geerlock) and opal steins. You'll make money on the idols and minimize your losses on the steins and be able to skill up without a lot of seed money - although its much slower.

[Cuthul Paindancer]

Im curious,

Why arent ceramic bands considered for skill ups?

Unfired they sell back for about 5pp and change... and I used to sell them at 1500 each, in days gone by... long past.

[Unmei]

Because, in general, Ceramic bands are more expensive than the alternatives. If you do the math:

Green Ceramic Band: Lacquered Emerald (13 plat) + Cloudy Mana (11 plat) + Celestial Essence (~1.5 plat if you buy the components) = 25.5 plat per attempt. Trivial: 222.

Opal Encrusted Stein: Lacquered Opal (17 plat) + Celestial Essence (1.5) = 18.5 plat per attempt. Trivial: 222

And while I can't speak for sellback value to merchants on most ceramic bands, both fired and unfired white ceramic bands (did some with my leftover lacquered opals =P ) sell to a merchant 1 silver, 1 copper. Bleh.

[Sethlic]

Just wanted to say thanx for the guide
It has served me well. I am currently at 215 doing the unfired stiens.
On my server no one has any idea what these are for so they don't sell.
But I'm not in this for the profit...yet?
One question though. Why not use plains pebbles till 242 on the last item?

[K.Rool]

191 Skill, close to 400 combines without ever getting 191 skill...does the RNG hate me, or what?

[EnragedFilia]

because, on a scale of ways to get components:
buying>foraging

even if you consider that karana imbuers are much easier to find (oops, did i step on you again?) than emarr imbuers, it's generally easier to spend a few silver on a gem than try to forage it.

of course there are other ways to get pebbles, like buying them in the bazaar at an outrageous markup, which of course defeats the purpose of using pebbles to begin with.

[Sethlic]

in rebutal :twisted:
Ever try to find a erolsi mar cleric on fenin ro?
I do better sittng in the karanas fishing for storm salmon than finding one, let alone finding one who has even bought the spell.

[Unmei]

Well, the spell is readily available to anyone who's not KoS in North Freeport for not really all that much money, so if you keep running into people who don't have it, maybe you should buy a copy or two. ;)

[Aquila Swiftspirit]

Mendan,

I think you may have looked at the "golden idol" rather than an imbued idol. I've done that more than once...

[Sethlic]

Lol I have a copy of the spell.
lol I have had a copy o fthat spell for ow maybe two months.
The one erolsi mar cleric I found didn;t have time so I didn't give em the spell :twisted:

[Niami DenMother]

Gorthag?

Would you mind if I snagged this for the site? If you don't mind, are there any further edits you want to do to it before it goes up?

~Mum the sleepwalking

[Buter]

PoP Alternate if you have good supply of Tainted Planar Essence:
Skill 200-216
Unfired Planar Steins. Cost: about 11 plat per combine
Block of Tanaan clay + tainted planar essence + ceramic lining sketch
+ sculpting tools, combine in PoK pottery wheel

Did 247 combines from 200-216 on these at 263 wisdom with geerlok.

Buter

[Chaid]

>> Unfired Planar Steins. Cost: about 11 plat per combine &lt;&lt;

If you farm your own essence then this holds true. However, if you vendor mine for it, add another 6p to each combine. At that point it's almost equivalent to opal encrusted steins in price. If you're going to go from 200-216 on these, expect to buy around 500 tainted planar essence (an avg of ~30 combines per skill point).

I'm personally a fan of unfired planar steins because (1) you don't have to lacquer gems,(2) you don't have to make CE and (3) you don't have to imbue clay.

[Unmei]

I agree - 16 plat for an unfired planar stein is still a few plat cheaper than an opal encrusted one (16 plat or so, vs around 20) plus you don't have to fail on lacquering gems, increase your carpal tunnel by making essence, or spend too **** long enchanting clay.

It's not like you're not going to do tons of opal steins as it is...

[Thordon]

Just a couple of questions...

Why is Erollsi Marr used for the imbued idols, Im a druid of Tunare and can imbue my own Emeralds, which also produce idols that trivial at 250+, are star rose quartz the cheapest?

And should I level up JC to laquer my own gems? I have to find an enchanter to enchant the clay and summon the vials anyway, would it be better to ask them to do it instead, assuming they do JC (as a lot of enchanters do).

Thanks in advance

Thordon Treeguardian
60 Druid of Tunare (36 AA)
205 Pottery

[Anlashok]

Yes, it's all about the money. A stack of star rose quartz cost me 21pp while a stack of emeralds costs 273pp. What's nice for me is I only need a cleric to imbue the gems. Got my own chanter for mana vials, enchanting clay. and lacquering. Only problem is that it takes forever to make the mana vials. Even with c3 my lowly 34 chanter took several hours to make the clear mana vials.

Could make 7 vials before going oom, sit for 15 mins and start over. Ok, did some quick math and at that rate it's just over 6 hours to make 8 stacks of clear mana vials with my chanter using c3 the whole time. Then there's the 8 stacks of clay to enchanter, /cry.

[Thordon]

Thanks for the info :), It would probably be a lot easier just to ask a high level LFG enchanter to do the vials/clay, 6 hours is crazy :(

[Reflan]

Definitely get JC up to cut costs on lacquering gems. You can lose a lot of money lacquering gems.

JC costs almost nothing to get to about 190, and right around there you can actually make money selling back the combines. From there to 200 can cost a couple K to hit 200. That's as far as I've taken it so far. But till about 190 it took almost no cash. I used Gunthak's site, using the cheap and slow setting, to guide my skill-ups.

Anyway, pottery is 246 now after doing many many opal encrusted steins and star ruby steins -- sooo many hundreds I filled up two accounts worth of mules and a bunch of mules on my friends' accounts too -- serious numbers. And I lost a LOT of money lacquering star rubies at 68pp each. LOTS.

By the way, I eventually wound up destroying hundreds of opal steins. I sold hundreds more; wish I would have kept every last one I made.

[artbrann]

ask around in the OLD clerics, I was grumbeling in guild that I needed to find the one E.Marr cleric on Rallos to imbue star rose quartz and the dorf err dwarf swore he had the spell, so I had him cast it, it asked for a star rose quartz

before the scrolls became deity restricted a lot of clerics did get them, who knows you might already know a couple, and they never nerfed the ones already scribed

[Hallace111]

Can someone please tell me where I can buy a Casserole Dish Sketch.

Hal

[Aelf]

Hal,

You can look on the trade supplies area (by skill):

http://www.eqtraders.com/location/pottery.htm

Jaggedpine has casserole sketches at the karana outpost (the zonein area from Surefall Glade) and at the Brell Gnoll bank (in the same caves as the zonein from Blackburrow.) Your faction should be ok with at least one of these groups.

There is also a nearby banker to each vendor, so you can buy plenty. My wizard prefers to do pottery in Halas, so it is not a bad trip from the gnoll area.

Happy tradeskilling,

Aelf

[Colino]

I have to argue with you on this one. I did Sealed Vials from 168 to 188. After I fired them I sold them back to vendor for 1pp9gp. So, the only thing you lose money on is the firing sheet, clay and water.(If you farmed the skins).

Also, you don't have that stupid middle step of making Non-stacking Ceramic linings. IMO I think the Vial route is the easier way to go to 188.

I agree with you, however does the time spent farming the skins not negate the time spent making the Ceramic Linings?

I've been stuck at 180 or so and not sure whether or not i should continue to do the Dishes or try and farm for skins/pelts.

[Morani]

Colino, I'd farm the pelts/skins. Chances are that you can get all you'll need with one sweep though the Karana's and Commonland's merchants. I've seen LOTS of hands on support for the idea that the closer you are to the trivial the faster the skill-ups come. As close as you are, I'd say that you could trivial vials with as little as 2.5 stacks of combines (depending on INT and the whim of the RNG). As an example, I did patty melt till triv. from 148 in 640 combines. That's an average of 14.88 combines per point. With the last stack of combines, I got FIVE skill ups. I know that's high but even then I would not have been at all surprised with 3 because that's what I've come to expect. (I also got lucky in that my last combine to work with before having to travel to JP again netted me my 191.)

[Tanul]

Is is supposed to be like this? I'm at 171 skill. I did the Lined Vials to get to 168, then because it takes too long to do casserole dishes, I decided to do planar steins til 216. I spent 3k on tainted planar essence, did 250 combines, and got 3 skill raises. Is that normal?

[Brodybeard]

Is is supposed to be like this? I'm at 171 skill. I did the Lined Vials to get to 168, then because it takes too long to do casserole dishes, I decided to do planar steins til 216. I spent 3k on tainted planar essence, did 250 combines, and got 3 skill raises. Is that normal?
Just bad luck.

Don't hate me, but last week my druid did just 40 combinations of planar steins and went from 206 to 209.

[Krazick]

As others will tell you... the higher you go in getting skills, the harder the skill ups become.

There are various theories, and mind they are just theories (no proofs have surfaced), that it is easier to get a skill up when closer to the trivial level.

A less expensive way would be to work on the Casserole Dish to 199. Yes, there is only one place to buy the sketch... and the ceramic linings are a pain... but more (but not all) of this stuff stacks now. So it is less painful.

[Sethlic]

Your guide has done well. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. I do believe I saw a request from Den Mom to post it on the main site. Are you gonna allow her to do this?

[Tanul]

Buying the casserole sketches aren't the problem - I bought like 200 of them. It's the **** ceramic linings that are the problem. Unstackable **** - it adds like hours to the time it would normally take me to do a few 100 combines.

[KyrosKrane]

Fired ceramic linings are now stackable, though for some odd reason the unfired ones still don't stack. So, spend a bit of time making a few stacks of linings ahead of time, and you're all set.

[Tanul]

Sweet - Thanks.

[Rhumba]

Well I've broken down on Tunare and am leveling up an EMarr Cleric for this... I'm up to 22 so far.

Is there any real reason to not move to EMarr steins right away at 200 rather than doing Opal steins prior. I'm not going to keep two merchants up to sell the steins. :)

Rhumba Kween
250 Smith on Tunare

Archy
250 Jeweler on Tunare
199 Potter on Tunare